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Re: Over-quoting versus under-quoting

 

Jim,

I think the "over-quoting/piggybacking" controversy and the
under-quoting policy is one of those things of personal preference
like top posting versus bottom posting.
And like top versus bottom posting, it is often strongly related to the default behavior of one's email interface. By which I mean that many users don't bother to do something better than the default.

In Groups.io under-quoting (non-quoting, actually) is often related to replying online via the Reply link in the group - where the default action by the site is no quoting. Early on I argued strenuously (and unsuccessfully, in beta) that this default would be acceptable only if the display of a Topic were hierarchical, or otherwise directly revealed the message this one is "In-Reply-To". An indented list or other hierarchy is often used in web forums; even Yahoo! Groups classic had its own take on it:
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Conversely, over-quoting (infinite bottom-quoting, actually) is often related to replying via email.

There does need to be a balance and I do not see that. In fact, I see
very little moderator coaxing to strike a balance. There seems to be
more of a tendency to chastise those that over-quote but no mention is
made to those that under-quote or do not quote at all.
If you mean this moderator, that's because over-quoting is so much easier to correct while pending. Correcting a no-quote is so much work I may have done it only once. And then only because the message content was important in context.
/g/GroupManagersForum/message/8154

On the other hand, coaxing in the form of message rejection might not be such a bad thing for egregious cases.

Shal


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Re: Failed to send invite to member

 

I didn't use this - the members email is @bigpond.com; this is the error I got sending from email client
Re: Message History

 

Hi

To start with, here are basic instructions - on the GMF wiki.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Deleting%20attachments,%20files%20and%20photos

And more -?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Managing-Attachments%2C-Files-and-Photos

Frances
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Re: Message History

 

You should be able to delete attachments from the messages. I don't
know if "inline" pictures are handled as attachments or not on this
platform. If they are you can delete those but not as a bulk operation
(unless perhaps you have a premium group--those have some features the
basic free groups don't have access to).

Someone else here should know as some have done extensive testing in
test groups and someone surely has information on how pictures in an
email are handled here and if they can be deleted as an attachment or
if the message needs to be deleted to get rid of the picture.

Donald


On Wed, 28 Aug 2019 00:45:00 +0000 (UTC), "Lavon via Groups.Io"
<lavon725@...> wrote:


The group I'm talking about is a tag group with images in the email. These are like photos and we don't want them to build up to much so should we be deleting them?

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Re: Time zone is wrong

 

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 08:33 PM, Bob Tabak wrote:
Hi - I am a member of a group.? The time zone has been set for the wrong time zone since I joined but I don't know how to change it.?
It's entirely possible for subscribers to a single group to be scattered across the globe. It is thus each subscriber's responsibility to correctly set up his own time zone.

You can change your own time zone at?/account?page=prefs. This makes it possible for a calendar event to initially be set up in (say) EDT by someone in New York and display at the correct time in PDT for someone in Los Angeles.

In theory, anyway, that's how it's supposed to work.

Hope this helps,
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Re: Time zone is wrong

 

Bob,

Have you checked your subscription? Left menu on your group.?
You can set your time zone there.?
Also in the calendar, if you scroll down, there is a dropdown menu for setting the time zone.

If it isn't working properly, then you could report it. You might try the Beta group (in Groups.io) which Mark monitors.


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Re: Message History

Lavon
 

The group I'm talking about is a tag group with images in the email. These are like photos and we don't want them to build up to much so should we be deleting them?

In a message dated 8/27/2019 5:33:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, donhellen@... writes:

Lavon . . .

On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 22:51:00 +0000 (UTC), "Lavon via Groups.Io"
<lavon725=[email protected]> wrote:

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>Should we be clearing out the message history in our group?


Messages don't count toward your storage limit. Unless there's been a
change, the following are what are counted towards the storage limits
for your group:
? Files
? Photos
? Images in databases
? Images in wiki pages
? Message attachments
Messages themselves are not counted towards the storage limits, only
any attachments.

Donald


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Time zone is wrong

Bob Tabak
 

Robert Tabak?<rtabak50@...>
Fri, Aug 23, 10:13 AM (4 days ago)
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Hi - I am a member of a group.? The time zone has been set for the wrong time zone since I joined but I don't know how to change it.? Meetings, etc entered as EDT (correct) are changed to PDT on my calendar.? Same for times for messages being posted. Our group administrator did not know why this happened or how to fix it.
Re: Message History

 

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Hi Lavon,

Personally, I find the *message history* the point of having a group :)
It gives me a way to see how we have grown. It reminds me of the stuff we used to flap about and now have solved. ?Lots of good stuff.

Kathleen

On Aug 27, 2019, at 4:51 PM, Lavon via Groups.Io <lavon725@...> wrote:

Should we be clearing out the message history in our group?

If so how do we do it instead of one at a time??
Lavon

Kathleen DesMaisons, Ph.D.

This is Grace unfolding, you are?not alone.
Re: Message History

 

Hi Lavon

I find the message history a valuable archive. There is a search engine too.
In a couple of my groups which are for volunteer committees, it means I don't have to use my email inbox to save the emails. All safe and tidy in my Groups.io.

Frances
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Re: Message History

 

Lavon . . .

On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 22:51:00 +0000 (UTC), "Lavon via Groups.Io"
<lavon725@...> wrote:


Should we be clearing out the message history in our group?
Messages don't count toward your storage limit. Unless there's been a
change, the following are what are counted towards the storage limits
for your group:
? Files
? Photos
? Images in databases
? Images in wiki pages
? Message attachments
Messages themselves are not counted towards the storage limits, only
any attachments.

Donald


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Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
group on Groups.io:
/g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly)
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
/g/CatVet (just launched)
Message History

Lavon
 

Should we be clearing out the message history in our group?

If so how do we do it instead of one at a time??
Lavon
Over-quoting versus under-quoting

 

On 8/27/2019 2:57 AM, Epicatt2 wrote:
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 03:28 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
Looking at this thread in its entirety I find myself reminded that
over-quoting is another widespread problem.
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Bruce, not wanting to hijack this thread I'll have to agree with Chris that the over-quoting/piggybacking thingy is surely right up there with hijacking a thread. And a gently worded member notice which would ride somewhere between yours and Kathleen's should be the most effecive.
I think the "over-quoting/piggybacking" controversy and the under-quoting policy is one of those things of personal preference like top posting versus bottom posting.? A lot of the groups I am in and some I own or moderate seem to think that "no quoting" of a message is a great thing to do and so the reader has no clue what they are talking about or even who they are talking to!? There needs to be at least enough quoting to let the reader know what the comment is about or in reference to.? You might be surprised to read all of the messages posted to a forum that are simply the responder's comment without any indication of what it is about!?? My personal preference to to be over-quoted.? When that is paired with top posting it means I do not have to read the entire thread (but can if I want) but have the option to do so.? There does need to be a balance and I do not see that.? In fact, I see very little moderator coaxing to strike a balance.? There seems to be more of a tendency to chastise those that over-quote but no mention is made to those that under-quote or do not quote at all.? That paired with thread hijacking often makes it impossible to even know what the responder is talking about!

Thank you.

Jim Pruitt
Re: Custom Direct Add message #addmembers #messages

 

Casey,

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Not being able to edit the canned Groups.io Direct Add message is problematic at best in an Enterprise or Open Source environment.
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You should be able to edit an included part of it on the Direct Add page and/or in the Member Notices tab of your group's Settings page.
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When I attempt to directly add someone to a subgroup, I must add them to the main, and they see that they were subscribed to list that they didn't ask for.?
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I believe that if you Direct Add them directly to the subgroup they will be automatically added to the primary group, and the primary group's notice will be suppressed. It has been over a year since I tried this though, and that was in a Premium group, not Enterprise, so you may want to try a test case before trying this on any "real" members. It may require that you (temporarily) mark the Welcome and Direct Add notices of your primary group as "inactive".
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We also need to be able to effectively remind them that?Community Members who are not subscribed to individual mailing lists could/will experience moderation of their posts.
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You can remind them in your group's Home page description, Guidelines, a pinned Topic, a sticky-wiki, or a recurring event notification.
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Shal
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Re: Custom Direct Add message #addmembers #messages

 

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 11:11 AM, Casey Cain wrote:
This is a critical flaw in the Groups.io platform and something needs to give.
No one from Groups.io management is on this group.? If you have suggestions, such as this, you'll need to join the where it might be seen by management.? I believe there are threads over there about this very thing.? BTW, I don't think it's that critical or there wouldn't be as many groups here as there are.

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Re: Custom Direct Add message #addmembers #messages

 

Not being able to edit the canned Groups.io Direct Add message is problematic at best in an Enterprise or Open Source environment.? Most users do not know, understand or care to be required to be subscribed to a "main" mailing list in order to subscribe to another.? Because we can not edit the canned message, we can not effectively communicate that with new members of our community.?
When I attempt to directly add someone to a subgroup, I must add them to the main, and they see that they were subscribed to list that they didn't ask for.? They unsubscribe and then wonder why they are not getting the email from the subgroup that they did request.
This is a critical flaw in the Groups.io platform and something needs to give.
Either we need the ability to individually subscribe members to subgroups without them being a member of the default group, or we need the ability to edit the canned message to reflect that they are being added to a subgroup and the "main" list because it is required to be subscribed to any of the domain mailing lists.? We also need to be able to effectively remind them that?Community Members who are not subscribed to individual mailing lists could/will experience moderation of their posts.

Regards,
Casey Cain
Technical Program Manager
The Linux Foundation
Re: #email [privacy and sharing addresses] #email

Lisa Franklin
 

Thank you Shal and Duane for these suggestions!? Passing along to my group.
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Lisa Franklin
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Re: How do I make a member a moderator or co-owner

 

Barbara Jean,

Here is how. There is also a cautionary note in the wiki page. That being said, there are advantages with having a second person in case something happens to the sole owner.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Promotion%2C-Status-or-Permissions-Change-to-Moderator-or-Owner

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How do I make a member a moderator or co-owner

 

I would like to take some of those who were moderators in my old yahoo group and make them moderators or co-owners in this new group that we are replacing it with.? How do I do that?
Barbara jean
Re: Thread hijacking

 

One thing I've discovered is that if the subject line in a reply to a topic is corrected (for a typo, etc.) after the orignal post has been approved, then changing even one character in the subjec tline of the reply causes the reply to become a new thread.

This has the effect of splitting a topic into more than one thread even if it were meant to be the same topic. And in that case it then needs to be merged with the original post to keep the info together.

Just FWIW . . .

Paul M.
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