On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Bill Perry wrote:

Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong?

Sure sounds like a bug that should be reported to [email protected].? Mark has done some work on the Direct Add recently, so this may be something that sneaked in.

As an afterthought, have you tried it using only a first name, or at least something without spaces?? That might give Mark more information to dig with.

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Thanks Michael and Bruce.? I should have found this myself, but I have to say that the placement of this function is not intuitive.? I had expected it to be on the "Actions" list on the pending members page.? Still, my oversight.

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On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 06:34 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

You should probably read that entire thread ( /g/GroupManagersForum/topic/4818162#12515 ).

Thanks for your reply. I have read, and re-read, that (this) thread several times, but I still do NOT understand how to apply the css file to my entire wiki, or even one page in the wiki.

I am using Markdown, so that may limit my choices. Any suggestions?

Is this a groups.io bug that should be reported?

Paige,
Hmm, that does seem strange, especially the disappearance of the gio calendar from the online google calendar (I assume you mean on the web) and still show on the phone.? The phone calendar is synced from the online one for the account so if it's gone from one, it should be gone from the other.? AFAIK, android phone users would still use the online web calendar to subscribe, right?? I don't see that ability in the phone app.??
I don't know of anything that would have some events appear and others not.
Toby

Rob,

Community owners are also the ones who will pay when it is time to
upgrade - I encourage them to reconsider this view.

I don't have any Premium groups at the moment to check with, but I know they have at least one more field they can change in a member's subscription: the member's email address.

Your encouragement should be sent through beta (the official "suggestion box") - no one from Groups.io monitors GMF.

Which seems to me to be kind of ridiculous - essentially making two
different profiles in one system in a way that is far more labor
intensive.

It is a bit ridiculous. It's what I did in my old classmate Yahoo Groups because it was the only tool available.

I've since transferred those groups here but have not continued our "lost and found" databases (classmate lists) here, mostly out of laziness, but also because the Groups.io Directory and Members list (both of which I do make available to those members) work well enough. At least for the "found" classmates.

Well I could try I suppose - but a "fully formed" proposal might be
difficult since I am not a software engineer and in fact am not that
great at politics.

I don't know what politics might have to do with it, but perhaps "fully" implied too much. I don't think you need to be a software engineer to give a good description of the features you want and the use case(s) that motivate your suggestion.

Seeing that database right there is frustrating though - I am
surprised someone hasn't at least tried to link that up with the
profile yet.

I don't know what might be possible with the Groups.io API, but there aren't to my knowledge any end-user accessible capabilities in the Database feature to link one database table to another, much less to the group's Members list or Member profiles.

I didn't think so - but I have also noticed that some members here
seem to have accepted this "user calls all the shots" as dogma but
those don't have to be all the rules.

I'm generally of that persuasion, especially where the member's personal information is concerned. But the things we've been discussing would be ok with me so long as they are controlled by group options so that groups that don't want such openness don't have it forced upon them.

That's an idea - but I have one business and on social group right
now, and for business they don't care at all if the directory is
public. In general, they don't want "privacy" they want "promotion".

I'm not saying that the member ought not be able to make their Profile public; but having it be a group default could come as a rude surprise to a naive new member, particularly if their Account Profile is not public.

And/Or suggest that an "All Subscribers Visible" option be added to
the Member Directory control (in the Privacy section of the group's
Settings page).

As long as that was the default, yes.

I disagree. I think making that a default group setting would be a mistake for most new groups. It isn't that hard for groups that want it to select it.

Bully pulpit? More like begging - over and over again until we
practically croak from frustration.

Heh. But at least in your business group they want promotion and will be more motivated to follow-through than would be the case with my classmates.

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In Admin: Members
Click on the row (not the check box) of the Member with the “NC”
Scroll to bottom of page
Click on “Send Confirmation Email"

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/10816

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Maureen,

We wanted a fresh start so I simply copied an email list of the
members we were moving over and auto-added them to our Groups.io
account to avoid the invitation process.

Do you mean Direct Add, and that you didn't actually use the Easy Group Transfer process?

So, I don't think there will be any serious consequences of removing
my second "Yahoo!" membership here, but please let me know if you
think otherwise with this additional info.

Nope.

If there is (and will be) no content (Files, Photos) copied into your Groups.io group by the transfer agent then I don't see any consequence to removing your Y!Mail membership.

... until yesterday when I made one of the other members an owner ...

That took care of the one advantage you might have gained by keeping a second address in the group.

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Hi all,

This week's change log:


Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

CHANGE: Updated the list of not permitted groups on the create group
page.

This one got a little offtrack and sometimes contentious on the beta group. Mark had to go so far as to lock the topic.

NEW: First pass at a help section for the upcoming group payments
system.

"This will be a big complicated new feature and I want to get as much
feedback as possible as early as possible during the development of it.
If you have a moment, I'd appreciate any feedback you may have about
it."

NEW: In HTML digests, there are now hashtag mute links in the message
footers. I also did some editing of the text of the other links,
removing some words to make space.

Anon, anon, Wiki footers page updates.

NEW: In the group Hashtags page, each hashtag now has a Mute/Unmute
link.

Yay! A step towards bringing Mute/Unmute functionality to groups' web pages. Now to get Mute & Follow as filters for the Messages / Topics list views...


Comments about these others are also welcome:

BUGFIX: When direct adding someone to a parent group and at least one
subgroup that has a direct add message, we weren't not sending out
the subgroup's direct add message.
BUGFIX: When adding a member to a subgroup, we weren't including the
direct add message, if one was set.
BUGFIX: For groups set to moderate messages with attachments, the
Emailed Photos album would not show up.
BUGFIX: For certain database table searches, only the first page would
be displayed. Other pages would be blank.
API: Return group_name with subscriptions.
CHANGE: For pending message notification emails, add a link at the top
to view the message online.
CHANGE: If a topic has a tag that is moderated, make sure we display
the moderated icon in the Topics view for that topic.
CHANGE: For the event and reminder emails, for all day events that
last more than one day, show both start and end days (we previously
only showed the start day).
BUGFIX: For a pending message sent from a subscriber who then
unsubscribes before the pending message is viewed, do not show the
View Member/Send Message buttons.
BUGFIX: When editing a database row, when you return to view the
previous page, the per page setting was ignored.
BUGFIX: If a topic is locked and has a hashtag that is set to reply to
sender only, replying on the website was not permitted.
BUGFIX: The web server would crash when viewing a past member that had
been subscribed to a subgroup that no longer exists.
CHANGE: Reformatted the mute/unmute hashtag pages to match modern
style.
BUGFIX: If you are the owner/moderator of a parent group viewing a
poll in a subgroup that you are not subscribed to, you should not be
permitted to vote in the poll, because votes are keyed to
subscription records.
BUGFIX: If multiple owners voted in a subgroup poll, the count and
display would be off in the View By Answer poll view (only one
owner's vote(s) would be displayed).

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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Is there any way to resend the "Confirm your [address] email address" message?

I'm the owner of a group that requires moderator approval of membership requests.? On my "Pending Approval" membership list there is someone listed with the "NC" (Not Confirmed) tag.? It has been several days now, and I suspect they may have lost the message with its individualized confirmation reply address (and its similarly individualized confirmation web link).? Is there any way to resend this message?? Note that this is not the same as the "Pending Membership Notice" which can be resent.

I came across (from 2016) which implies that it is possible to resend this confirmation notice, but in 2018 it is not an option on my owner's Pending Approval "Actions" menu.

If the applicant has indeed lost the original confirmation message with its individualized links, what is their best recourse?? Can I do anything as the owner to confirm the subscriber?

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Rob,

*2. Profile Fields.* The next thing I wanted was control over
profile fields.

Groups.io generally takes the view that the member's profile is his/hers to control. Even the ability to edit their Display Name is relatively recent.

Members control their profile through their Account's Identity page. There they can edit an Account Profile which provides default content for all of their group subscriptions. While there they can also edit the Profile shown in individual groups. Each profile has a Profile Privacy control which allows the member to control who can see that profile.

A member can also edit the profile for a given group through the Group Profile tab of their Subscription page.

*3. Member Directory. *

I originally hoped to be able to display any of the profile fields I
had added in any order

You can build a "directory" like that in the Database section, but as you already noted there's no way to tie that to subscription or profile information. So you or the members would have to populate the fields of their row explicitly.

Once long ago I suggested providing a directory-like feature by being able to tie a database table to the the Members list. That was kind of a toss-off at the bottom of a message, but you could resurrect the idea with a more fully-formed proposal as a fresh topic in the suggestion box:

... I know I can't be the only one who considers the directory to be
an integral part of the community.

You're not.

You could suggest that the Profile Privacy control be added to the group's Default Sub Settings page, so that you could change the default to "Other members of your group" (probably not "Public").

And/Or suggest that an "All Subscribers Visible" option be added to the Member Directory control (in the Privacy section of the group's Settings page).


Meanwhile you have the bully pulpit of being group moderator/owner to encourage your group members to participate in the group's Directory, such as it is.

Shal


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JMichaelTX,

Shal, it is now one YEAR later, and the JXA Resources page still
does NOT show up in a Google search.

I find it. But only by doing an exact search for phrases copied from it, such as "post in a topic to the JXA group with a hashtag of #wiki".

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On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 06:26 PM, JMichaelTX wrote:

Thanks for sharing this file. I've got your file, but how do I use it / apply it to my groups.io sub-group wiki?

You should probably read that entire thread.

When I use the raw html editor and save my work, groups.io strips many inline style definitions that I feel are totally benign. Rumor has it that groups.io itself is using this style sheet, so try applying some of the style definitions in that file to your own html and see if they work in your wiki. I personally never got around to that and am intrigued to hear your results.

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On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 05:37 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

GMF's Wiki is public and can be found in Google searches. So it isn't a general problem with Groups.io Wikis. Maybe with subgroup Wikis, I've just created one in a test group to see if it can be found. I haven't yet taken any measures (below) to call it to the attention of the search spiders. I'll let some time elapse first to see if it is found without such prompting.

Shal, it is now one YEAR later, and the JXA Resources page still does NOT show up in a Google search.

Any ideas?

Comes up as the second hit for me:


Best,

Glenn

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 05:37 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

GMF's Wiki is public and can be found in Google searches. So it isn't a general problem with Groups.io Wikis. Maybe with subgroup Wikis, I've just created one in a test group to see if it can be found. I haven't yet taken any measures (below) to call it to the attention of the search spiders. I'll let some time elapse first to see if it is found without such prompting.

Shal, it is now one YEAR later, and the JXA Resources page still does NOT show up in a Google search.

Any ideas?

Don,

My group just recently experienced a large number of members who are
bouncing; /all on the same date October 10th/.

What Duane said.

Have you looked at the "Recent Bounces" on the Email Delivery History tab of those members' pages in the Members list? The bounce reason stated by their email service may be informative.

Another Interesting bit of information; Yahoo groups shows no bouncing
to the same goups.io members.

Even if those members are being sent messages from Y!Groups, their bounce tracking has been unreliable at best over the last couple of years. There are both kinds of errors: good addresses that haven't been removed from bouncing status and bad addresses that haven't been added to it.

There's also a possibility that Y!Group messages were "whitelisted" against whatever caused the the bouncing of the Groups.io messages. That's where the exact response code and text might be informative.

It might be a good Idea for Mark to contact ATT and Yahoo to see if he
can have them correct this issue.

I believe he does track deliverability issues with the various receiving services, so if that was a widespread event he's probably aware of it.

For What It's Worth I don't any members from either service listed as bouncing recently in GMF's Member Activity log, but that's a relatively small sample (10 att.net and 124 yahoo.com members).

Shal


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On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 08:03 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

It now resides in the GMF files area alongside the original.

Thanks for sharing this file. I've got your file, but how do I use it / apply it to my groups.io sub-group wiki?

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 04:34 PM, Duane wrote:

Have you set your Account > Preferences, Editor Preference to Markdown?

Yes, of course. Else I would NOT get a table at all using MD code. I get a table, just without any borders.