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Re: Honoring original Message-IDs in reflected messages

 

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 3:04 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

What would the feature be?

You can already turn off the Message-ID substitution, with the downside that Gmail will not place the returned message in your Inbox (IIRC it does show as a second copy in your Sent folder). Or you can leave it on, with the downside that your user interface might have wanted to use the Message-ID for threading. I don't see that there's anything else Groups.io can do for you.
Hmm, perhaps I'm misunderstanding the issue. Is there a way to turn
off the Message-ID substitution, but still have Groups.io send *all*
emails to my account (including those sent by me)?

Cheers,
Stephano


Re: Message Edit

 

Bruce


I now suspect that some group setting may be affecting it.

Or perhaps the user's Posting Privileges. Edits require moderation if performed by a member and a post by that member would require moderation. Perhaps that's somehow messing up the web interface for a moderator attempting to Save and Send.

Shal


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Re: Honoring original Message-IDs in reflected messages

 

Stephano,


What do you recommend for a workaround for those who like the feature
(I always want copies of my own emails) but whose MUA works correctly?

I'm not the best person to ask, I tend not to use Thunderbird's thread view, and particularly not the Gmail web interface "Conversations" view. I'm happy just to have my messages land in the Inbox so that I can easily put them into my GMF folder (in Thunderbird's Local Folders) along with other people's messages.
Thoughts? Perhaps a feature request?

What would the feature be?

You can already turn off the Message-ID substitution, with the downside that Gmail will not place the returned message in your Inbox (IIRC it does show as a second copy in your Sent folder). Or you can leave it on, with the downside that your user interface might have wanted to use the Message-ID for threading. I don't see that there's anything else Groups.io can do for you.

Shal

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Re: Message Edit

 

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 04:32 PM, Andy W wrote:
I've just tested the same with Chrome and Windows 10 and the message edit is not saved and sent despite the message at the top of the screen saying so.
Like Gerald, I have been unable to reproduce this problem, using the same OS/browser combo.

At the time, I assumed that Mark was just quick to fix it...I now suspect that some group setting may be affecting it.

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Bruce?
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Re: Message Edit

 

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 08:04 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
I?just tested the?feature using a Chrome browser on Windows 10
I've just tested the same with Chrome and Windows 10 and the message edit is not saved and sent despite the message at the top of the screen saying so.? Another indication that it has not worked is that the message is not flagged as 'Edited'.? ?As before, Save and Don't Send works fine and the message is flagged as edited.

Andy?


fyi: Update, on Earthlink and Groups.io

 

Folks: One quick update to the Earthlink-and-Groups.io saga that I've recently posted about.

A couple of days ago, I sent a feedback message to Earthlink, asking them to whitelist Groups.io because emails sent from 66.175.222.12 were definitely not Spam.

Just now, someone from Earthlink actually called me to follow up on my message. I talked through the things I was experiencing -- and emphasized the points that Groups.io admins recently cited on this forum: Groups.io emails are definitely not Spam; if Earthlink wouldn't block Yahoogroups or Google Groups emails, then it shouldn't block Groups.io; and the Groups.io IP addy should be whitelisted.

The customer service rep on the phone seemed to understand what I was trying to express ... so ... hopefully, we won't have to revisit this topic <<fingers crossed>>

:-)

Regards.
Junu Kim


Re: Unable to upload files #files

 

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:59 PM, Andy W wrote:
Admin > Billing for a main group
I'll clarify my previous post

It's Admin > Billing for a premium (paid for) plan and as Bruce said, Admin > Upgrade for a basic (free) plan.

Andy


Re: Message Edit

Gerald Boutin
 

On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 07:21 PM, Will Teagarden wrote:
Hello,

I am having a bit of a problem with the edit message feature. I tried to edit one of the messages of my group earlier this evening and when I clicked on Save and Send to Group it did nothing. If I clicked Save and Don't Send it saved the updates. Is there something I'm doing wrong?

Thanks,
I?just tested the?feature using a Chrome browser on Windows 10 and it is working properly here.?The edited message is now shown online and emails go out to subscribers.

Is the issue reproducible?
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Re: Honoring original Message-IDs in reflected messages

 

Interesting. I think I understand.

What do you recommend for a workaround for those who like the feature
(I always want copies of my own emails) but whose MUA works correctly?

They *could* have their MUA copy the message to the proper thread
(directory), but that does not guarantee the massage was received and
processed by the list.

Thoughts? Perhaps a feature request?

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 10:50 AM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Stephano,



Is there a way to stop groups.io from altering the Message-ID in
reflected emails?

Groups.io normally passes the Message-ID unaltered. The exception is for users who have selected I always want copies of my own emails in their Account Preference.That feature was created as a work-around for Gmail users specifically, Gmail uses the Message-ID to "hide" the returned message from the user (because the ID already appears as "sent").

Only that user receives the replaced Message-ID, and only for messages where he/she was the original sender.

There is no group-wide way of controlling this. It is an account (not subscription) setting for each user.

Shal


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Re: Honoring original Message-IDs in reflected messages

 

Stephano,
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Is there a way to stop from altering the Message-ID in
reflected emails?
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Groups.io normally passes the Message-ID unaltered. The exception is for users who have selected I always want copies of my own emails in their Account Preference.That feature was created as a work-around for Gmail users specifically, Gmail uses the Message-ID to "hide" the returned message from the user (because the ID already appears as "sent").

Only that user receives the replaced Message-ID, and only for messages where he/she was the original sender.

There is no group-wide way of controlling this. It is an account (not subscription) setting for each user.
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Shal
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Honoring original Message-IDs in reflected messages

 

I'm evaluating Groups.io as a possible platform for TianoCore:



One issue that we've come up with is in regards to message threading,
specifically how the Message-ID seems to be changed for some reflected
emails.

I believe the issue I'm seeing is discussed here:

/g/GroupManagersForum/message/8420

If I select "I always want copies of my own emails" in my user
preferences, it does indeed send me messages, which is good. :)

However, as mentioned in the above thread, Groups.io seems to be
changing the Message-ID field. For example, if I send a message to the
list and CC another list member, then compare message IDs I see:

Message-ID from CC'd member: <SOME_HASH@EMAIL-DOMAIN>
Message-ID from reflected email: <[email protected]>


This might be great for gmail users, but for those MUAs that actually
honor proper threading, this feature breaks threading.

Is there a way to stop groups.io from altering the Message-ID in
reflected emails?

Cheers,
Stephano


Re: Another Photo Album issue.

 

Thank you Gerald for the suggestion. ?However, it¡¯s something I regularly do (Firefox 64 on Windows 10)

Regards

Peter


Re: Unable to upload files #files

Martin
 

Hi All,

Thanks for the information, before posting I'd used the FAQ and searched for the answer to no avail.

"See Admin>Upgrade for your actual usage" - Ah that's why I couldn't find the total usage anywhere, it's not where I'd expected it to be :-)

That's been a great help, so thanks again to all who replied.

Regards,

Martin



Re: "Emailed Photo Album" issue.

 

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 04:38 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
The affected email message will afterward display an "edited" tag.
Can I add that if you click on the Edited tag, you get a screen where you can compare revisions to a message.? You also get an entry in the activity log when a message has been edited.

Andy


Re: Message Edit

 

Thanks Andy. I thought it may be just me


On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:00, Andy W
<andy_wedge@...> wrote:
Hi Will,
I clicked on Save and Send to Group it did nothing. If I clicked Save and Don't Send it saved the updates
I've just done a test on one of my groups and I get the same results as you. This would appear to be a bug so I'd raise it with [email protected]

Regards,
Andy


Re: "Emailed Photo Album" issue.

 

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 10:59 AM, CW Bill Rouse wrote:
The "Emailed Photo Album" does not allow Owner or Moderator editing of the photo name, or moving of the photo.

Am I correct?
You are correct. I believe the reason is that such action would adversely affect database relationships with the associated post in the message archive.

You can, however, delete a photo from Emailed Photos. The affected email message will afterward display an "edited" tag.

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Bruce
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Re: Message Edit

 

Hi Will,
I clicked on Save and Send to Group it did nothing. If I clicked Save and Don't Send it saved the updates
I've just done a test on one of my groups and I get the same results as you. This would appear to be a bug so I'd raise it with [email protected]

Regards,
Andy


"Emailed Photo Album" issue.

 

The "Emailed Photo Album" does not allow Owner or Moderator editing of the photo name, or moving of the photo.

Am I correct?
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Re: Can a Groups.io be used as a For Sale sit?

 

We have a subgroup which is for selling items. ?People can opt-into the subgroup and post an?item for sale, including pictures if wanted. ?People then contact the individual privately for completing the transaction. ?It does not have a way to deal with the financial side of the sale, it just puts sellers and buyers in touch with each other.?

Peace,
Tom


Re: Can a Groups.io be used as a For Sale sit?

 

On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 08:38 PM, ray_r.rm wrote:
So is there a way to have a For Sale/Want ads within Groups.io?
This is on the TODO list as a possibility, but isn't a high priority.? https://trello.com/c/6Wb7a5lZ/256-marketplace-type-section

For now, you'd could upload photos, then create the ad with a link to them, or embed photos in the message.

On a couple of my groups, we do have things for sale now and then.? I created the hashtag #ForSale with settings that cause replies to me moderated, as well as deleting the topic after 30 days.? You could also use the property to cause replies to go to the originator.? There are Freecycle type groups that do this regularly.? If photos weren't embedded, they'd need to be deleted manually.

Duane
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