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Hi all,

This week's change log:



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CHANGE: Changed summary and digest subject lines to include the group
subject tag and to use the group title, if one is set.

Still getting used to this, but I think I like it. More exposure for group titles.

Having the tag there might simplify filtering group messages into an email folder - now Individual, Digest, or Summary can be filtered with the same subject tag.


Comments about these are welcome:

CHANGE: Updates to /feed page based on feed ... back.
BUGFIX: The hover display of all day, multi-day events was off by one
day on the ending day.
INTERNAL: Increased concurrency of the digest generation process.
CHANGE: Changed title of Topics page to just 'Topics.'
BUGFIX: Generated ICS files for repeating events ending on a specific
day didn't work correctly in Google Calendar (the last event
instance was left out).
NEW: When deleting calendar events, you have the option to send a
message to the group. The message contains the necessary ICS file to
propagate the change to other calendars.
CHANGE: ICS feeds no longer including canceled events. This is the
proper way to handle them.
SYSADMIN: Switched to a different DNS resolver/cache system.
CHANGE: For premium/enterprise groups, don't automatically add events
from messages when the events are cancelled.
SYSADMIN: More monitoring of digest generation queue.
CHANGE: Upgraded to latest version of file upload dialog widget.
CHANGE: Dashes are no longer converted to underscores in filenames of
uploaded files/photos.
CHANGE: Allow periods in subgroup names.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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Gene,

Wondering if that functionality is possible using subgroups?

Yes, I think.

We would like for members of the main group to be able to email the
members of the subgroup.

Under Message Policies there's a relatively new checkbox to "Allow Parent Subscribers to Post", that should do the trick.

Also, in the Visibility control for the subgroup (in the Privacy section of its Settings page) you can control whether or not primary group members can see the Messages archive of the subgroup. Careful with that: if you restrict it to subgroup members only that's a one-way change, you can't make it more visible (to primary or public) later.

All members of the subgroup would receive that email.

Each member of the subgroup has a Subscription page for the subgroup that is distinct from their primary group subscription. It gives them the full set of controls for receiving individual, digest, or no email, etc. from the subgroup.

Members of the subgroup could then discuss how to address the email by
emailing each other within the subgroup.

That's normal posting to the subgroup by subgroup members.

Then one member can respond to the member of the main group. The
response would appear to come from the display name for the subgroup
email address, not the email address of the particular subgroup member
sending the response.

This part I haven't tested and am unsure of.

The primary group member's posting in the subgroup should have the reply option to make it a Private reply to that person. But that reply would be sent as from the address of the subgroup member that replied.

Maybe there needs to be a suggestion (in beta) to improve the choices there. I think some good choices would include the posting address of the subgroup as well as the +owner address of the subgroup.

If the responding member of the subgroup happens to be a moderator of the primary group that person could respond through the primary group's Members list, using its +owner address. But that's not likely to be what you want either.

What I would probably do, as the responder in the subgroup, is reply to the primary group member using my personal email, in Thunderbird. There I can attach a "Reply-To" header field to the reply which would cause the primary group member's reply (if any) to go back to the subgroup posting address.

Shal


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Marcia,

Is there a way to add a column to the Member's listings page?

No. But that seems like a desirable feature.

One thing that can be done is that each member's page has a Notes tab. There you can enter whatever text you want about that member. Unfortunately no part of that shows in the list itself. In fact there's no indication elsewhere of whether a member has a note or not.

Maybe we can work up a suggestion to post in beta (the Groups.io "suggestion box") as to how this can be improved. If you have some ideas to flesh out this question as a suggestion please reply here. I'll think about some ideas and reply here later.

Shal


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Lavon,

Where do we go to set the new members joining have to be approved by
us first and not join and be approved???

Further to what Andy said:

In the Spam Control section of the group's Settings page the checkbox "Restricted Membership" will convert the button on the home page from "Join" to "Apply", it also changes the behavior of the email +subscribe command. With this box checked people apply for membership, and show up in the group's Pending Members list. From there a group moderator must approve or reject them.

In that same section is the "New Users Moderated" checkbox. This controls message postings by a member, and may be used instead of (or with) restricted membership. When a new member joins (or is approved) their messages are moderated until either the required number of consecutive messages have been approved or a moderator manually changes their Posting Privileges to "Use Group Moderation Setting".

Shal


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Our group would like to create a collaborative inbox, or shared inbox, similar to an IT help desk email. ?Wondering if that functionality is possible using subgroups?

We would like for members of the main group to be able to email the members of the subgroup. ?All members of the subgroup would receive that email. ?Members of the subgroup could then discuss how to address the email by emailing each other within the subgroup. ?Then one member can respond to the member of the main group. ?The response would appear to come from the display name for the subgroup email address, not the email address of the particular subgroup member sending the response.

Not sure if all that is possible.

Thank you for any advice and guidance.

Gene

I was curious about the website mentioned, Have I been pwned, but sometimes free sites that offer to help fix problems are actually the ones causing them. Wolves in sheep's clothing, so to speak. Anyway, I Googled the site and found it recommended in a news article by Forbes business magazine. Forbes is pretty reliable so I decided to give it a try. I went to the site, entered my email address in the search box and came up with a clean bill of health.

tommy0421

Hi Lavon,

have a look in your group settings under Admin > Settings? and then see the Spam Control section.

I also recommend that you read this group's Wiki as there is lots of useful information in there.? The section on Member Management may answer additional questions you will have:

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/home

Regards,
Andy

On 3/14/2019 7:19 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

Frank,
I believe most people that have this problem are using gmail or a
Google-hosted domain (presumably the same infrastructure).
My experience using Gmail with Groups.io has been excellent, Jim's comments notwithstanding. Gmail's filters almost never classify something I wanted as Spam, or vice-versa.
I don't know if using a hosted domain makes things different for you.

One more data point: I have a regular Gmail account and a Google hosted domain account, both subscribed to different lists at groups.io, and I don't have spam problems with either one.

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Bill

Hi Linda,

just hover your mouse over the date and it shows the time too.

Andy


[mod note: oops, crossed in the pending list]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 11:05 AM, Jim Higgins wrote:

Of course, the instructions have to make it past the GMail spam filter... :-(

Or, as owner, they can download their members' email addresses and send the mail from their personal email address to get around the blockage of groups.io's transmissions by the receivers.
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Founder, Fuchs Friends??
Founder & Executive Director,?

Thanks, Shal.? I am unfamiliar with that web site, so wanted to make sure it wasn't somehow related to groups.io.? I shared this info with the group, and also the little piece of info about web site hosts.? I'm aware of that, but many of my list members as I've mentioned in the past, as not very computer savvy.? So, panic averted on the list.? Good grief.
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I discovered if you put the cursor over the date the time will show as well

Linda

Received from Frank Greco at 3/15/2019 02:31 AM UTC:

Clearly I can train my gmail's ML back-end to recognize the emails as legitimate. However this does not address the other users out there; some don't even know they have an email from our group because its in their SPAM folder. Any suggestions are more than welcome.

The problem isn't with Groups.io so there's nothing that can be done on the Groups.io end of things... and Google isn't going to change as far as overly aggressive spam filtering goes... so I suggest that since you know how to check your spam folder and how to mark good messages found there as not spam... that you educate your users on how to do the same. Even if some/many of them are no more tech savvy than a brick, they should be able to follow step by step (click by click) instructions... and will be far more inclined to do so if told at the same time that it isn't a Groups.io problem and that following those instructions is their only hope for improvement.

Of course, the instructions have to make it past the GMail spam filter... :-(

Jim H

I'm not disagreeing with what you described. However, the article you referenced is from 2008 and I don't find the conclusions applicable today. IMHO, I find that Gmail does a good enough job at Spam filtering that I don't see a need to use an outboard filter. My Outlook 2010 PC client also gives me access to the Gmail Spam folder for when I look at email in Outlook.

Your mileage may vary of course.

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I am trying to figure out what time certain posts got posted.? If I look at today's postings it says a time but if I look at yesterday and beyond it only gives the date....is the time not available after the day has passed?

Linda Perry