Er ... I did think about it actually. ? It¡¯s non-optimal because if users can¡¯t make minor edits to their posts without reposting the whole thing, then either the ability will be abused and annoy the hell out of the group (which was exactly my case) or the feature will be disabled, as it seems to have been for many groups and is now for mine. ? And I don¡¯t agree at all about Mods needing to be able to edit other users posts. Delete them occasionally, yes, if they¡¯re really beyond the pale or illegal or whatever. One of the groups (/g/twsapi) I recently transferred from yahoo has over 35000 posts in its archive: I¡¯ve been moderating it for 10 years or more, and I¡¯ve never once felt it necessary to rewrite or edit another user¡¯s post. I have better things to do with my time! ? Richard ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: 31 March 2017 15:25
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Editing messages? On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 07:15 am, Richard L King wrote: This strikes me as very non-optimal.
I find it absolutely necessary. Think about it. Mods need the ability to control after-the-fact posts that people have already responded to, etc. It's just an unfortunate "side effect" of the fact that groups.io is both an email list and a web forum that emails have to go out for every edit.... J?
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Re: Like a message - purpose?
I didn't think I'd want or use the Like button (since there's no Dislike button ;>), but have since found a use for it. I use it to reduce the "me, too" or "thanks" posts. I want folks to know that I agree and/or support them, but don't need a new post to do that. At present, it only shows up on the posts, but there have been discussions on the beta group about tweaking to possibly make it more useful.
Duane
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On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 08:40 am, Ginny T. wrote:
It's sad to think that editing? could be used that way, but it's a reality.
The good thing about Groups.io is that it also saves the original, so you can click on the Edited button at the right to see what happened. A moderator can delete the original without also deleting the edit, but that I don't see that happening much due to archival needs. (I only did it as a test.) One of my Group Guidelines discourages editing unless it's a critical point, but there are a couple of folks that just have to have everything perfect. Most aren't aware that a new post goes out for each edit and educating them takes care of it. A few don't learn/care, so in those cases, I put them on moderation and can delete the intermediate edits. Duane
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Like a message - purpose?
I've done some digging here but don't come up with anything - can someone help me with what "liking" a message does? Other than showing when messages are being read on a group's page, is there any other purpose/use or are there stats somewhere (other than in the Moderator's Activity Log?) Thanks, Ginny
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One of the first setting I changed when preparing my group was to not allow users to edit their posts. Not only do you get into problems such as you describe, we've had instances (long ago) where it caused problems with "who said what when"? - and it wasn't pretty. It's sad to think that editing? could be used that way, but it's a reality. If a member needs to edit a post due to an error, they will usually post their own correction, or they can send a request to me to edit it for them. Ginny
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On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 07:15 am, Richard L King wrote: This strikes me as very non-optimal. I find it absolutely necessary. Think about it. Mods need the ability to control after-the-fact posts that people have already responded to, etc. It's just an unfortunate "side effect" of the fact that groups.io is both an email list and a web forum that emails have to go out for every edit.... J?
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Re: Can two Yahoo Groups be merged into one Groups.io group
And the results of this move are...! - These were two old groups at Yahoo...one that was started in 2002 and the other in 2008. ?I was nervous before this move. ?Didn't want to screw anything up.
- The move (and merge of the two groups) went off flawlessly.
- All of the messages moved over properly and were intact.
- The photo albums (120+) moved over properly and were intact.
- An unexpected bonus was that membership moved over with their original join date...as opposed to showing as joining on the date moved to groups.io. ?A little thing...but very important.
- All of the group message history display properly...and going all the way back to 2002.
- Group members needed to do nothing. ?Just have to know the new email address for posting messages.
- Had about ~380 at Yahoo. ?The groups.io team was able to move about ~300. ?Of those 300 about ~11 have unsubscribed. ?They were all 'in-actives', so that's fine.
- Have already had positive comments from the membership.
- It feels so good to be away from Yahoo.
Couldn't be happier. ?The groups.io platform is wonderful...a nice breath of fresh air. ?The groups.io team did a great job with this transition. -Jim Coffee-
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This is exactly why many of us (including, eventually, Mark himself, in the beta group) have disabled editing in our groups. We had to fight hard for the disable option.
J
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On Mar 31, 2017, at 2:14 AM, Richard L King < rlking@...> wrote: The ability for users to edit their own posts is potentially quite handy. ? But I had a case last week where a user edited his post six times, making trivial changes, and it went to the group every time ¨C really annoying, especially as you had to look really hard to see what had changed. And when you multiply the time wasted deciding that there¡¯s nothing to see here by the 7000+ members, that¡¯s a lot of wasted time. ? So I chided him and suggested that editing a post to remove trivial mistakes so it¡¯s good for the archive is fine, just don¡¯t send it to the group again each time. But he came back to me yesterday saying that according to support, only moderators have the ability to edit without reposing. ? Is this actually true? If so, I think I¡¯ll have to remove users¡¯ edit rights. ? By the way, thanks to for a great service. It¡¯s such a relief from the misery that was Yahoo! ? Richard King
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And now I can answer my own question, as I¡¯m not a moderator on this group and there was a typo in my initial post (¡®reposing¡¯ instead of ¡®reposting¡¯, quite accidental I assure you!). Indeed I can edit it but I can¡¯t save it without it being posted to the group again. ? This strikes me as very non-optimal. If a poster makes a silly mistake like mine, where probably most recipients wouldn¡¯t have any trouble understanding what I meant, I can see the value in fixing the message in the archives but no reason at all to send the whole thing out again, though an additional post pointing out the problem could be helpful. ? I would see edit-and-repost as only being useful when the author has made a major cock-up (for example leaving out an important section), such that leaving it in its original form in the archive could be misleading. Even then my preference would always be to reply to the original post pointing out the error, and then maybe editing the original message (but not reposting it) to indicate that the next message in the thread should be looked at as well. ? Anyway, it is how it is and I shall now remove editing rights from all my users. ? Richard ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard L King
Sent: 31 March 2017 10:15
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] Editing messages? The ability for users to edit their own posts is potentially quite handy. ? But I had a case last week where a user edited his post six times, making trivial changes, and it went to the group every time ¨C really annoying, especially as you had to look really hard to see what had changed. And when you multiply the time wasted deciding that there¡¯s nothing to see here by the 7000+ members, that¡¯s a lot of wasted time. ? So I chided him and suggested that editing a post to remove trivial mistakes so it¡¯s good for the archive is fine, just don¡¯t send it to the group again each time. But he came back to me yesterday saying that according to groups.io support, only moderators have the ability to edit without reposing. ? Is this actually true? If so, I think I¡¯ll have to remove users¡¯ edit rights. ? By the way, thanks to groups.io for a great service. It¡¯s such a relief from the misery that was Yahoo! ? Richard King
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The ability for users to edit their own posts is potentially quite handy. ? But I had a case last week where a user edited his post six times, making trivial changes, and it went to the group every time ¨C really annoying, especially as you had to look really hard to see what had changed. And when you multiply the time wasted deciding that there¡¯s nothing to see here by the 7000+ members, that¡¯s a lot of wasted time. ? So I chided him and suggested that editing a post to remove trivial mistakes so it¡¯s good for the archive is fine, just don¡¯t send it to the group again each time. But he came back to me yesterday saying that according to groups.io support, only moderators have the ability to edit without reposing. ? Is this actually true? If so, I think I¡¯ll have to remove users¡¯ edit rights. ? By the way, thanks to groups.io for a great service. It¡¯s such a relief from the misery that was Yahoo! ? Richard King
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Has the GMF Yahoo group Migrated to io?
Hi everyone,
I'm really behind the 8-ball. I notice that all my GMF emails are not yahoo.
My real question has to do with the ATT Yahoo email accounts. How can I find out if it affects me. I don't know who hosts my Yahoo email account. I know it's not SBCGlobal. I checked on ICANN but couldn't find it. Can someone help me please?
Judy
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Re: AOL truncates message titles, causing lack of threading
Some email clients truncate the subject. I use Pegasus4.63 and that chops the subject to 35 char.
OK, Tony
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Re: AOL truncates message titles, causing lack of threading
Yes, the subjects in my group tend to be very long. I thought about counting the number of characters but haven't had time to do that yet. I'll try to get around to it. My main efforts so far have been in the direction of continuing to beg and plead with this member to switch to gmail for the group. She's the last holdout (there are a couple more, but they use mainly the web for the group). J
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Re: AOL truncates message titles, causing lack of threading
J, It happens every single time this member posts. It seems that AOL
allows message titles to be only a certain length long, and then it
truncates. Every time? I haven't seen the behavior so I'm not thinking that AOL does this to every reply. Does this member only reply to messages with lengthy Subjects (perhaps all message Subjects in your group are lengthy)? Or am I missing something? Sometimes, just one letter is cut off at the end. Other times, a
whole phrase. I'm curious, not that it matters, but can you tell if there's enough consistency in the behavior to state a rule like "Truncates Subjects longer than (say) 72 characters"? Shal
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Re: AOL truncates message titles, causing lack of threading
On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:05 pm, Shal Farley wrote: You might send the example (group name and message numbers) to [email protected] along with that suggestion Shal, I'll do that. And BTW, it's not "the example." It's examples, plural. It happens every single time this member posts. It seems that AOL allows message titles to be only a certain length long, and then it truncates. Sometimes, just one letter is cut off at the end. Other times, a whole phrase. It had me stumped for awhile, because when you first glance at it, it LOOKS like it's the same. But if you look closely, there's a character missing at the end. Etc. J?
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Re: AOL truncates message titles, causing lack of threading
J, Just a heads up. I've noticed that every time my last holdout AOL
member responds to a message, it starts a new thread. I've figured
out it's because AOL is truncating message titles. Wow. The one example I happen to have at hand of a reply from an AOL member (using the AOL UI and not Apple Mail or iPhone Mail) doesn't include either an In-Reply-To or References field. (The Apple products included both fields.) And, that message didn't include any quoted material - the only evidence I have that it was a reply at all is the Re: at the front of the Subject. So there's pretty much no hope of knowing that it was a reply. Maybe consider it a Subject match if it matches within the length that it is, ignoring the extra length of the existing topic. You might send the example (group name and message numbers) to [email protected] along with that suggestion. The other thing that could break a subject match (but I've only seen this out of Yahoo, I think) is HTML vomit (e.g. changing apostrophes into the ' aka "& # 3 9 ;" without the spaces). Shal
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AOL truncates message titles, causing lack of threading
Just a heads up. I've noticed that every time my last holdout AOL member responds to a message, it starts a new thread. I've figured out it's because AOL is truncating message titles. So this is another problem with AOL, in addition to the automatic unsubscribes created by its poor spam processing. J
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ok, thanks
On 3/29/2017 12:40 PM, Duane wrote:
You can currently only delete photos one at a time, but there's a bulk delete function on the to-do list at the Trello page (where Mark keeps track of things to fix or improve.) To delete an entire album, go to the album and there will be a Delete Album button at the top.
Duane
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You can currently only delete photos one at a time, but there's a bulk delete function on the to-do list at the Trello page (where Mark keeps track of things to fix or improve.) To delete an entire album, go to the album and there will be a Delete Album button at the top.
Duane
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Hi all, Could I get some help on deleting photos and albums? Do I really have to do it a photo at a time? Also I can't see how to delete a whole album. Will greatly appreciate your help!
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Duane
Jim Coffee
Shal Farley