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Re: Anyone experiencing Lag while make a post?
J_Catlady
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J Sent from my iPhone On Jun 7, 2017, at 7:57 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote: |
Re: Anyone experiencing Lag while make a post?
J,
That was not my point. This issue doesn't apply to me.Instead of "you", read that as "one". I was surmising here that the lag problem reported by other peopleI understood that. I was assisting in that effort by listing places where one can enter text without using the new (TinyMCE) editor. In Plain Text mode the New Topic and Reply composition boxes are such places. In fact they are particularly good test cases as they are in the same page context as the new editor would be - a minimal difference comparison (very few differing conditions other than being the new editor or not). Shal |
Re: Anyone experiencing Lag while make a post?
J_Catlady
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:45 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
If you go to the Preferences in your Account you can change your Post Preference from HTML to Plain Text. Then your Reply (or New Topic) composition box will be a plain text form control rather than an iframe from the TinyMCE editor. That was not my point. This issue doesn't apply to me. I was surmising here that the lag problem reported by other people here may be caused by the new editor, and was guessing that could be tested if those people type some form of data entry on the site that does not go through the editor. |
Re: I'm liking the new editor, not so much
J,
My point here ... is that this editor is very buggy.I've updated the description of Blockquote's buggy behavior on the Wiki page: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-composition-tips-and-tricks I haven't reproduced and don't have a characterization for the two-Enter problem nor for the laggy behavior others have seen. Someone who can is invited to add their observations to the Quirks section of that page -- as well as report details to [email protected] in hopes of getting them fixed. Or any other quirks/bugs anyone may have encountered. Shal |
Re: Anyone experiencing Lag while make a post?
J,
My bet is still on the new editor. Shal, is there anything inIf you go to the Preferences in your Account you can change your Post Preference from HTML to Plain Text. Then your Reply (or New Topic) composition box will be a plain text form control rather than an iframe from the TinyMCE editor. Something simple like typing a string into the search box?That, the edit box for your signature on your Subscription page, the description field when you create an event in the Calendar, the Description field when you edit a photo, a Paragraph field in a Database table. Undoubtedly some others. Something else that _does_ use the TinyMCE editor is Wiki page creation or editing (if in HTML format). That might be a useful double-check. Shal |
Re: Anyone experiencing Lag while make a post?
J_Catlady
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 09:12 pm, manowarplayer wrote:
I'm seeing it on my Group's page whenever I'm starting or replying to a post. My bet is still on the new editor. Shal, is there anything in groups.io that takes input from the user but doesn't use the editor? Something simple like typing a string into the search box? Scott, does it happen if you type a long phrase into the message search box? |
Re: Anyone experiencing Lag while make a post?
I'm seeing it on my Group's page whenever I'm starting or replying to a post. There isn't a problem with lag in any other way on my computer on any other site. As a matter of fact, as I got to the second sentence in this reply, the lag started up again.
Scott |
Re: I'm liking the new editor, not so much
J_Catlady
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 08:00 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
The only bug" in useful software is as unlikely as Shal, |
Re: I'm liking the new editor, not so much
J_Catlady
And the icon's hover description is "blockquote." Here is a definition of blockquote:
In HTML and XHTML, the?blockquote?element defines "a section [within a document] that is quoted from another source". The syntax is <blockquote><p>blockquoted text goes here</p></blockquote> . The?blockquote?element is used to indicate the quotation of a large section of text from another source. |
Re: I'm liking the new editor, not so much
J,
Its icon is a quotation mark. It's not "indent text." It isYes, it creates the HTML code for a blockquote. That was never in question. But the fact is that it fails to work as expected on its ownAbsolutely. But until your last message I hadn't figured out how to reproduce it. That's why I was describing the difference between what you were doing and what I had done. Also, my way provides you a work-around until it gets fixed. I've sent my observations into Mark at the support address. Hopefully that will assist him in fixing it. I think what happened is that the code that inserts a quote automatically when you select part of the original message and then click reply (and also the Quote Whole Post function) has some code leftover from the prior editor that is tripping up the new editor. Shal |
Re: I'm liking the new editor, not so much
J_Catlady
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 05:34 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I've never been trying to copy and paste additional material from the original message. Its icon is a quotation mark. It's not "indent text." It is specifically INTENDED to create quotations! It may or may not fail to work as expected on text quoted *from elsewhere*, for various reasons including, as you mentioned, possible formatting coming from elsewhere. But the fact is that it fails to work as expected on its own internally created text is a bug by my definition. |
Re: I'm liking the new editor, not so much
J,
It works for the first instance (the case of selecting and copying text makes it appear automatically, and indented, at the top of the response, as it did here), but nowhere afterwards without all kinds of futzing around.Ok, thanks for saying that. Now I see the problem. I hadn't ever selected part of the original message before clicking Reply. I'd always clicked Reply then Quote Whole Post. The result differs in one significant way: I've never been trying to copy and paste additional material from the original message. That means I (generally) don't need to use the Blockquote button within a message. the quick brown foxNope. But not fair since that was a quote. jumped over the lazy dogThe quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog. Still no. the quick brown foxNot sure what's going on there, but not my experience. I did see one thing that will probably help Mark, if he can fix it: the message body typed by the user gets surrounded by a paragraph element. The whole body, with all of its lines and paragraphs within it. But not the top-posted quote, if any. I think that surrounding paragraph element is what causes the Blockquote button to quote the whole message body. Shal |
Re: I'm liking the new editor, not so much
Dano,
You should be more specific when you refer to word processors.Duly noted. I'll have to confess that the vast majority of my experience with word processors has been MS Word. With a smattering of LibreOffice (which is an MS-office work-alike, so that's not really different). And back in the dim ages some desktop publishing software such as Ventura Publisher (later Corel Ventura). Shal |
Re: I'm liking the new editor, not so much
J_Catlady
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 04:25 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
here you're working with quoted material (my text). Shal, |
Re: I'm liking the new editor, not so much
Where else but in a word processor does a single Enter cause aYou should be more specific when you refer to word processors. In WordPerfect, Enter gives a simple line break. That people use Word as a standard is just a sad situation caused years ago by deception on the part of M$ to sell their own second class software and push out competitors. YMMV. Dano |
Re: I'm liking the new editor, not so much
J,
Yes, all of those behave as expected. You don't have to hit "return"Intriguing. In that case I don't think I know what you mean by hitting return twice. My mental picture: starting with an empty box, type "ABC[Enter]123". The result I expect is: ABC 123 With no blank line between. To get a blank line (paragraph break) between them I'd have to hit Enter twice. Everywhere but in a word processor; and there it isn't really a blank line, it is a paragraph separation with whatever vertical spacing is specified by your paragraph styles. No, it's not already fixed or it wouldn't have done it to me againHm, but here you're working with quoted material (my text). And yes I've had trouble in that circumstance. But starting with a blank page and just typing one's own text it seems better behaved. I haven't done much testing with quoted material. Shal |
Re: I'm liking the new editor, not so much
J_Catlady
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 02:51 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
How about any software or web site other than a word processor? Don't get me wrong. I had no love for the former editor. ?But this one is worse. J |
Re: I'm liking the new editor, not so much
J,
I'm not referring to quoted matter, and after reporting this bug toInteresting. I didn't need to do that in my test earlier or just now. Maybe it is already fixed? Line 1 Line 2 Line 3 Put the cursor in line 2 (or select that whole line) and click Blockquote. I get: Line 1 Line 2Line 3 And I do NOT expect to have to hit "return" twice to get a blankHow about any software or web site other than a word processor? Say Gmail. Say Yahoo Mail. Say Thunderbird. Say Yahoo Groups. Where else but in a word processor does a single Enter cause a paragraph break? I've run into a few, but far and away most ordinary text entry forms I've used treat Enter as a line break. Shal |