Re: Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam?
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 04:21 PM, ?? Rosa - Rosa Tags ?? wrote:
I do not understand the reason for the expulsion.
Rosa, I accept that English is not your first language, and that that complicates matters but did you read the GMF wiki that Bruce mentioned? Here it is again:? /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam
Chris
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Re: Responding to Messages sent to Owner Email Address
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 12:28 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
As you have discovered, attempting to use the Directory for Admin functions will only lead to frustration.?
Indeed, and since the Members function under Admin covers "Members and More" were I designing the interface for Admins I would not present the Members function at all, particularly since the Members function is what's front and center, not hidden. Now that I know what to do I'll do it, but one designs interfaces to encourage "what's natural" for the context and, for me, this violates that. ? --
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Re: Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam?
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:18 AM, David Haun wrote:
What I don't understand is why it is only groups.io where this is happening.? I have and use email accounts with Yahoo, JUNO, Gmail, plus FaceBook and Instagram, and none of them remove members for marking messages as SPAM.? David
You're not the first one to ask about this. This is explained in the wiki.? Wiki - SPAM Info-- Gerald
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Re: Deleting old emails??
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 01:33 PM, Cherry Delaney wrote:
Does this sufficiently answer your concern for asking a different question??
Not really, no. You keep referring to emails, but there are no emails to delete; OK that's perhaps being a bit pedantic, but you can either delete complete topics or individual messages within topics. Which is it? If you want to delete complete topics then the advice Bruce provided should be followed. Go to your Account and set Items per Page to 50 or 100; it's probably set to the default of 20 at the moment. Then go to the Topics view of your group, and add -test to the URL and refresh the page to enter that (trial) mode.I suggest that you then go to the oldest pages of the topics list. Each Topic will have a check box beside it; Check the topics you want to delete, or click the " check box on its own" at the top to select all the topics on that page. Then click on the red Delete button at the top and confirm the decision.? A complete page of topics will disappear for only a very few clicks. IIRC the only downside is that after every deletion the topics view reverts to the newest page (i.e. 1) so you have have to go and find the oldest page of topics all over again. If you want to do it "message by message" then I am afraid that you have made a rod for your own back.
Chris
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Re: Deleting old emails??
Why do you want to delete those emails?
They aren't hurting anyone by being there.
They don't count toward space except if they have attachments and you can set the group to delete the attachments when more room is needed.
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Date: 2/27/2019 7:33:38 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Deleting old emails??
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When you have 73,000 emails to delete, not getting paid to do it, I was merely hoping for a more efficient way to do this and a friend suggested ?looking for this option.
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?Touching 3 buttons 720 times to delete the emails and waiting a few seconds each time is kind of slow.?
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Does this sufficiently answer your concern for asking a different question??
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Re: Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam?
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Yes, but if they are inactive and they do not write to the group ...
as they can be expelled by Spam, if they do not write.
I do not understand the reason for the expulsion.
Thanks for your answer.
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?Worst of all, that I forget to say earlier,
is that they be removed by Spam inactive members who do not send any mail to the group, then,
if they do not send any mail, impossible to eliminate them by Spam, incredible! |
Even if they are inactive, they will be sent the notification of their removal from the group, and can use that to resume their subscription.
The only hitch is that their email service might redirect the notice itself to the the member's Spam folder and he/she may not notice it. Or even if it arrives in his/her Inbox, he/she may not recognize it or trust it.
Shal
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Re: Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam?
What I don't understand is why it is only groups.io where this is happening.? I have and use email accounts with Yahoo, JUNO, Gmail, plus FaceBook and Instagram, and none of them remove members for marking messages as SPAM.? David
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Re: Deleting old emails??
When you have 73,000 emails to delete, not getting paid to do it, I was merely hoping for a more efficient way to do this and a friend suggested ?looking for this option.
?Touching 3 buttons 720 times to delete the emails and waiting a few seconds each time is kind of slow.?
Does this sufficiently answer your concern for asking a different question?? Cherry In a world where you can be anything, be kind.
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On Feb 26, 2019, at 15:09, Chris Jones via Groups.Io < chrisjones12@...> wrote: On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 07:40 PM, Cherry Delaney wrote:
Is there a setting that can delete anything older than a preset date??
You asked almost the same thing yesterday; Duane's answer - also yesterday - ls the simplest, even the only solution. I am puzzled about why you expected a materially different answer this time. Chris
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Re: Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam?
?Worst of all, that I forget to say earlier,
is that they be removed by Spam inactive members who do not send any mail to the group, then,
if they do not send any mail, impossible to eliminate them by Spam, incredible! |
Even if they are inactive, they will be sent the notification of their removal from the group, and can use that to resume their subscription.
The only hitch is that their email service might redirect the notice itself to the the member's Spam folder and he/she may not notice it. Or even if it arrives in his/her Inbox, he/she may not recognize it or trust it.
Shal
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Re: Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam?
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Thank you very much everyone for the responses.
Also for this link that I read.
Anyway, I do not see solution to this problem.
Worst of all, that I forget to say earlier,
is that they be removed by Spam inactive members who do not send any mail to the group, then,
if they do not send any mail, impossible to eliminate them by Spam, incredible!
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 02:41 PM, ?? Rosa - Rosa Tags ?? wrote:
Some explanation?. Thanks. Rosa -- This is a frequently-complained-about feature of groups.io. The bottom line is that groups.io cannot afford to get a reputation as a spamming service.[The .io top-level domain (British Indian Ocean Territory) does not help in that regard.]In any event, please read the wiki entry at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam?and come back here with any further questions.Hope this helps,Bruce?-- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: Responding to Messages sent to Owner Email Address
I am not sure it is going through groups.io
although on second thought it would have to be going through
groups.io somehow or it would not have my personal address.? I and
the other owners all get at least one message a day.? I only speak
English so I do not know what they say but they are definitely
spam and are being sent to the owner address for the group.
Thank you.
Jim
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 07:15 PM, Jim Pruitt wrote:
The problem I am having is that someones is using the
+owner address to send spam.? Most are coming from a Finnish ISP
or so it says
I'd try sending the email with all headers to support.? It may be
a domain or IP that Mark would want to ban.? There are a few of
them that are already in his list.
Duane
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Bruce, I have learned something new today. Thanks for your help? on subject "muting a topic". The time part of algorithm was unknown to me. Ullmang Ashley Montagu said: ¡°The idea is to?die young as late as possible.¡±
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 11:02 PM, Ullman Garrett wrote:
Thanks for the quick response. So a new email with the same subject creates a new topic?
As others have stated, the mute function affects topics, not subject lines. The process for creating new topics depends on whether the reply is by email or online, and there is also a time component for the former.
See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Avoiding-threading-topics---threading-algorithm?for details on how creates new topics.?
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Re: Responding to Messages sent to Owner Email Address
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 11:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It's not particularly helpful that there are two "functions" (and they're not, really) that share the same icon and view the same data, either.
One or the other, but not both, should be presented.? In this case, if someone's an owner/moderator, the one under the Admin section should be the one.
The Directory is nothing more than an index of member profiles. Subscribers who do not create a profile, or choose not to share it, will not appear there.? It is useful to allow Subscribers to find information about each other and communicate privately, much as they would in other social media. As you have discovered, attempting to use the Directory for Admin functions will only lead to frustration.? Regards, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 11:02 PM, Ullman Garrett wrote:
Thanks for the quick response. So a new email with the same subject creates a new topic?
As others have stated, the mute function affects topics, not subject lines. The process for creating new topics depends on whether the reply is by email or online, and there is also a time component for the former. See? /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Avoiding-threading-topics---threading-algorithm?for details on how groups.io creates new topics.? Regards, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam?
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 11:03 PM, John T wrote:
The problem, as has been mentioned, is not the individual marking it as spam but the ISP.
Then that issue needs to be taken up with the ISP.? ?ISPs should never be identifying anything that comes from a known subscription-only service of a non-commercial nature, and e-mailing lists fill that bill, as spam. If customers don't raise hell with them about this they're certainly not going to stop doing it. Yes, it's a PITA, but we all have to play our part in both blocking real spam and preventing the blocking of things that, by definition, cannot be spam.? Something an individual must subscribe to is never, ever spam. ? --
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Re: Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam?
The problem, as has been mentioned, is not the individual marking it as spam but the ISP. I've been receiving GMF Digests for more than a year and I have never personally marked one as spam yet I have been removed due to marking it spam.? So now I check the ISP Webmail on a daily basis (don't need to do it daily but that way I won't forget :)) and move GMF digests from the Spam Folder by marking them Not Spam -- in an effort to train the Spam algorithms to recognize it as Not Spam. So far, it hasn't been effective. I had 3 digests in the Spam folder yesterday :(? But I keep trying :)
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 07:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I am in agreement that, regardless of the complaints, this is a good policy, and one that should teach users a very necessary lesson.
You do not, EVER, mark as spam a message that comes from a service to which you have subscribed, PERIOD, and certainly not from an e-mailing list you had to go to great effort to join.
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Duane, Thanks for the quick response. So a new email with the same subject creates a new topic? I'm scratching my head to understand why in my test group I sent an email "testing muting a topic" from a user.? I then muted that topic in my email and then sent another?email with same subject from the first email. It posted on the website as a second message in the topic "testing muting a topic". I did not receive an email from the second message. I know I'm missing something. I much appreciate your insight. Ullmang
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 06:36 PM, Ullman Garrett wrote:
The subject lines are identical, not sure why it would not show up as a topic with multiple messages.
If it's not posted as a reply to the original message, thus creating a new topic, then it won't be muted by the original action.? Muting doesn't use the title/subject, it uses the topic/thread.
Duane
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Re: Responding to Messages sent to Owner Email Address
It's not particularly helpful that there are two "functions" (and they're not, really) that share the same icon and view the same data, either. One or the other, but not both, should be presented.? In this case, if someone's an owner/moderator, the one under the Admin section should be the one. --
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Re: Responding to Messages sent to Owner Email Address
The more I get into the "admin side" of Groups.io the more I find the capacities sadly lacking in even the basics.? There is not so much as a search function in the members directory,
FWIW, the Directory isn't an Admin function. There is a Search box up top on the Members page.
Agreed though, the Directory ought to have one too. I think that's been mentioned in beta. Shal
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And, in cases like this, which is where a "standard subject" is reused cyclically, using "mute topic" doesn't even make sense, really, for the reason Duane has already mentioned. This is precisely what e-mail filters/rules were created for.? The person who doesn't want to ever see "Wednesday Meeting" if it originates from [email protected]?had ought to create an e-mail filter in his or her e-mail client or webmail that immediately moves the message to their Trash (NOT SPAM - this can sometimes result in behind the scenes marking which is not wanted) folder.? They'll never see another one again, at least if it comes from the address noted in the rule or filter. --
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