On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 03:20 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

Please call out any you find significant.

The change in the search engine was the one that caught my eye, especially the restoration of quoted phrases. RegEx search is a little more complicated. I tried a few POSIX expressions that didn't seem to function correctly, but simple appended wildcards such as * and ? now work.

I will attempt to update the corresponding wiki eventually.
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Marv,

It looks like a message specific issue. The user sent the message
twice. Both times it fell into a back hole.

If they were addressed correctly to the group's posting address then they should show in the Activity Log.

I am considering asking him to try to post the message one more time,
but the group has moved on and I would not like to confuse the group
with a weird repost.

You could temporarily put him on Override: Moderated before the repost. Then delete it if it arrives in the Pending list.

If you do, have him also CC it to your address directly. That might provide a clue as to whether the message didn't send, or wasn't accepted by Groups.io.

I am not very familiar with Apple email. Do they perform aggressive
filtering that could account for this?

I've never used Apple email, but I have used email services that would block me from sending messages that contained specific things. The case I can think of involved an attachment with a "dangerous" (executable) file type - this was back in the heyday of infected computers being used to send viruses on to everyone in the user's email address book.

But if Apple mail did something like this it should at least have sent back an error message about why the message wasn't sent.

There was a time when Yahoo Groups would reject inbound messages that contained certain Subject text - again back in the heyday of viruses. But I don't believe Groups.io does anything of the sort, and if they did I'd expect the sender to get an error back, as well as the "attempted to send" appearing in the Activity Log.

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Andy,

The other effect of course is that it prevents outgoing HTML posts.
Lesson learned!

I minor technical point, but it isn't so much that it controls outgoing posts, as that a posting made on site is handled as an incoming post, up to the point where it is approved (or posted, if it doesn't need approval).

So the web interface hides the formatting controls as they could only cause confusion when the message posted without formatting.

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Colleen,

Is this for the Admin only? Thanks. (I can't find those prompts.)

Yes. The Admin pages in a group can only be seen by a group moderator (with appropriate permissions) or group owner.

Here's what it looks like for a group owner:

In this example, the Message Policies section of the page, including the Reply To option would be further down the screen.

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Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

NEW: Added more tracking query parameters that are removed with the
clean links button.

Ok, so apparently this function is more about "sanitizing" links (for your protection) than removing them. So to see its effect one would need an example of a "dirty" link.


Comments about these are welcome:

BUGFIX: Fixed search query escaping (phrase search and regex search
was broken).
CHANGE: Wiki Table of Contents now span the entire page.
BUGFIX: Fix display of text/calendar attachments when viewing
messages.
BUGFIX: For long messages with multi-byte characters that were
creating new topics, we would sometimes improperly truncate the
topic summary, causing a database error and the message to not be
sent.
BUGFIX: Sometimes we'd display the Subgroups tab under the Admin menu
when the person didn't have permission to access it (only the tab
was displayed, they would get an error if they clicked it).
BUGFIX: If a person cannot post or respond to a poll, do not show the
Add Poll tab in the sidebar.
NEW: In premium groups, if a calendar invite is sent to the group, the
event now is automatically added to the group calendar.
INTERNAL: Simplified how signatures are stored in the system, fixing a
couple of corner case bugs.

Please call out any you find significant.

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On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 02:10 PM, Jonathan Sivier wrote:

What happens if a normal subscriber originates a message with a hashtag that is only usable by a moderator? I understand that replies to a message with such a hashtag work and continue to contain the hashtag, but what happens with an original message from a non-subscriber? Is the message moderated or rejected or something?

I had no idea, so I tested it in my test group.

If you compose a message in the online editor and insert a moderator-restricted hashtag, the message does not go out when you hit the Send button. The page instead refreshes, with an error to the effect that the hashtag is reserved; and the message remains in Draft form, waiting for you to edit the subject line.

If you send one to the group via email, a return email comes back stating something similar, with an "editsubject" link that allows you to go edit the message (online) and resend. It is neither Rejected nor Pending, but again appears as a Draft, just as if you had initiated it online. I didn't expect that, but it makes sense.

If you aren't logged in at the time you click on the link, you are taken to the login page. After you complete login the editor is immediately displayed, with the draft ready to be edited. Sensible. If you happen to be logged in with a different account at the time, clicking on the emailed link takes you to the group home page, with no explanation as to why it "didn't work." So that's somewhat disconcerting.

If a non-subscriber does the same (in a group that allows non-subscribers to post), the message goes into Pending status and awaits moderation, as usual. If the message is subsequently accepted, it posts to the group complete with the hashtag, regardless of the hashtag use restriction.
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Chris,

Are you a Basic (free) group or one that is paid - for? If the latter
are you payments up to date or overdue?

I don't think that matters. A past-due payment causes the group to revert to Basic, it doesn't disable it altogether.

If you cannot find anything then an email to [email protected]
looks like the best bet.

Given the evidence I concur. I don't see anything in the Group Settings listed on the home page that would explain an inability to post.

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Don,

There is no evidence in the logs that the messages have been received
by the system.

That's interesting. And worthy of your request to support. Any message correctly addressed to the group's posting address should be in the logs, either as "attempted to send" (a rejection) or "sent message" (either posted or requiring approval).

I attempted to create a message in the web interface and that is not
showing in the activity log.

That's even more peculiar.

If there's a technical glitch I can't do anything about it (only support can), but I'm curious. Mind if I try a test posting in your group? I'd be a new member so you should be able to catch my message in pending and delete it.

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What happens if a normal subscriber originates a message with a hashtag that is only usable by a moderator? I understand that replies to a message with such a hashtag work and continue to contain the hashtag, but what happens with an original message from a non-subscriber? Is the message moderated or rejected or something?

Jonathan

Thanks for the response. It is a Basic group. I have emailed support.

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 12:49 PM, InkkFreakk wrote:

I cannot upload any files in my group.. I do have the option to create a folder but nothing more.. ? Can anyone help?

You are probably out of storage space...Basic groups are restricted to 1 GB of storage. Current usage can be found by going to Admin>Upgrade. See the wiki entry at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Managing-Attachments%2C-Files-and-Photos?for further details and remedies.

If you've already checked under Admin>Upgrade and are well under the 1 GB limit, it could be that you've logged in using an email address that does not have file upload permissions. Check the Home button at upper left for a blue Owner badge to ensure that you're logged in with an Owner account.

Hope this helps,
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On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 12:48 PM, Dan Borchers wrote:

Hi, Can anyone on the GMF tell me the various options for the setting that controls who replies go to?? See number 3 below.?

It's in Admin>Settings>Message Policies>Reply To

Can it be set on a new group to "reply to sender only"??

Yes, that is one of the options.

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I cannot upload any files in my group.. I do have the option to create a folder but nothing more.. ? Can anyone help? ? I'm very new to Groups.IO.. I created my groups in September and before I was able to upload files.. ? ? Thanks in advance.. Inkk

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I use a gmail account and have not received any messages like that. I have my messages sent to me. All seems to be fine. ? It could be your settings on your computer that is causing that. ? Ilene? ? ? ? ?

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 08:52 AM, <info@...> wrote:

This is not an @gmail.com account, but business account with @domainame.com that runs through the gmail servers. Could that make a difference?

Quite possibly, see /g/GroupManagersForum/message/13835

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On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 08:27 AM, Bill W2PKY wrote:

Is this possible?

Editing can be disabled by a group setting, so it depends on how the group is set up.

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On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 11:57 AM, Martin Cleaver wrote:

If I mail to a group, then my message gets flagged?by Gmail when I receive it back.?
I get a warning: "Be careful with this message. This may?be a spoofed message. This message claims to have been sent from your account, but (xxx) couldn't verify the actual source. (etc)"
Gmail gives me an option to say it "looks safe" but the next message gets treated the same. I wonder whether thgis one will?

I am having the exact same problem. All messages I send to one of my groups gets flagged by gmail when it is sent back to me. This is not an @gmail.com account, but business account with @domainame.com that runs through the gmail servers. Could that make a difference?

Hi Bill,
If you click the "More" option at the bottom of the message on the web page view, do you get the option to "Edit Message" ?


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