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Re: Groups.io mail still going into SPAM folder

 

Hi Frank,

I've had this issue with my business email, unfortunately it's google being google.

All my business emails are sent from a fully authenticated (DKIM, SPF and DMARC) professional anti spam service with a great IP reputation, yet in GMail 90% of our emails end up in SPAM.

Kind regards,


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On 14 mars 2019 ¨¤ 16:47, Frank Greco < fgreco@... > a ¨¦crit?:

We're getting a lot of the members in our mailing list (8.5K+) reporting email is going into their spam folders.? I'm experiencing the same thing and my email is hosting by Google (with my own domain).

I believe most people that have this problem are using gmail or a Google-hosted domain (presumably the same infrastructure).

Is there anything we can do to alleviate this problem?? Are the DKIM certs up to date?

Frank


Re: Why does groups.io allow one to...

 

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 01:39 PM, Steve wrote:
like their own posts?????!?
Beats me. Facebook does, too.
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Why does groups.io allow one to...

 

like their own posts?????!?


Groups.io mail still going into SPAM folder

 

We're getting a lot of the members in our mailing list (8.5K+) reporting email is going into their spam folders.? I'm experiencing the same thing and my email is hosting by Google (with my own domain).

I believe most people that have this problem are using gmail or a Google-hosted domain (presumably the same infrastructure).

Is there anything we can do to alleviate this problem?? Are the DKIM certs up to date?

Frank


Re: Creating an alias

Mike Cohen
 

Shal,
Hard for me to express how much I appreciate your detailed responses.? Simply put...Thank You !!
The two names in the screenshot are myself (Owner) and the person who will take over if I get hit by a bus.? The default is to have the first message moderated.? I override that for most members.? Fortunately, we have never had an unwanted posting.
Not my first choice, but I will encourage the dozen or so members who use Winlink and cannot add a Winlink alias to add a subscription, like I did.
Thanks again.
Mike


On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:03 AM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Mike,


Any suggestions for how others could be searched and deleted?

You cannot.

An account is not a subscription. What you can find in your Members list are subscriptions, but those same email addresses may have subscriptions in any number of other groups. Or no groups. Which is how there may be Winlink addresses which are registered (have accounts) but do not appear in your group's Members list.

Only the account owner can delete the account.

I see from your screenshot that those two addresses are not listed as NC, meaning that they are confirmed, meaning that the holder of that address can receive messages sent to that address (unless you used Direct Add to put them there, or unless you manually confirmed the address, both of which are Premium features).

Being able to receive messages at that address is a good thing: it means that the member can use the Email me a link to log in button to log in for one last time to delete the account, even if he/she never set a password for the account.

By the way, I also see that they have the P badge, meaning that their subscription Posting Privilege is set to Override: not moderated. I generally recommend against using that setting for most members. If it is your intent to have most members in your group un-moderated it is better to choose the Default Group policy privilege for most members and uncheck Moderated in the Spam Control section of your group's Settings page. That way you can quench a flame war or other disturbance in the group at need by simply checking the Moderated box, and then unchecking it again after things quiet down. Since you are forced to choose at least one in the Spam Control section, check New Users Moderated instead.

Shal



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Re: email address from sender

Jim Higgins
 

Received from Shal Farley at 3/13/2019 10:35 PM UTC:

It isn't done that way because that's not what an email list is. I would argue that use cases that require privacy at the level of not even exposing an email address are likely use cases that would find a better home using a web forum or some other means of communication.

Yes! All that plus complete anonymity helps to enable the bad behavior that the OP expressed a passing concern about. People who can't hide their identity will tend to be more polite than those who can.

Jim H


Re: Getting at the raw email text

 

Ah, one more important thing to note:

Ultimately what we need are individual patch mbox files that we can
apply with "git-am", that is, step (7).

If groups.io allows us to download the "raw" variant of each email
that they display on the WebUI, we could likely jump to step (7) at
once. The rest of the steps are really just working around gnu
mailman.

Cheers,
Stephano

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 7:39 AM Stephano Cetola <stephanoc@...> wrote:

Hey Shal,

Sorry for the slow responses. I'm working with folks in the UK so the
timezone shift with questions is fun. :)

Here is the the process my owners are trying to reproduce (how they
work with GNU Mailman):

(1) download the compressed mailbox file for the month I'm interested
in, such as
(2) decompress the file: gunzip 2019-February.txt.gz
(3) make sure that my INBOX is currently empty
(4) use the "mb2md" utility to split the mailbox into individual
message files, and place them in my local $HOME/Maildir directory:
mb2md -s 2019-February.txt
(5) Now my INBOX is filled with the edk2-devel messages & threads from
February 2019. I use the normal Thunderbird functionality to delete
everything that I don't want.
(6) The remaining messages are what I'm interested in. For example, I
can save individual patches or series of patches to local *.eml files,
with Ctrl+S.
(7) Once I have the *.eml files, I can apply them to my local edk2
clone with "git-am".

Let me know if you have any questions on that workflow. It is very
helpful when trying to retrieve old patches that aren't in your
personal archive somewhere.

Cheers,
Stephano

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:17 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Stephano,

> My "owners" can view the source:
>
> /g/somegroup/original/15512
>
> Is there a way for my owners to also see the raw email text?

The View Source item in the More menu is the way to see the raw message
header and body text.

It sounds like you're looking for something else, but I'm not sure what.
Can you elaborate on what you're hoping to see?

Shal


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Re: Getting at the raw email text

 

Hey Shal,

Sorry for the slow responses. I'm working with folks in the UK so the
timezone shift with questions is fun. :)

Here is the the process my owners are trying to reproduce (how they
work with GNU Mailman):

(1) download the compressed mailbox file for the month I'm interested
in, such as
(2) decompress the file: gunzip 2019-February.txt.gz
(3) make sure that my INBOX is currently empty
(4) use the "mb2md" utility to split the mailbox into individual
message files, and place them in my local $HOME/Maildir directory:
mb2md -s 2019-February.txt
(5) Now my INBOX is filled with the edk2-devel messages & threads from
February 2019. I use the normal Thunderbird functionality to delete
everything that I don't want.
(6) The remaining messages are what I'm interested in. For example, I
can save individual patches or series of patches to local *.eml files,
with Ctrl+S.
(7) Once I have the *.eml files, I can apply them to my local edk2
clone with "git-am".

Let me know if you have any questions on that workflow. It is very
helpful when trying to retrieve old patches that aren't in your
personal archive somewhere.

Cheers,
Stephano

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:17 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Stephano,

> My "owners" can view the source:
>
> /g/somegroup/original/15512
>
> Is there a way for my owners to also see the raw email text?

The View Source item in the More menu is the way to see the raw message
header and body text.

It sounds like you're looking for something else, but I'm not sure what.
Can you elaborate on what you're hoping to see?

Shal


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Re: Customizing home page

 

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 02:38 PM, Major wrote:
Being brand new to groups, I was curious to see if there is a way to customize the he page.
In Settings, the Group Description field is an html editor. I believe it is the same editor used for wiki entries; and within limits, you can insert quite a few html constructs here, including images. Click on "Show Advanced Toolbar" and then "Source Code" (both at the far right of the toolbars) to get to raw html.

If you insert a horizontal rule followed by an img tag with the [deprecated construct] of align="right" below it you can get the Group Information and Group Settings to wrap on the left...good for putting in a logo or something like that. See the attached screenshot for an example.

There are many limitations, though. Among the things that are disallowed are web forms, javascript or other scripting languages, and iframes. A lot of inline styles are stripped upon save, too. You'll just have to fiddle with it to figure out what you can and cannot do.
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Hope this helps,
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Re: member approved by accident

 

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 09:41 PM, Su wrote:
How would I set up something like that?
You would have to set that up on a separate web site. Web form constructs are stripped from groups.io wiki entries.?

Regards,
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Re: suddenly many yahoo.com members are bouncing, but not all of them

Yvette Money
 

My group has 97 members who use yahoo.com but luckily only one is bouncing.? I see the same error code listed above and it started on March 8th also...
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Re: Creating an alias

 

Mike,


Any suggestions for how others could be searched and deleted?

You cannot.

An account is not a subscription. What you can find in your Members list are subscriptions, but those same email addresses may have subscriptions in any number of other groups. Or no groups. Which is how there may be Winlink addresses which are registered (have accounts) but do not appear in your group's Members list.

Only the account owner can delete the account.

I see from your screenshot that those two addresses are not listed as NC, meaning that they are confirmed, meaning that the holder of that address can receive messages sent to that address (unless you used Direct Add to put them there, or unless you manually confirmed the address, both of which are Premium features).

Being able to receive messages at that address is a good thing: it means that the member can use the Email me a link to log in button to log in for one last time to delete the account, even if he/she never set a password for the account.

By the way, I also see that they have the P badge, meaning that their subscription Posting Privilege is set to Override: not moderated. I generally recommend against using that setting for most members. If it is your intent to have most members in your group un-moderated it is better to choose the Default Group policy privilege for most members and uncheck Moderated in the Spam Control section of your group's Settings page. That way you can quench a flame war or other disturbance in the group at need by simply checking the Moderated box, and then unchecking it again after things quiet down. Since you are forced to choose at least one in the Spam Control section, check New Users Moderated instead.

Shal



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Re: Poll -- open answers not possible

 

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 08:41 PM, Steve wrote:
Am I correct that there is no way to run a poll, but give members the opportunity to type in whatever they wish
No, the closest you can come is to have Other as an option, but that doesn't allow any input.

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Re: Change members email address

 

On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 07:39 PM, Lavon wrote:
Can I as an owner/moderator change a members email address for them as requested???
If you have a premium group, you should be able to,

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Re: Poll -- open answers not possible

 

Steve, are you asking whether you can just let members type in a reply? No, you can't. You must give them options to choose.
However you can let them select more than one.
I just created a poll earlier today. I found the last time that people replied to the poll email and therefore the poll didn't calculate how many answers for each.?

So I wrote these instructions in the description / question spot along with the question - finding a date for an annual event:

Please tick off all choices that make work for you. But please DON'T click on reply in your email program. If you do that, we can't really make use of the polling feature.?
?
Instead: ?Click on Vote Now.?It will take you to the group homepage and the poll.
?
Don¡¯t have a password? Click on Email me a link.
?
It will come in your email - it might go into your junk mailbox by mistake.
Vote in the poll.
Then click on Vote to register it.
?
Want to add a comment? Make a suggestion?
You can go back to the poll and click on Reply. Or start a new topic.
You can also see how others have voted. (This is an option when setting up the poll.)

The choices I offered were 4 dates, plus?
None of those dates work for me. (Please send a suggestion or comment.) ?
I don't think I can make it this year.

For more information, see:

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Polls

Frances

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Poll -- open answers not possible

 

Am I correct that there is no way to run a poll, but give members the opportunity to type in whatever they wish, eg rather than fixed answers?


Re: member approved by accident

 

Thank you both for your suggestions.

Bob, is a webform of the sort you describe an option within Groups.io? How would I set up something like that?

Su


Re: Change members email address

Lavon
 

Shals
Thank you for getting back to me so fast,? I would be waiting this time next month to hear from Yahoo with an answer.
Lavon

In a message dated 3/13/2019 5:59:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, shals2nd@... writes:

Lavon,


Can I as an owner/moderator change a members email address for them as requested???

No,

To properly maintain their subscription they must do that through their Account page.

They could join again (or you could Invite/Add them) under their new address, but that would be a new subscription -- a whole new person as far as Groups.io is concerned. Then you could remove their old address from your Members list.

Shal


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Re: Creating an alias

Mike Cohen
 

Shal,
When I search [email protected] for "", I only get two members.
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Any suggestions for how others could be searched and deleted?
Mike


On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 8:59 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Mike,


We don't understand why some aliases are accepted and others are shown as Already Registered.

Same answer as before.

The affected people already logged into Groups.io using their Winlink address, or they used the +subscribe email address From their Winlink address to create a membership in your group (or some other group). Either of those actions creates a Groups.io account with that as its primary address (meaning it logs in using that address).

Either way, the Groups.io account which logs in using that Winlink address must be deleted before the address is free to be used as an Alias for another account. There cannot be two accounts claiming the same email address.

Shal


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Re: Creating an alias

 

Mike,


We don't understand why some aliases are accepted and others are shown as Already Registered.

Same answer as before.

The affected people already logged into Groups.io using their Winlink address, or they used the +subscribe email address From their Winlink address to create a membership in your group (or some other group). Either of those actions creates a Groups.io account with that as its primary address (meaning it logs in using that address).

Either way, the Groups.io account which logs in using that Winlink address must be deleted before the address is free to be used as an Alias for another account. There cannot be two accounts claiming the same email address.

Shal


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