Received from Bruce Bowman at 1/13/2019 04:03 PM UTC:

And it's my fervent hope that groups.io doesn't devolve into the kind of notifications-fest that Facebook has become.

Surely we would be able to opt out of "like" notifications?!!!

Jim H

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Thanks so much. It worked. That is okay, I never want the messages to be public. Ilene ? ? ? ? ?

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On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 01:35 PM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:

I have done this before 6 times before?but right now I am trying to set up a new group and I cannot for the life of me find where to make the Archives (Messages) only available to Subscribers.

It's in Admin>Settings>Privacy>Visibility...

...and here's a reminder that once you select one of the "private messages" options there is no way to make them public again.

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I have done this before 6 times before?but right now I am trying to set up a new group and I cannot for the life of me find where to make the Archives (Messages) only available to Subscribers. Please Help Me. Ilene

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 10:41 AM, Al Ludwick / NN4ZZ wrote:

If someone "likes" a message is the person who wrote the message
notified? Or would they only know by going to the message online and
checking there?

Groups.io currently provides neither a personal inbox nor any real notification system, so the only way that would be possible is via email. At this time one has to view the message archive online to check for "likes."

With respect to your second question, I've heard much conjecture regarding the "notifications overhaul." It's brought up in many contexts, including missing entries in the activity log, missing notifications to Moderators/Owners, and various notifications to subscribers of related activities (such as "liking" their posts). Although lumped under one topic, these are very different functions, and unlikely to be implemented all at once. The actual scope and timeline is known only to Mark.

My own speculation is that such things will have to wait until the groups.io app is done, so as to provide a consistent user interface. And it's my fervent hope that groups.io doesn't devolve into the kind of notifications-fest that Facebook has become.?

Hope this helps,
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Yvonne,

I wrote:

Except for the attachments, the Yahoo Group Transfer function at
Groups.io would have been your perfect answer. Alas, Yahoo / Verizon
made some change a few weeks ago that broke it.

In case you hadn't heard, it is back on again:


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Sarah,

Not to stray, but if a non owner wanted to export an archive can they
not do that?

Nope. That function is on the Settings page, available only to moderators.

If the owner could walk a member on how to do this, they might be able
to catch up that way.

The catch is that the member would have to be logged into Groups.io - in which case they could just as well read the Messages section directly.

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Mike,

I wrote:

The Easy Groups Transfer mechanism is currently disabled:

In case you hadn't heard, it is back on again:


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Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

CHANGE: Got Yahoo Group exports working again.

This will be welcome news for any Yahoo Groups that recently decided to migrate here.

CHANGE: Tweaked the default welcome message template to make things
more clear (will only be applied to groups created after this).

Hmm... Must go browse our wiki to see if we have some now-obsolete examples to update.


Comments about these are welcome:

INTERNAL: Revamped activity log definitions to make it easier to add
new activities.
CHANGE: In the activity log, changed instances of 'modified' to
'updated' for consistency.
CHANGE: Revert to previous behavior of treating web posts as new
topics.
BUGFIX: The URL in the emails sent when someone reports a photo were
incorrect.
CHANGE: For Enterprise domains, changed how we do Facebook/Google
logins. We now do them via the groups.io domain, to avoid having to
whitelist every domain we serve and also because we were running up
against a limit with Google in terms of number of domains served.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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Oh, thanks for digging this up! I'll go fix this now.?

Doug,

My issue is that Google Drive integration is not working for the
GroupIO we have set up and are testing. ...
When a valid google ID and password are used, the google webpage
returns this error:

Sign in with Google temporarily disabled for this app

I haven't heard anything lately, but there were authentication issues almost two years ago. You may need help from [email protected] to resolve it. Searching for Drive gets me:



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Bill,

Thank you for taking the time to lay it out for us, though I am not
really sure how "if the service gains a reputation for delivering spam
messages" could happen -- WE would be the ones allowing unmoderated
emails to this list, ...

But if that option were available, YOU wouldn't necessarily be the only group to use it. And others may not be so careful.

Too, the reputation accorded to Groups.io wouldn't only be a result of your members' actions. Their receiving email services will recognize spam messages without human intervention, and down-rate Groups.io accordingly.

I sure wish we had discovered way, way in advance of moving all of our
hundreds of families over to groups.io that there was no way to
support this "experts list" kind of address.

Peter and I have already suggested a work-around. Make your list of experts moderators - either in your primary group or a subgroup. Then the experts will receive the help-requests instantly, by way of the "Message Approval Needed" notice.

You haven't addressed whether this would work for you, and if not why not.

If I could put in my $0.02 as a suggestion that might save other
organizations this hassle in the future -- please consider allowing
this option.

The appropriate venue for making that suggestion (or any other) is the beta group, Groups.io's official "suggestion box". No one at GMF works for Groups.io. In considering the option all anyone in GMF can do is help inform you about what we know of the site and its history.


In answer to Barb you wrote:

Rather than having scouts emailing to the Scoutmaster or any one
person, the messages go to a small group of leaders and the first one
to see it and who can answer, responds.

That also sounds a lot like the group's +owner email address. Again, assuming you can give your small group of leaders the role of Moderator within the group. The primary disadvantage of using the +owner address is that the question doesn't then go to the broader group nor get stored in the group's Messages section, whereas a pending message, answered and also approved by an expert moderator, could.

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On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 07:14 PM, PeteL wrote:

Chris while I appreciate your statements regarding a large group (which my original post clearly said this was not) they are mostly unhelpful here.

Quite possibly so, but I would emphasise the point that you are making a rod for your own back by making it too easy for members to rely on you do everything for them instead of finding out how to do it themselves, or more accurately following simple instructions about how to use the web UI. After a lot of discussion (fairly recently) the process of staying logged in has been made much simpler, and getting logged in in the first place is hardly "difficult".

Shal suggested preparing and sending out a zipped file of your group's messages; however, if any reluctance to log in is a subset of technophobia then getting members to manage the unzipping process is likely to run into difficulties as well. I really see the best option is to encourage members to get logged in as soon as possible and then simply visit the web UI from time to time to keep the log - in active. While being an Owner or Moderator carries with it a measure of responsibility for supporting group members creating a load of (unnecessary?) work for oneself is hardly obligatory and can ultimately become a major millsonte around your own neck.

I'd keep any such idea in abeyance until such time as it becomes glaringly obvious that the group cannot function without it.

Chris

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On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 01:37 AM, PeteL wrote:

Most of my members will not sign into the website for "full viewing access".

As a moderator I am perfectly willing to help members, but I draw the line at spoonfeeding them. I accept that that may be an "unpopular" viewpoint.

It's a very popular viewpoint with me.

Jim H

On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 02:14 PM, PeteL wrote:

This group is less then 24 hours old and the number of messages (not even topics) is less then 10.?

Pete -- Here's an idea.

Select Messages from the left-side menu bar. Click on Date at upper right to achieve the desired sort order (chronological or inverse). Now pull down the blue menu (to the left of the Search button) and select Expanded. All your group's messages will be displayed on one long, scrolling page.?If you find any ellipses (...) enclosed by a blue box, this is a collapsed quote. Click on each ellipsis to expand them if you want to.

Now you just need to get this into a document of some kind. You could tediously cut-and-paste the text into Notepad or something like that. Personally, I would right-click on the page, select Print from the resulting dialog box, and print it to a PDF file.

If you're looking for an easy way to mass-email the document, open the members list (Admin>Members). Default sort order is inverse by join date, so you should find all the newbies collected at the top. Tic the checkboxes next to the people you want to send to, then pull down the Actions menu at the bottom of the page, and select "Send Message."

On the resulting message composition page, paste the combined messages into the editor; or if you did the PDF thing, click on the paper-clip icon to attach the document to the message. Provide a subject line, and click Send to Member.?This post will not appear in the message archive, so you aren't creating any dupes by doing this.

Repeat as needed, or until you grow tired of doing so.

Hope this helps,
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