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Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 02:44 pm, Noel Leaver wrote:
Hmm, how would he know they'd been transferred if he didn't join? I believe he would have to give an exact location of (link to) the "offending" material before he could request a DMCA action. And as was mentioned, if the archives are set to private, he could only do that by joining. DMCA gets abused a lot, but has very specific instructions for use. Duane |
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Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo
Noel,
His reply was it was our problem not his to delete them, he had noTechnically he's right that it isn't his job to delete them. However I think at that point I might have shrugged and let him file the request. I would also, as a courtesy to Mark, let him know about the situation and see if he would mass-delete the person's messages (or omit them during transfer). A half-dozen clicks per message is too much for deleting them manually. Perhaps a feature to request would be to show moderators a button or link in the "All Posts By This Member" search results that allows a moderator to delete them all. But oh, what a terrible axe to have at hand. Shal |
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Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo
¿ªÔÆÌåÓý> Does the new group work well for you? ? Noel |
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Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo
You could have just given him a certain number of days to delete his postswith the understanding that any that are left get transferred and after that, he would have to contact io tech support to see about taking down the rest of their messages. Or, he/she could join the io group and delete the rest.We offered him both those options. His reply was it was our problem not his to delete them, he had no intention of joining the new group, and he would issue a DMCA takedown request immediately if we did transfer any of his postings. I believe he did not want the group transferred and was trying to stop it happening. Noel |
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Control over Photo section
The photos on the previous version of our group on Yahoo were a complete mess so I was not too bothered about taking them across to io groups. But I'd hoped io might have better facilities for controlling the uploading of photos to prevent photos on the new group getting into the same state, but the improvements seem only marginal. The following are some observations and wishes from what I have tried (perhaps I've missed something).
A moderated user is allowed to upload photos - surely this is a bug? I can see moderating uploads of photos would be a lot of work, but at least disallow uploads when the user is moderated. I want to restrict creation of new albums to moderators, but allow postings to some albums. I hoped setting "moderators can upload, users can view" at the group level and "Group access" at the album level would achieve this, but it does not allow users to upload to the album - I feel it ought, else the "Group access" option is meaningless when the overall setting is "only moderators can upload". Alternatively, a new "Only moderators can create albums" setting, but I don't like that as much. The big change I would like is to be able to set up sub-albums. I would like setting up of albums at the top level to be able to be restricted to moderators, and for each of these albums to have a setting controlling the creation of sub-albums: moderators only; users can create with group access; users can create sub-albums with personal access (i.e. only they (and moderators) can upload). For the present I've disallowed uploading photos, as the facility to post photos embedded in a message caters for a lot of cases and is searchable, but eventually I would like to be able to allow uploading photos. Noel |
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Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo
David,
Just a quick addition to Shal's remarks. My group's transferredThat sounds like just the ticket. With a downloaded copy of the transferred messages it should be possible to write a simple program that extracts the corresponding numbers. Or do that by access to the archive online - depending on your tools. Then another filter to update the file given that list of corresponding message numbers. Shal |
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Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo
Sarah,
Not many messages would have been deleted but enough to throw theI don't work for Groups.io, so I can't speak to what's possible. For that you'd need to contact [email protected] - but it sounds like David has you covered for some of the technical details. Shal |
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Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo
Hi Sarah,
Just a quick addition to Shal's remarks.? My group's transferred messages contains a special header field called "X-Yahoo-Msgnum" that should correspond to the original Yahoo message id. Hopefully we can figure out how to use that to help match files to links to the transferred messages. We would need to figure out how to create an automated script to do it, but hopefully that's doable. It's also possible to download the archives of a Groups.io group. That also might help automate the process. The trick will be to be sure that we can correctly match the Yahoo ID to the Groups.io message number that is used to reference the message. We may need some help from the Groups.io support people. I'm hoping that we can convince them to do a trial transfer of your group so we can work things out in advance. You won't need to post your file here, since I am also a member of your group. The file in question contains links corresponding to Yahoo message numbers. The only technical problem is the matching that I discussed above. David. |
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Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo
Noel,
... but one objected strongly to any of his posts being transferred,There's one in every crowd. We decided it was not worth the risk of trying to transfer postings -I Am Not A Lawyer, but - so what? As a matter of courtesy to objecting members I would probably delete their messages after the transfer. Or if there's too many of them inquire about a way to do that in bulk. But as to DMCA threats... My understanding of the DMCA safe harbor provisions is that curing such a notice is as simple as deleting the messages. Too, if your group's messages are not public I'm not sure that DMCA even applies; but that's a subtlety where a lawyer might have a field day. Mark did give some consideration to this topic when first setting up the group transfer process. His conclusion was that he'd handle the DCMA take-down notices if and when they happen. Shal |
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Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo
Sarah,
c) for that particular file, whether it could be re-downloaded withAs I said, I don't think you can rely on them being the same numbers. Depending on how many messages are involved it might not be too difficult to set up a table (in Excel or similar) that maps the Y!Group numbers to the I/O group numbers. I would expect discontinuities wherever a Y!Group message had been deleted prior to the transfer. If you think any of the other owner/moderators would have furtherYou just did. I was referring to the other members of GMF. ;-) Shal |
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Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo
¿ªÔÆÌåÓý> My particular question is whether all this data gets transferred and in particular the following; ? A word of warning. I wanted to transfer a fairly large group with nominally over 3000 members (though far fewer active ones). When I proposed this almost all members were in favour, but one objected strongly to any of his posts being transferred, claiming copyright, and said if we did transfer them he would issue a DMCA takedown notice on io groups. ? We decided it was not worth the risk of trying to transfer postings - even if we had been able to filter out postings from that person someone else might later have objected. So we decided to leave all the messages and photos on Yahoo as an archive and start with an empty group on io groups. ? Noel |
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Re: Transfer of files Qu from yahoo
Sarah,
One files contains a large number of headings and under each heading,I would guess that the file itself will transfer ok. However the links in it would not be automatically updated - they would continue to point to the Yahoo Group's archive. Moreover, I don't think that the transfer process guarantees that messages get the same number in the Groups.io group that they had in the Yahoo Group. So manual or programmatic updating of the links might not be a simple substitution of one link format for another. I can send details of the list and the file section if it helps.You may, if you don't mind that information posted publicly (GMF's archives are open to the public). Some of GMF's otehr members may have experience to relate about transferring groups with lots of files or large files. I myself haven't done that. Another resource would be [email protected] - to get details on authority. Shal |
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Re: Anyone experiencing Lag while make a post?
Scott,
I wrote: So, I can imagine a few factors that may be relevant:I was thinking, and it isn't the raw bits-per-second rate that likely matters. Rather the round-trip time for a message to sent from your browser to the site, the site to process it, and the response to come back to your browser. This unfortunately is seldom measured or revealed. And can be hard to measure because it is usually even more variable than the effective bit rate. DSLReports includes a "bufferbloat" measurement, which is a measure of how badly your average trip-time is impacted by streaming data. Often the answer is: severely. The also have a ping test which is a direct measurement of latency in your data connections: The quality of your internet service matters, of course, but another factor, often overlooked, is the age and quality of your home router. Not too long ago I replaced an aging DSL-class router with one geared for higher transaction performance - it made a world of difference on a bunch of sites, particularly modern sites that tend to cram a lot of stuff onto each page. I don't think Groups.io's pages are overstuffed (far from it) but the HTML editor could be particularly sensitive to transaction latency (round-trip time) if it is communicating with Groups.io's server on every keystroke. Shal |
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Groups.io site updates
#changelog
Hi all,
This week's change log: Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change. * Work on upgrading search to new software and new indices. I'm in a state of high anticipation. I'd love to see a really good search/filter capability for all areas, but especially messages. One of the annoying issues with the current search feature is that you can't turn off the word root matching when you know the exact word or phrase you want to find. If it would even prioritize (list first) the exact matches it would be better I'm also in a state of dread, because I've seen so many poor search features. A million ways to do it poorly. * Allowing CSS font-family declarations in archive messages. This fixed a bug I'd noticed: font selections made while composing a message were shown in the resulting email, but not when viewing the message in the group's messages page. Comments about these others are also welcome: * INTERNAL: Work on the API. * SYSADMIN: Updated Elasticsearch nodes. * BUGFIX: Replies in groups with a subdomain from the All Threads view were broken. * CHANGE: Changed all split dropdowns to 'normal' dropdowns. * INTERNAL: Doing commits more often in the cleaner cronjob to avoid shared memory issues with the database. Please call out any you find significant. Shal |
Duane
Shal Farley
Noel Leaver
David Andrews