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ruthie levi

Stephano,

Sorry for the slow responses. I'm working with folks in the UK so the
timezone shift with questions is fun. :)

My turn to be sorry. You now have also the fun of dealing with a guy who does most of this fun stuff on the weekend...

(1) download the compressed mailbox file for the month I'm interested
in, ...

This the group mods/owners can do, except that there's no filter for time range - the export will have the group's entire message content.

On the group's Settings page there's an Export Group Data button. That will take them to a form where they can choose what content. There is a checkbox for Messages, they would select that one alone.

I'm not certain about the rest of the steps in your workflow, but what the group mod/owner will get is a zipped .mbox file with all of the group's messages. If you have a means to open that and prune it down to what you need then you're probably set.

I'd use Thunderbird for the task, but that's just because it is the tool I know, I'm not familiar with the unix tools you mention, nor am I familiar with git. I use Fossil for version control and ticket tracking.
(software)

Some projects at work are using git, but fortunately I'm not on those projects. I hear a lot of cursing from those who are, but git is only one part of the problem. Also fun is the Atlassian ecosystem, but I'm drifting off-topic here (must be late). I start a new (to me) project next week, which means a deep dive into a couple years' of collected project notes in Confluence and Jira. Tools I've not used before. Oh fun!

Shal


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Mike,

The default is to have the first message moderated. I override that
for most members.

Exceptional diligence.

I'd probably just wait for their first message to arrive in Pending, then approve it (assuming it is appropriate). Then the system will automatically switch their Privilege from NuM to "Use Group Moderation Setting". Or after some other number if you set a number other than 1 for "Unmoderate after".

Not my first choice, but I will encourage the dozen or so members who
use Winlink and cannot add a Winlink alias to add a subscription, like
I did.

Then they can use the Subscription controls for each to control which receives group messages. Or they could unsubscribe their regular address and use just their Winlink subscription instead, if they like reading and posting messages from there better.

But if you or they really would rather not have their Winlink address showing in group messages I still recommend that they log in using that address one last time to delete that account. Then they should be able to establish it as an Alias to their main address.

Shal


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Marcia,

I tried this. WHERE does note appear?

Only on the Notes page itself, as far as I know.

Our groups.io group needs an additional column on the Members
roster page to be entered manually by our membership person. And, be
able to click on heading so, same month, day and year dates are
together on the list.

So, for your purposes it seems like the column would need to be entered and stored as a date, not arbitrary text.

Or I suppose the column could be text, as long as you maintain the discipline of entering them in a consistent format, such as 2019-03-16, which sorts correctly as text. If you entered them as March 16, 2019 each month would be together, but they wouldn't be in calendar order and the years would be mixed in.

There doesn't seem to be a way to do this. The headings there are
good, but we need an Expiration Date column, so we know when to
remove a member from the list.

Would you want the system to automatically remove them on their expiration date, or do you prefer to handle that manually?

I'm kind of interested in this myself. One of my duties as email-list assistant for a PTA unit is to remove PTA unit members whose prior-year memberships have expired from the email list of the unit.

Right now the unit Membership chair tracks unit memberships in an Excel spreadsheet. S/he periodically sends me updated copies of that spreadsheet. I use Excel to compare that list to an export of the email list subscriptions and add/remove list subscriptions as needed.

Members of this group have to be a member of another group.

I'm not sure if it is relevant, but are you saying that this group is a subgroup of that other group, or just that there's a rule your moderators enforce about the memberships in the two groups?

Shal


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Pamela,

I have a problem importing and exporting records from a database. My
group works to a yearly Calendar which is set the month prior to the
start of each year.

One initial confusion is that you seem to be using the Database for this rather than the group's Event Calendar. That's ok, and you may have good reason to do so, but I wanted to clear that up, and possibly suggest that the Calendar might do what you want better than the Database, if you hadn't considered it.

As there is no way to edit the ID number for rows the only way i can
find to keep the Calendar in order for our very computer illiterate
members is to rewrite it.

The ID number is a serial number for that entry. It is assigned when the entry is created and never changed thereafter. In concept similar to a message number.

But a key feature of the Database is that it can be sorted on any column simply by clicking that column header.

So I think what you're looking for is a way to set a particular column of your table to be the default sort column when a member opens the table. There doesn't seem to be a way to do that at present; but it seems to me like a useful feature.

When creating or editing a table that could be a checkbox in the column definitions. Checking that in one column's definition would necessarily clear it in the others.

The export works fine but for some reason I do not seem to be able to
import the file back into a database. Is there a way of doing this?

That should be possible, but I haven't tried it in a while.

I know one key factor is that the first row of the imported .CSV must be the column Names, matching exactly those of the pre-defined table.

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Hi,
I have a problem importing and exporting records from a database. ?My group works to a yearly Calendar which is set the month prior to the start of each year. ?There are times when there needs to be changes to the month involved i.e. a project changing from June to August.
As there is no way to edit the ID number for rows the only way i can find to keep the Calendar in order for our very computer illiterate members is to rewrite it. ?OR to export as a .csv file, change the lines/rows and import it back into the database. ?Well that's what I thought!!! ?The export works fine but for some reason I do not seem to be able to import the file back into a database. ?Is there a way of doing this?
Ideally I would like to be able to simply change the ID numbers on the rows concerned - but this is not an option as there is no access (that I can find) to the ID numbers - so that the Calendar is automatically sorted in chronological order.
Am I missing something??
Would very much appreciated your advice and/or shared knowledge about this.
Kind regards,
Pamela

Lavon,

Duane wrote:

If you have a premium group, you should be able to,

I forgot about that.

n.b.: that change would affect all of the member's other group subscriptions. "With great power comes great responsibility."

Shal


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Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

CHANGE: Changed summary and digest subject lines to include the group
subject tag and to use the group title, if one is set.

Still getting used to this, but I think I like it. More exposure for group titles.

Having the tag there might simplify filtering group messages into an email folder - now Individual, Digest, or Summary can be filtered with the same subject tag.


Comments about these are welcome:

CHANGE: Updates to /feed page based on feed ... back.
BUGFIX: The hover display of all day, multi-day events was off by one
day on the ending day.
INTERNAL: Increased concurrency of the digest generation process.
CHANGE: Changed title of Topics page to just 'Topics.'
BUGFIX: Generated ICS files for repeating events ending on a specific
day didn't work correctly in Google Calendar (the last event
instance was left out).
NEW: When deleting calendar events, you have the option to send a
message to the group. The message contains the necessary ICS file to
propagate the change to other calendars.
CHANGE: ICS feeds no longer including canceled events. This is the
proper way to handle them.
SYSADMIN: Switched to a different DNS resolver/cache system.
CHANGE: For premium/enterprise groups, don't automatically add events
from messages when the events are cancelled.
SYSADMIN: More monitoring of digest generation queue.
CHANGE: Upgraded to latest version of file upload dialog widget.
CHANGE: Dashes are no longer converted to underscores in filenames of
uploaded files/photos.
CHANGE: Allow periods in subgroup names.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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Gene,

Wondering if that functionality is possible using subgroups?

Yes, I think.

We would like for members of the main group to be able to email the
members of the subgroup.

Under Message Policies there's a relatively new checkbox to "Allow Parent Subscribers to Post", that should do the trick.

Also, in the Visibility control for the subgroup (in the Privacy section of its Settings page) you can control whether or not primary group members can see the Messages archive of the subgroup. Careful with that: if you restrict it to subgroup members only that's a one-way change, you can't make it more visible (to primary or public) later.

All members of the subgroup would receive that email.

Each member of the subgroup has a Subscription page for the subgroup that is distinct from their primary group subscription. It gives them the full set of controls for receiving individual, digest, or no email, etc. from the subgroup.

Members of the subgroup could then discuss how to address the email by
emailing each other within the subgroup.

That's normal posting to the subgroup by subgroup members.

Then one member can respond to the member of the main group. The
response would appear to come from the display name for the subgroup
email address, not the email address of the particular subgroup member
sending the response.

This part I haven't tested and am unsure of.

The primary group member's posting in the subgroup should have the reply option to make it a Private reply to that person. But that reply would be sent as from the address of the subgroup member that replied.

Maybe there needs to be a suggestion (in beta) to improve the choices there. I think some good choices would include the posting address of the subgroup as well as the +owner address of the subgroup.

If the responding member of the subgroup happens to be a moderator of the primary group that person could respond through the primary group's Members list, using its +owner address. But that's not likely to be what you want either.

What I would probably do, as the responder in the subgroup, is reply to the primary group member using my personal email, in Thunderbird. There I can attach a "Reply-To" header field to the reply which would cause the primary group member's reply (if any) to go back to the subgroup posting address.

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Marcia,

Is there a way to add a column to the Member's listings page?

No. But that seems like a desirable feature.

One thing that can be done is that each member's page has a Notes tab. There you can enter whatever text you want about that member. Unfortunately no part of that shows in the list itself. In fact there's no indication elsewhere of whether a member has a note or not.

Maybe we can work up a suggestion to post in beta (the Groups.io "suggestion box") as to how this can be improved. If you have some ideas to flesh out this question as a suggestion please reply here. I'll think about some ideas and reply here later.

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Lavon,

Where do we go to set the new members joining have to be approved by
us first and not join and be approved???

Further to what Andy said:

In the Spam Control section of the group's Settings page the checkbox "Restricted Membership" will convert the button on the home page from "Join" to "Apply", it also changes the behavior of the email +subscribe command. With this box checked people apply for membership, and show up in the group's Pending Members list. From there a group moderator must approve or reject them.

In that same section is the "New Users Moderated" checkbox. This controls message postings by a member, and may be used instead of (or with) restricted membership. When a new member joins (or is approved) their messages are moderated until either the required number of consecutive messages have been approved or a moderator manually changes their Posting Privileges to "Use Group Moderation Setting".

Shal


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Our group would like to create a collaborative inbox, or shared inbox, similar to an IT help desk email. ?Wondering if that functionality is possible using subgroups?

We would like for members of the main group to be able to email the members of the subgroup. ?All members of the subgroup would receive that email. ?Members of the subgroup could then discuss how to address the email by emailing each other within the subgroup. ?Then one member can respond to the member of the main group. ?The response would appear to come from the display name for the subgroup email address, not the email address of the particular subgroup member sending the response.

Not sure if all that is possible.

Thank you for any advice and guidance.

Gene

I was curious about the website mentioned, Have I been pwned, but sometimes free sites that offer to help fix problems are actually the ones causing them. Wolves in sheep's clothing, so to speak. Anyway, I Googled the site and found it recommended in a news article by Forbes business magazine. Forbes is pretty reliable so I decided to give it a try. I went to the site, entered my email address in the search box and came up with a clean bill of health.

tommy0421

Hi Lavon,

have a look in your group settings under Admin > Settings? and then see the Spam Control section.

I also recommend that you read this group's Wiki as there is lots of useful information in there.? The section on Member Management may answer additional questions you will have:

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/home

Regards,
Andy

On 3/14/2019 7:19 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

Frank,
I believe most people that have this problem are using gmail or a
Google-hosted domain (presumably the same infrastructure).
My experience using Gmail with Groups.io has been excellent, Jim's comments notwithstanding. Gmail's filters almost never classify something I wanted as Spam, or vice-versa.
I don't know if using a hosted domain makes things different for you.

One more data point: I have a regular Gmail account and a Google hosted domain account, both subscribed to different lists at groups.io, and I don't have spam problems with either one.

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Hi Linda,

just hover your mouse over the date and it shows the time too.

Andy


[mod note: oops, crossed in the pending list]