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Re: Regularly dropped from Group
Jim Higgins
Received from Bruce Bowman at 10/16/2018 02:19 AM UTC:
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 09:55 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:Do you know the rationale for a 1-month expiration... or can you imagine one? (I don't and can't.)A logon is, more than anything, a confirmation of identity. And my opinion is that a periodic identity check is a reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you could go on a long vacation or die or whatever and anyone else could use your computer to post under your name for an indefinite period of time. I agree that a log-on is a confirmation of identity... if it involves a user name, and a password that the user keeps secure. But that's not the case with Gio. With Gio, literally anyone with access to the user's computer (or just the email account) can request for a log-in link. No need to know a password and thus no strong assurance of true identity. It's convenient for people who can't deal with passwords, but it leads to the "regularly dropped from group" complaints (see subject line above) that we see several times weekly in GMF. It's a solution to one problem and the cause of another problem. I think the complaints about "dropped from group" would decrease substantially, and security - which is marginal via the "request a log-in link" approach to begin with - wouldn't be materially affected if the current log-in cookie were automatically renewed for a month each time the user logs in. Users would only be "dropped from group" if they didn't log in for a month, rather than being dropped every month despite logging in several times a day. The current approach makes no sense to me given the level of confusion over being "dropped from the group." Jim H |
Re: staying logged in to Groups.IO
Alan Robbins
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýNo worries, with a lot of tinkering around I have somehow solve the problem and now appear to be staying logged in so when I want to follow a topic all I need to do is click on that yes button in safari. |
Re: Regularly dropped from Group
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 09:55 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
Do you know the rationale for a 1-month expiration... or can you imagine one? (I don't and can't.)A logon is, more than anything, a confirmation of identity. And my opinion is that a periodic identity check is a reasonable thing to do. Otherwise you could go on a long vacation or die or whatever and anyone else could use your computer to post under your name for an indefinite period of time. Some kind of banner message at the top of the page people land on saying "YOU ARE NOT LOGGED IN" might be helpful. That's a notion I could support. Regards, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
Re: 2 -- help page focus, reverse posting
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 07:02 PM, psb b wrote:
And control F5 didn't fix it, sadly.Sadly, indeed! Device? Browser? Try clearing your cache and see if that helps. Good luck, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
Re: Regularly dropped from Group
Jim Higgins
Received from Shal Farley at 10/14/2018 10:50 PM UTC:
The browser cookie that keeps you logged in has a one-month expiration, so needing to log back in periodically is normal. Do you know the rationale for a 1-month expiration... or can you imagine one? (I don't and can't.) Any idea why not 1-month, but refreshed on each log-in? Or 1 year. Or "forever" (Jan 19, 2038). Worth mentioning as a change on [beta]? A much longer expiration interval (or none) sure seems like it would solve a recurring problem for many. Jim H |
Re: Automated donotreply account stuck in "bouncing" status
Eric,
I have an email that goes out automatically a few times per day, butUse an Email Integration address for this. That provides a specific address which your service can send to that will post to your group without requiring your service to be a member. The integration will "lock in" on the address of the first message it receives so that spammers can't use that as a way to get junk into your group. Or, you could set the group to allow non-Subscriber posts. The plus side is that it is easy to set up, and works with any number of sending services. The downsides are that it works with any sending address and so all such posts will perforce require approval. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
Automated donotreply account stuck in "bouncing" status
Eric Ball
I have an email that goes out automatically a few times per day, but the account can't receive incoming email. The account was manually added to our list, but its delivery option was accidentally not set to "No email" at first. Now it's in "bouncing" status, and there's no way to get it out of that status, at least as far as I can tell. Any probe will fail, but we don't need it to receive email; it just needs to be able to send. Are there any ways to get around the automatic blocking of "bouncing" members?
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Re: staying logged in to Groups.IO
Alan Robbins
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýBruce, ? Thanks, read through the info but it appears it must be from an earlier version of IOS as I have 12.0.1 and the options the article presents for managing cookies are different than those I have ? ¡®²¹±ô ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman ? On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 09:33 AM, Alan Robbins wrote:
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 09:39 AM, Duane wrote:
I found the following online and perhaps it will help you:?? |
Re: staying logged in to Groups.IO
Alan Robbins
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWhere did you tell the iPhone to remember your password and use touch id? Also, how did you get the email address to be remembered? ? al ? Al ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Linda Perry ? I was having the same problem.? On my ipad I never had to log in again but on my iPhone I did.? I went in and told my iPhone to remember the password and use touch id. Now every time I click on a link it takes me to my group but there is a little box that says use "my e-mail address", if i click on that, it then allows me to use touch id to log into groups io.? Not sure why it goes directly on my ipad but not my phone but at least I don't have to type in this info every time now. |
Re: 2 -- help page focus, reverse posting
Yes, I meant/static/help And control F5 didn't fix it, sadly. ~~ ![]() http://thequeensbs.blogspot.com? "On our wedding, when she came walking ?down the aisle, with that giant hair and all that makeup, I felt like yelling, "It's alive! ?IT'S ALIVE!" ?
On Monday, October 15, 2018, 5:33:12 PM EDT, Toby Kraft <toby@...> wrote:
Pamela, #1 - help page does not have any funny formatting or double text.? I assume you mean this page ->?/static/help #2 - Yes, the only FB integration is one-way, groups.io can check for posts made on a?public FB page and re-post that to your group. Thanks Toby |
Re: 2 -- help page focus, reverse posting
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 04:21 PM, psb b wrote:
#1. ?The help page is what I call double exposed. ?The words are there twice over top of each other and I can't read it.I've never experienced that one. You might want to try a page refresh (CTRL-F5). #2. ?Is there a way to connect to facebook so that the posts made on groups.io appear secondarily on facebook?Correct -- the Facebook integration works in only one direction, and only works for public pages. Your best bet here is probably using an rss feed. The feed address for your GIO group is the same as that of your home page with /rss appended to the end. Check your home page and -- if your group is Public -- you will find a "Feed" link under Group Information. I understand that there used to be a native Facebook interface for this but it's gone now. You might try the 3rd-party app found at??. If your group is Private, there is no way to make it Public again. In that case you will have to find some app that will forward incoming personal emails to Facebook, get it set up and working, then subscribe that email address to the GIO group. From what I'm reading the rss feed will probably be more straightforward. By the way, do not expect things to cross-post in real time. These feeds are shared by polling, and delays of several hours can be expected. Hope this helps, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
Re: staying logged in to Groups.IO
I was having the same problem.? On my ipad I never had to log in again but on my iPhone I did.? I went in and told my iPhone to remember the password and use touch id. Now every time I click on a link it takes me to my group but there is a little box that says use "my e-mail address", if i click on that, it then allows me to use touch id to log into groups io.? Not sure why it goes directly on my ipad but not my phone but at least I don't have to type in this info every time now.
Linda Perry |
Re: 2 -- help page focus, reverse posting
Pamela,
#1 - help page does not have any funny formatting or double text.? I assume you mean this page ->?/static/help #2 - Yes, the only FB integration is one-way, groups.io can check for posts made on a?public FB page and re-post that to your group. Thanks Toby |
2 -- help page focus, reverse posting
Two questions, and my sincere apologies if these have already been addressed!
#1. ?The help page is what I call double exposed. ?The words are there twice over top of each other and I can't read it. Is this a groups.io problem or mine? #2. ?Is there a way to connect to facebook so that the posts made on groups.io appear secondarily on facebook? In reading integrations I understand that it's the reverse that happens. Thanks for any help. ~~ ![]() http://thequeensbs.blogspot.com?
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Re: Direct Add commas appearing in Display Name.
Bill Perry
Just a quick apology for the negative comment below, it had been a long day! The 50 accounts were released at about 1.30GMT and I have had lots of positive comments about Groups.io from the subscribers. I also much appreciate this group and the quick responses and help I received from those on here. ? Many thanks ? Bill ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Perry
Sent: 14 October 2018 23:38 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GMF] Direct Add commas appearing in Display Name. ? I can understand the reasoning for this limit, it¡¯s just a shame it¡¯s not clearly and simply documented for new users, especially as I paid for the ¡°direct add¡± feature today to get the process completed more quickly and with the least amount of hassle for my members. Now a group of 50 of them, who I told in a separate email would be receiving the ¡°Welcome¡± and ¡°You¡¯ve now been added emails¡± this evening will get them, ?I don¡¯t know when. ? Oh hum! ? Bill ?
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Re: Bug in subscription
#bug
On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 09:54 PM, William Finn wrote:
Liam -- For the past half-hour, I have been testing this using the Shalstest group. When I have the main group set to Restricted, nothing happens with the subgroup request without Moderator intervention in the main group. This strikes me as expected behavior. If I wanted people to be able to join the main group without Moderator intervention, I would be using some other main group setting. This is especially true if I am using my main group setting as a firewall for the subgroups. Do I really want two Pending subscriptions to show up, and have to remember to reject them both? With the main group set to NuM only and the subgroup set to Restricted, a join request to the subgroup puts the user in the main group right away, and into Pending in the subgroup...again, as expected. These observations suggest to me that the subscription process is working the way it's supposed to. You should be able to achieve the behavior you want by unchecking Restricted and using some other Spam Control setting in the main group. Now I have to go back to Shalstest and set everything back the way it was. :-) Hope this helps, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
Re: staying logged in to Groups.IO
I use Safari on my iPhone (iOS 12.0.1) and on my MacBook. I am able to Follow without having to log in.
I have set a password. i.e. I am not using a default password from "email me a link". And I stay logged in on both devices. Also no apps on my iPhone to prevent cookies. Odd that your two devices won't play nicely with each other. Frances -- /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki /static/help More help: use the search button at the top of the Messages list. |