On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 01:52 PM, Chris Jones wrote:

on the group I moderate I can create a hashtag, on this one I can't

There's definitely a bug.? I was able to send a message with a non-existent hashtag to a group.? It showed up and was added to the hashtag list instead of bouncing.? Hopefully, Ullman has reported it and it will get fixed soon.

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 05:56 PM, Duane wrote:

It seems like there was a distinct choice for "Only Moderators Can Create Hashtags" at one time, but I can't find it now

IIRC you are right, and I cannot find it either. However, on the group I moderate I can create a hashtag, on this one I can't so I think the function has been rolled into the drop down as you suggested.

Chris

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:42 PM, Ullman Garrett wrote:

However?members are able to post incorrect hashtags and they do not bounce. Is this option not behaving as it should?

Sounds like a bug to me.? You should report it to [email protected]? Are you sure that you've deleted all the 'incorrect' hashtags?? It seems like there was a distinct choice for "Only Moderators Can Create Hashtags" at one time, but I can't find it now.? Possibly the drop down replaced it.

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 05:42 PM, Ullman Garrett wrote:

However?members are able to post incorrect hashtags and they do not bounce.

Try a different Setting: Posts by subscribers can only be tagged with existing hashtags, new hashtags will be removed. Will that meet your requirements? It's rather less brutal than bouncing messages with attempts to create new hashtags.

Chris

Just tried it and it is what I want.? Thank you.

Dale Gloer

Mark has already fixed the problem...

I've made the following change: we now remember which 'home page' you were last on, whether that's the Feed page, the Groups page, or the Topics page,
and we return to that page the next time you go to??(or click on the logo).

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 10:45 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

There is no way (at present) to make this the default when you click the Groups.io logo.

Nor after logging in...

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 03:36 PM, <dgrass1@...> wrote:

As an owner of a group does my action of setting the order of how I view albums and pictures decide how the members see them too.

No it doesn't. One or two have suggested a Set Group Default function but we aren't holding our breath...

Or does everyone have the ability to set their order independently?

Yes they do. For groups where the "sort by title / name" had been used to advantage in organising the sequence of Albums and Photos the ongoing usability of Photos depends on all Subscribers setting their own defaults correctly. Bit ambitious that, IMHO. In some respects it's not the ability but the necessity to set the sort order. :(

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I think the recent change to display the Feed page when logged in has also changed the default when accessing a particular group via <groupname>.groups.io - it sends the page to groups.io when not logged in, or the feed page when logged in. This means that for a new (not yet approved) member, the groups.io page or the feed page (if logged in) will show up instead of the <groupname> homepage if they enter the url <groupname>.groups.io. To get around this problem, the new potential member has to enter <groupname>.groups.io/g/main or groups.io/g/<groupname> to get to the correct homepage for that particular group in order to apply for membership.

I remember that we used to be able to access a group's homepage simply by typing in <groupname>.groups.io. For current members, it's not too much a problem, but for a potential member, they have no way to access the group's homepage unless they type the correct url (<groupname>.groups.io/g/main or groups.io/g/<groupname>).? Is this considered a bug to be reported?

Thank you.
Lily

As of this morning when I logged in I get the Feed as my default view of my groups.? I do not? like this view and want to know how I can get the view that MY Groups will give me which is how things used to work.

Dale Gloer

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 08:15 AM, Ullman Garrett wrote:

As I understand it, the option that only moderators can create hashtags is only effective if you check the box all messages must have hashtag.

Is this correct?

No, one of the options on the Settings page, under Message Policies, is Hashtag Permissions.? Setting that to "Posts by subscribers can only be tagged with existing hashtags, otherwise the message is bounced." will enforce using only hashtags that have been predefined by a mod/owner.? You could also choose "Posts by subscribers can only be tagged with existing hashtags, new hashtags will be removed.", but that probably isn't what you want.

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 03:53 AM, Denny G. wrote:

Maybe a little instruction via a "sticky note" on your group will fix that one. Just a thought ...

...which I'mafraid to say is (IMHO) flawed, for a number of reasons.

IME the majority of acitivity by subscibers is posting (and reading posts) by email, and this seems to be particularly true of new members. As a result they do not see sticky notes (sticky posts) or sticky wikis and the like. The Welcome notice we send from the group I moderate suggests that new subscribers "have a look round", but they appear not to bother. We also specifically ask that they "sign" their posts but many don't and they are surprised when we reject their posts for that reason. Some are persistent offenders.

As a result, when they do try to use the web UI for something, they are unfamiliar with it, having passed up the suggestion that they try to familiarise themselves with it. Now having sorted out our Photos section based on the "old" defaults, it is absurd to suggest that as and when queries arise we should have to deal with them individually, simply because the subs concerned didn't bother to "have a look around". Now I suppose I could put out a post (even as a Special Notice) about this and other changes (e.g. the new "Feed" page) but from past experience most subs will not react to it for the simple reason that they will take the view "it doesn't apply to me right now". None of the above would apply if (a) the default had not been changed at a "corporate" level, or (b) Group Managers could set a "Group Default".?

Shal summed it up best by pointing to the Principle of Least Astonishment. I might go as far as to suggest that recent changes have ignored this (I include the new Feed Page) and is IMHO a dangerous precedent.

Chris

Hi Doug,

Will you be able to transfer our details, seeing that technically we
have no owner - only a moderator??

I'm just a user of Groups.io, so I can't do anything beyond try to give you good advice.

Whether you and/or your co-moderator will be able to use the Easy Group Transfer function will depend on circumstances, as I mentioned before. If you can't recover access to your account as group owner, and he doesn't have the requisite privileges, then no: you'll be stuck copying anything you want copied "by hand".

How do you and I get into direct contact with each other?

I see (from your offlist reply) that you found my offlist message to you. So we're good.

Shal


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Pamela,

I have invited someone to join one of my groups but every time she
tries to accept the invitation I get the following message in the
Activity log.
Non-member .........@... attempted to send message
"Invitation to join the [email protected] group" via email

This indicates that her reply to the Invitation went to the group's posting address, rather than the +accept address.

What are we doing wrong??

You, nothing.

Her, probably nothing.

If she is doing nothing more than using the Reply feature in her email interface, then the problem is that she's using a defective email interface -- it is ignoring the Reply-To header field, and sending her acceptance to the From (group's posting) address. This has cropped up before, especially with mobile interfaces.

If it is convenient for her, she should try accepting the invitation using an email interface on a different device. Or she may try using the link inside the invitation instead of replying to the invitation.

By the way, if your group has its Reply To set to "Group", she may find that her attempts to reply to group postings using this device likewise go awry - either to the sender only or to an invalid email address. For the same reason.

Shal


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On 25/03/2019 13:32, Shal Farley wrote:

It sounds like the only two things you'd want the Easy Group Transfer function to handle are the Members list and the Photos. If we can arrange that it will save substantial effort for you versus manually copying them, particularly if your Yahoo group has more than 1000 members.

Hi Shal.

I'll get in touch with my co-moderator shortly (like a day or so), and see what his current feelings are.

Will you be able to transfer our details, seeing that technically we have no owner - only a moderator?? This is why I was talking about opening an io Group, and simply abandoning yahoo.

I'll give you the objects of the group, and our topic - which is quite an ordinary one - among fellow collectors. It's very fraternal. In 18 years, I've only blocked one member who was having personal problems, being on medication, and making things a bit difficult for the others. He came right, and was re-admitted.

We only have 165 members at this time, this being a fairly specialised group. I unsubscribed members who have been out of touch - some for a number of years, or not taking postings - late last year, so it is fairly up-to-date.

How do you and I get into direct contact with each other? I put my email address in my last post, but the moderator redacted it.

I greatly appreciate what you are offering to do for us. Many Thanks.

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