I don't know about that option but one way that might be easy to do is with a special hashtag.
Its usefulness will likely depend on whether you allow members to create hashtags or not.

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On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 05:39 PM, Duane wrote:

If you kept up with the beta group and the Trello list

I only have so many hours in the day.? ?It would be nice if Mark occasionally posted the things actively being worked on and the "top 20" of the To Do list on beta.

In any case, what I'm bitching about is an essential feature and I'm agog that it's just not there and has been "not there" for this long.
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I did look in the Admin options and didn't see such a thing, but I'm wondering if by any chance there is an option to have the default for a certain subject be "reply to sender only" while keeping the default as "reply to group" for all other topics.

I'm guessing this is too specific of a wish and doesn't exist, but no harm in asking.

Thank you.
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 12:18 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I find it absolutely insane that there is not a web-side interface for messaging in a group.

If you kept up with the beta group and the Trello list, you'd see that this has been discussed and is on the TODO list.

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On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 12:16 PM, Cherry Delaney wrote:

I am indeed deleting topics which contain attachments. Those do work against my totals.

The last I heard, attachments weren't transferred from YG!? Has that changed?? Or did you do a 'special' transfer from another service?

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On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 01:16 PM, D R Stinson wrote:

The real problem is with spam filters that are so poor that they are worthless.

We'll have to disagree on that.? ?Spam filtering, when done *correctly* has been raised to an art form in the age of Bayesian filtering.? ?I haven't had a single message misidentified as spam by Google under Gmail in I cannot recall how long (many years).

Even when I was using Popfile way back when, a personally controlled Bayesian filter, the speed with which it learned how to correctly identify spam was mind boggling.

The problem now is that many e-mail service providers are not "filtering on reports."? ?It would be a simple matter, once Mark (or anyone) notified an e-mail provider that Groups.io is a subscription service, for them to put a permanent exclusion on classifying anything that comes from *@*.groups.io as spam.? The problem is that they don't have human beings taking the time to actually do that.

End users are well known to run the gamut from complete idiots who think that spam marking is just the same as deleting to those who understand what all the distinctions and ramifications are.? ?Those in charge of spam filtering at large organizations should know that they cannot and should not rely on end-user reports, or feedback loops that result from them, as valid without doing a bit of further research.
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Also added this as an addendum, as I'd forgotten about the excellent information in the Group Managers Forum Wiki on this:
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By the way, for any of you who want to know more about what's happening and why, there is an excellent Wiki Page on the Group Managers Forum that gives you the skinny.? For those who want more of the background on this, the actual mechanisms involved, and what you can do about it, please read:

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The more our members know about what's happening, why, and what they can actually do about it the better!
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After the testing I've done, that conclusively proves that a response to a message sent to the group owner and is distributed to me goes back if replied to as coming from my personal e-mail address, I'll use the Admin Members function to look up the member, send a message and BCC it to myself.

I find it absolutely insane that there is not a web-side interface for messaging in a group.? Private messages to the Owner cannot be handled "naturally" when they're distributed to the actual owner's own e-mail inbox.? This is going around Jake's barn (as they say here in the Shenandoah Valley) to do what should be a no-brainer reply to a message sent to the group owner.

The fact that I can see and deal with messages for people trying to subscribe, etc., but not PMs direct to Owner in the web interface is a huge oversight.
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This topic spurred me on to post my first Admin Notice on a group where I have just been installed as moderator.? ?This is going on everywhere.? It is not an issue limited to Groups.io.? It is a direct result of the mechanisms described in the link posted by Bruce and again by Chris.

This is the cyber world we are in.? ?Individual users have to do their part to avoid these issues in the first place and, when they occur due to no direct action of their own, what they can and should do to at least attempt to bring the issue to a stop by communicating with their e-mail service providers.
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? ? ? ? ? ?First, let me say, that I know that many of you who've experienced this have not done this marking yourself.? ?If, however, you did, and you did it intentionally:? Please STOP!!? ?There are all sorts of mechanisms in place these days behind the scenes that feed information about messages marked by users as spam up to their e-mail service providers, that then gets shared among e-mail service providers, to create spam filters.? ? This is absolutely marvelous when messages are marked correctly, but if non-spam gets marked, then non-spam starts to get identified as spam by the e-mail service providers, leading everyone to have things blocked that they'd rather be getting.

? ? ? ? ? ?If you are not intentionally marking anything as spam, but are getting a message from Groups.io saying that you have been unsubscribed for marking a message as spam, this means that your own e-mail service provider is doing that marking, which is not a good thing.? Thus, I'm asking you to please make the effort to contact your e-mail service provider and ask them to remove anything that comes from any groups.io address from their spam filters.? ?The only way anyone should be getting messages from groups.io is if they went to the effort to subscribe, and by definition subscription e-mail lists cannot be spam.? You may get messages you don't want, and if they're few and far between, then delete them, but don't mark them as spam.

? ? ? ? ? ? If you are on any Groups.io group where traffic is substantial, and you don't want to deal with individual messages, you can change your subscription to digest to cut down on your traffic or use a number of controls provided to really limit what you're going to see from Groups.io for a given group.? I will post the instructions on what exists, and how to use it, here again now:

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? ? ? ? ? ? There has been a lot of recent conversation on a couple of the administrators groups about people being unsubscribed for having marked messages as spam, even when they personally have not done so.? ?I wanted you all to know why this is happening when you have not done any marking and what you can do to at least try to educate your e-mail service provider about Groups.io messages not being spam.

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?? Rosa - Rosa Tags ?? writes:

Yes, but if they are inactive and they do not write to the group …
as they can be expelled by Spam, if they do not write.
I do not understand the reason for the expulsion.
Thanks for your answer.

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The system is not saying your member sent spam.

The system is responding to a message that the member (or her email provider) marked as spam and that then wound up in her spam folder.

The deletion doesn't happen when the message gets marked. It actually happens when her spam folder gets emptied and the "spam" messages are deleted.

It could have been any message from groups.io that she (or her mail provider) marked as spam. It could have been something as simple as a welcome message you sent that has laid in her spam folder for a while, until the folder finally was emptied.

The root of the problem is not with groups.io or any other group. The real problem is with spam filters that are so poor that they are worthless. But responsible mail handlers are expected to have spam filters so they use something, even though it works very poorly.

The spam filter my own email provider uses is so poor that it has only once caught anything that could reasonably be called spam, and yet has let through dozens of real spam every year without tagging them.

Dano

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I am indeed deleting topics which contain attachments. Those do work against my totals.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 04:21 PM, ?? Rosa - Rosa Tags ?? wrote:

I do not understand the reason for the expulsion.

Rosa, I accept that English is not your first language, and that that complicates matters but did you read the GMF wiki that Bruce mentioned?

Here it is again:? /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam

Chris

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 12:28 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

As you have discovered, attempting to use the Directory for Admin functions will only lead to frustration.?

Indeed, and since the Members function under Admin covers "Members and More" were I designing the interface for Admins I would not present the Members function at all, particularly since the Members function is what's front and center, not hidden.

Now that I know what to do I'll do it, but one designs interfaces to encourage "what's natural" for the context and, for me, this violates that.
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:18 AM, David Haun wrote:

What I don't understand is why it is only groups.io where this is happening.? I have and use email accounts with Yahoo, JUNO, Gmail, plus FaceBook and Instagram, and none of them remove members for marking messages as SPAM.? David

You're not the first one to ask about this. This is explained in the wiki.?Wiki - SPAM Info

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On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 01:33 PM, Cherry Delaney wrote:

Does this sufficiently answer your concern for asking a different question??

Not really, no.

You keep referring to emails, but there are no emails to delete; OK that's perhaps being a bit pedantic, but you can either delete complete topics or individual messages within topics. Which is it?

If you want to delete complete topics then the advice Bruce provided should be followed. Go to your Account and set Items per Page to 50 or 100; it's probably set to the default of 20 at the moment. Then go to the Topics view of your group, and add -test to the URL and refresh the page to enter that (trial) mode.I suggest that you then go to the oldest pages of the topics list. Each Topic will have a check box beside it; Check the topics you want to delete, or click the "check box on its own" at the top to select all the topics on that page. Then click on the red Delete button at the top and confirm the decision.? A complete page of topics will disappear for only a very few clicks.

IIRC the only downside is that after every deletion the topics view reverts to the newest page (i.e. 1) so you have have to go and find the oldest page of topics all over again.

If you want to do it "message by message" then I am afraid that you have made a rod for your own back.

Chris

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