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On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 07:06 AM, Paula K. Parker wrote:

She says that when she hits "reply all" she gets a message that "it isn't valid."

I checked her subscription, her email history, and everything seems fine. What should I do next?

Paula -- You should next ask her a bunch of questions to help narrow down the possibilities. What service (provider) is she using for email? What email client (software) does she use? Is incoming mail from groups.io being rewritten for DMARC purposes (does it say "from groups.io" in the From field -- see?/static/help#dmarc). Has she tried simply hitting "reply?" Can she forward an actual screenshot of the error?

Frankly, "it isn't valid" doesn't tell us (or you) very much...we don't even know what "it" is yet. Help will probably not be forthcoming until she gets a little more explicit than that.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 07:07 AM, Mick Anderson wrote:

How do you remove the image when replying to posted message that has an image?
I cannot see any link to do it.

There is no link to do it.

Groups.io has no way to determine whether something attached to any incoming message is accidental or intentional (even a duplicate can be intentional).?Thus subscribers must actively remove unwanted attachments from their replies using their email client before sending.

Most mail clients have settings that accomplish this, either to automatically strip attachments from replies or to not quote the original message at all. On a desktop, usually you can remove images from replies by simply highlighting them and hitting the Delete key.

To provide further guidance we will need to know what client you are using.
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On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 06:10 AM, Winnie wrote:

On the group page it says "apply for membership in this group".

That means she's not logged in with the account used for that group, regardless of what she says.? Have her look at the Wiki page.

Duane
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I have a member who is already subscribed to my group, but she has no access to the group anymore. On the group page it says "apply for membership in this group". She is logged in so that is not the issue.
I can't send her an invite since she already is a member. So what can we do to give her access to the group again?

Winnie

Hello Karen

1. Yes, DMCA takedown notices are unfair and one-sided. It favours the
party who has the most money. I also agree that it is unfair that your
entire group is taken down just because *some* of your messages infringe
on others' copyright.

2. That said, I since Groups.io doesn't have a big staff who can deal
with each and every DMCA takedown request, and if a particular group
seems to generate a lot such notices, at least I can understand that
Groups.io might choose not to host the group anymore.

3. As for whether or not you actually do infringe on others' copyright,
well, I have no doubt that **YOU DO**.

I've also visited your group and found a lot of content of which I have
no doubt that it infringes upon the creators' copyright.

- You seem to believe that unless a tube or scrap kit has a clear
copyright notice, then that tube or scrap kit is not copyrighted.

- You seem to believe that it is okay to post copyrighted material as
long as you put disclaimers in the post.

- You also seem to believe that it is not your responsibility (as the
group owner) to verify if anything sent to you (and reposted by you) are
copyrighted, and that it is okay to "infringe first and apologise later".

"I am NOT the creator of any tag, tube and/or scrap kit that I share."

Adding this disclaimer to a post that infringes copyright does not
cancel the infringement.

"I am not responsible for what is shared with Me to SHARE WITH MY GROUPS."

Actually, you are, especially if you're the one reposting it.

"Every share is for entertainment purposes and we receive no financial gain."

Despite what you seem to believe, this is no excuse to infringe on
others' copyright.

"If it is not marked 'PTU' or 'Do Not Share,' there is no way to know
that it is a 'Pay To Use' item.

No, I'm afraid you misunderstand how copyright works. If it is not
specifically marked "free to share", then it is not free to share.

To put it differently, unless the creator specifically licensed you (generally or specifically) to repost the actual kit, then you do not have the right to post the kit.

The fact that a creator says "PTU" or "do not share" is simply a reminder of their copyright. It is not required to have "PTU" or "do not share" added to a tube to make it copyrighted.

And while we're on the topic, "FTU" means free to use, not "free from
copyright". In other words, FTU content are free to use for personal digital scrapbooking, but that does not mean the pack itself can be freely sent to others.

If you found a cool kit and you want to tell others about it, do it in
the proper way, by sharing a URL to the creator's page, naming the creator, and telling your readers something about the creator and about why you think the kit is cool.

I don't think there's a problem with sharing links to tube creators' web
pages, but from what I can see, you're not doing that -- you're stealing
the content and posting it on your group, and using their work to help
you advertise your other sites.

Samuel

PS. I've had a look at your other groups, and you often (always!) post
content that you did not create yourself, without any indication of
where you found the content, who created the content, and whom your
readers should contact for permission to use it.

Hi,
I got it now. The receive-only-mail-address has the following structure:
[email protected]

If I mail to that address from an external account it is delivered directly into the group.
Wonderful.

Best
Linda

Hi Bob!
Thanks a lot!? I now created a receive-only email-address.
The system now created an address looking in that way: [email protected]
I have tried to mail to that address from an external mail-account, but the delivery failed (it has not even been categorized as a pending message).

Do you know, what is the name of the receive-only-address I need to mail to?

Best and thanks in advance
Linda

To prevent duplicate photos being saved to the "Photos" section when replying to a posted message containing an image you are supposed to remove the image from your reply.
How do you do that?

Mick

Duane,

How do you remove the image when replying to posted message that has an image?
I cannot see any link to do it.

Mick

One member of my group cannot send an email. She says that when she hits "reply all" she gets a message that "it isn't valid."

I checked her subscription, her email history, and everything seems fine.

What should I do next?

Thank you for all your help. I truly appreciate it.

Paula

On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 07:02 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:

Could the person join someone's premium group just to do that,
assuming that the owner is willing to help?

Donald -- That's not a bad idea, but the old email address would have to be Direct Added to the group first. More straightforward, though, would be for Charlie to pay $10 for a month of Premium (perhaps with the aid of the subscriber) and simply edit the record that already exists in his Member List.

Regards,
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Do you know how I can contact them? I am willing to pay for the tubes I shared accidentally.

Thanks for your help.

Karen,

Why is my group being removed?

The message from Mark seems clear on the subject.

A DMCA takedown notice is a formal (legal) document that notifies Groups.io that the site contains material that infringes the plaintif's copyright.

Groups.io MUST take action when such a complaint is raised, or it risks losing its safe-harbor under U.S. copyright law, which would make Groups.io legally liable for the infringement.

Why can't I fight it before they remove it?

U.S. copyright law (in particular the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, "DMCA") does not allow that. The site owner must first remove the content.


You CAN fight the removal by filing a "Put-Back" notice. The basis of your notice would have to be that you own the rights to the material or that you have a proper license to use it.

So your option at this point would be to come to an agreement with the plaintiff to obtain the right to use their material. Then you can file the Put-Back notice.

If you read my footer, I agreed to pay anyone if I accidentally sent a
CDO tube. I am not sure why I am being removed.

The law does not allow Mark to take your word for it, nor does it allow him to leave the material in place while you work it out with the plaintiff.

Shal


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Doug,

1. Is it correct we could import exiting Yahoo groups into this site
to get started.

Yes. You can simply start a group here and invite your former YG members to join it. You would have to re-upload any other content that you wish to copy from your YG.

Or (for a fee) you can use the Easy Group Transfer. See:
/static/transfer
and GMF's notes:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups

Note that the Easy Group Transfer doesn't actually create the new group for you - you set up your Groups.io group first and then start the transfer when you're ready.

2. Can someone added by step 1 to this group opt out at anytime?

Yes.

They'll receive a notification during the transfer, and the notice will have an opt-out link.

3. As we collect more members/guest email address and add them to
this group can they opt out if desired?

Members can unsubscribe at any time, by email or by web.

If yours is a Basic (free) Groups.io group you can only Invite people to join. To Direct Add them you must upgrade to a Premium group.
/static/pricing

Someone said today "You use Yahoo Groups, that's so 1980s", I said
maybe more like '1990s'.

Heh. Yup, that's why Groups.io exists.


Shal


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Doug . . .

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:01:19 -0700, doug@... wrote:

Reading FAQs and got lots of info.

1. Is it correct we could import exiting Yahoo groups into this site to get started.

2. Can someone added by step 1 to this group opt out at anytime?

3. As we collect more members/guest email address and add them to this group can they opt out if desired?

#1, yes, you can, if you pay for a premium group for one year.
Otherwise, you don't get to transfer the group messages, pictures,
etc. If you do it yourself, you will have to transfer everything
manually. I don't know how you could export/import your messages but I
know how to archive them using PG Offline. I just don't know how to
convert them to a useful format to upload into GIO. If you had done
this before February of this year, group transfers were free.

#2, yes, they can. In fact, some will do so, especially if they are
against the move. And some will ask that you don't transfer their
messages as it is their personal information. Most won't give you any
trouble and will just opt-out if they don't want to be part of the new
group.

#3, you won't be adding people against their will, will you? That
could get you into some trouble. I assume that you'd get their
permission and send out an invitation rather than do a direct add. I
believe you have to have a premium group anyway to do a direct add,
otherwise you only can invite people to join.

Donald


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Karen . . .

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:45:30 +0000 (UTC), "Karen Rodriguez via
Groups.Io" <erotoo1@...> wrote:

If it is not marked 'PTU' or 'Do Not Share,' there is no way to know that it is a 'Pay To Use' item.

The best approach is to request permission first before sharing. It
might seem like too much trouble, but it can prevent issues like this
from happening.

That said, I know of many groups that copy/paste things from various
web sites and post them, or paste them into a document and put them in
the files section. They should request permission first even for
those, but they get away with it. While it's not videos, some of it is
copyrighted material and they might get takedown notices at some point
in the future, especially if the message archives are viewable by
non-members.

Donald


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Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
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/g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly)
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
/g/CatVet (just launched)

Shal . . .

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 15:52:49 -0700, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>
wrote:

As Bruce mentioned, the more useful question is whether he/she is
subscribed to one or more Premium groups. If so a premium group
owner/mod can change the email address for him/her. That will switch all
of his/her subscriptions to the new address.

Could the person join someone's premium group just to do that,
assuming that the owner is willing to help?

Or maybe Mark can change the address?

Donald


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Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
group on Groups.io:
/g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly)
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
/g/CatVet (just launched)

Reading FAQs and got lots of info.

1. Is it correct we could import exiting Yahoo groups into this site to get started.?
2. Can someone added by step 1 to this group opt out at anytime?
3. As we collect more members/guest email address and add them to this group can they opt out if desired?

Someone said today "You use Yahoo Groups, that's so 1980s", I said maybe more like '1990s'. Just joined today.

Charlie,

They no longer have access to their old email account, and they have
never signed in to the GIO website (and hence no saved authentication
cookie).

Nor a password to log in with, if they never set one up.

... is there any way they can change the email address associated
with their GIO account?

Not if they can't log in to Groups.io, nor receive any messages sent to the old address. To log in you need one or the other: a password in your Groups.io account or access to your email inbox.

Assume that at least one of the groups to which they are subscribed is
a free (non-premium) group.

As Bruce mentioned, the more useful question is whether he/she is subscribed to one or more Premium groups. If so a premium group owner/mod can change the email address for him/her. That will switch all of his/her subscriptions to the new address.

Shal


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