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Re: Why does OBO appear in posts?

 

Ken,

I believe it¡¯s not so much what Outlook requires, as it is what the
outgoing email server (in my case imap.aol.com) wants to see.
For DMARC-related issues this is correct. Sending services can publish (via the DNS system) policy guidance that receiving services may use whenever they receive a message that has that sender's domain in the From information, yet was delivered to the receiver by some other service (such as a mailing list).

When Groups.io receives an inbound group posting it checks the published policy of the sender, and if it is "quarantine" or "reject" Groups.io rewrites the From address so that it has groups.io as the domain, in place of the sender domain. That helps to ensure that receiving members' services deliver the message to Inboxes, rather than Spam or rejecting (bouncing) them. That's because messages that are delivered by a server owned by the domain given in the From address are, generally speaking, regarded as less "spammy" than messages that are delivered by an unrelated server.

That said, Outlook and some other services have their own issues with receiving messages that have traveled through mailing lists, especially messages from their own domain. A message claiming to be from their domain that arrives from an external source (e.g. a mailing list) is automatically suspect in their eyes.

I used to use totally POP email on Outlook with my AOL addresses, ...
so switched to imap ...That¡¯s when I noticed I couldn¡¯t use the alias
<ken@weekendrproducts>, I must use <weekendrproducts@...
If you are talking about messages you send I think the switch from POP to IMAP was coincidental. Those protocols are only used when you fetch messages from your email service; when you post you're using SMTP in either case.

If you're talking about how you see messages you receive from the group, that's sounds odd but I suppose not impossible. I would expect your receiving service to apply the OBO rewriting regardless of whether you view the message through their web interface, a POP client, or an IMAP client.

Unless it is your client software doing the OBO rewrite. I suppose that too is possible.

Shal


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Re: How Do I Create a Markdown Table that Shows Borders? #markdown #tables #howto

 

Have you set your Account > Preferences, Editor Preference to Markdown?? If so, then I can't think of a reason it shouldn't work.

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Re: Why does OBO appear in posts?

 

Loopy,

This morning I sent email to my group using a different email address
(gmail) and it still came through with 'Loopy via groups.io'
I'd have to see the entire From field from the header to understand this. My experience is that messages posted from gmail addresses don't have any rewriting of their From field.

I can understand it being the email provider in one case but in both
email providers? Other people in the group don't have these issues
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Do you mean that you received the message and looked at it in two different email providers? it is always possible that your email provider is rewriting the From field on messages received from lists for its own reasons.

The fact that other members of your group are not having the issue tends to point a finger at your receiving email service / user interface.

Shal


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Re: Why does OBO appear in posts?

 

i don¡¯t know if this makes sense, is correct, clarifies, or confuses things, but it¡¯s what I posted later in reply to the original question?


I believe it¡¯s not so much what Outlook requires, as it is what the outgoing email server (in my case?) wants to see.
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?I used to use totally POP email on Outlook with my AOL addresses, and there was no problem. ?But I had to start synching my mail across devices (I don¡¯t have an Outlook Exchange acct) so switched to imap email because they wont accept the POP address. That¡¯s when I noticed I couldn¡¯t use the alias <ken@weekendrproducts>, I must use <weekendrproducts@...> otherwise the OnBhOf is appended. ?Before the email went thru the POP server of my internet provider (?and?I believe it¡¯s no so much what Outlook requires, as it is what the outgoing email server (in my case?) wants to see.
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?I used to use totally POP email on Outlook with my AOL addresses, and there was no problem. ?But I had to start synching my mail across devices (I don¡¯t have an Outlook Exchange acct) so switched to imap email because they wont accept the POP address. That¡¯s when I noticed I couldn¡¯t use the alias <ken@weekendrproducts>, I must use <weekendrproducts@...> otherwise the OnBhOf is appended. ?Before the email went thru the POP server of my internet provider (?and?).?
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Caveat: I¡¯m far from even a neophyte on the going¡¯s on of electronic mail, so my explanation may be (probably is) way off base. What I think happens is just based on my observations. ?If ANYONE has more guru-ish input on this maybe everyone can benefit.?
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Caveat: I¡¯m far from even a neophyte on the going¡¯s on of electronic mail, so my explanation may be (probably is) way off base. What I think happens is just based on my observations. ?If ANYONE has more guru-ish input on this maybe everyone can benefit.?
How Do I Create a Markdown Table that Shows Borders? #markdown #tables #howto

JMichaelTX
 

I seem to be unable to create a Markdown table that shows table/cell borders, as shown in this guide:

Here is an example:

First Header Second Header
Content Cell Content Cell
Content Cell Content Cell


Also, notice how the table headers run together. How do I fix this?

<br. Any ideas/suggestions?
Re: Bounching at ATT and Yahoo mail addresses

 

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 02:15 PM, Don Clark wrote:
Is this a competitive?restriction by Yahoo and ATT against Groups.io?
I seriously doubt it.? They're probably not even aware that Groups.io exists.? It's just something that seems to happen regularly with those services.? I'd say about 50% of the time, things start working again before the members go to Bounced (red) status, possibly a bit more.

Duane
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Re: subscribing to calendar issues

 

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 02:16 PM, Paige Loter wrote:
Two days ago my calendar events disappeared from google on my computer but not on my phone or on ical.
That would make me think that Google is 'improving' things again.? They've changed things before that have caused problems for Groups.io.

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Re: subscribing to calendar issues

 

Thank you,?Toby. I have used the wiki to help many people subscribe to the calendar. It works fine. Except for the Android users.?

My calendar setting is already at "Subscribers can view, moderators can edit"

I realize that cozi and google and ical will receive the same ics file and handle it differently, but I'm wondering if there is some reason why some events show up and others do not. Have we set something on those specific events to make them not appear or appear? I can't figure out what it would be since they were all entered by the same person in the same way.?

All members of my group that have tried have been able to successfully subscribe to the calendar either with google or ical... except the android users. There are a couple of them. I will check that they have settings on their end to enable sync and viewing.?

Regarding the google refresh, I had my calendar subscribed on google and ical. Both working fine. Two days ago my calendar events disappeared from google on my computer but not on my phone or on ical. I did not change anything. I tried removing the calendar and resubscribing. It appears on the left as one of my calendars but it is empty. What's going on? It was working fine a couple of days ago and I haven't changed anything?

Paige
Bounching at ATT and Yahoo mail addresses

 

My group just?recently?experienced a large number of members who are bouncing;?all on the same date October?10th.
The total number of bouncing members was 28.

It is most interesting that of the 28, ATT was the email service provider for 4, and 21 was to a Yahoo address.
I have noticed that ATT is still handling email sent to Yahoo addresses.

Another Interesting bit?of information; Yahoo groups shows no bouncing to the same goups.io members.

Is this a competitive?restriction by Yahoo and ATT against Groups.io?

Don Clark

It might be a good Idea for Mark to contact ATT and Yahoo to see if he can have them correct this issue.?
Re: subscribing to calendar issues

 

Paige,
There is some info here ->?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Sync-with-your-Google-Calendar
Be sure to check the visibility of your calendar in Admin -> Settings


Groups.io provides an ics file (feed.ics) via a custom URL.? The ics file contains the events in your group calendar.? What the client (user's calendar program) does with those events is the client's responsibility.
There is no mechanism for groups.io to push new/updated events to the client, the client can only poll the server to see if the feed.ics file contains new contents.? Google seems to poll daily.
I use Google calendar and an android phone (8.0.1) and can view group events on my PC and phone calendars.? Also check calendar settings to ensure that the subscribed calendar is enabled for sync and viewing (checkboxes in both cases).
Some (on google forums) have reported that the refresh is not too reliable and the only workaround I'm aware of is to remove and re-add the calendar. YMMV.
Thanks.
Toby
Re: Polls

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Non members are not allowed?access in my groups either.
But all members in the group should be able to vote because the group was set up so members are unable to post to the group except for the handful that offer tag offers in the group. The other members would have nothing to offer to the group.
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Date: 10/13/2018 1:14:19 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Polls
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Our group is composed of members that are owners of a specific type of sailboat, and whenever we make a poll it usually is to ask questions about something specific pertaining to that sailboat. Feedback from people via a poll that do not own this type of sailboat, would not be relevant to our members, unless they had owned one of these sailboats in the past. Of course, people do join our group to learn about these sailboats, and to see if there any of them for sale. Once they pass the Pending Subscription part of joining, they can post after one moderated post¡­and vote in a poll. Non-members are not allowed access into our group, but if we were a public group it wouldn¡¯t matter who posted or voted in a poll.

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Re: Polls

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Look, my polls are really meaningless in the scheme of things.
I am the owner and really what I say goes.
I just wanted to let the members feel they had a say.
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My groups aren't as important as many of the other groups on IO
Mine are more hobby?groups.
Entertainment.
They aren't meeting groups, business groups or important groups.
Not even important to me although some of them have been in existence for over 10 years.
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They are G rated graphic groups and Tag groups.
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So what if a member votes more then once. Hopefully I have that under control to not allow
Duplicate?memberships. But yes, a member can join with a completely different email and
Vote twice. So be it.?In that case when a tag offer is put out they can request 2 tags?having a
different name on each one.??
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Well then a setting should be made to allow
1) ALL to Vote
2) Only members who aren't being moderated
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My poll was just to see if the members wanted me to continue playing games in the group.
Ilene?
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Date: 10/13/2018 1:14:10 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Polls
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A group Owner, or Moderator (with permission), controls if a Poll is created and what the choices are, which means a Poll is not necessarily unbiased. So having an option to limit which Subscribers/Members are permitted to vote is not a question of fairness. However the inability to allow all Subscribers/Members to vote is a restriction without merit.
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BTW, I would think the most difficult thing might be to prevent any person from voting more than once (by having more than one subscribed email address), but I don¡¯t think anyone is suggesting that should be a feature.
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> Maybe all members should be able to vote in a poll no matter what their posting privileges are in your group, but not in my group. Until a member posts at least one thing for me to approve, so I can try and determine they are not going to be a problem, they don¡¯t get to participate in polls or posting to the group.
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Re: Polls

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The group is made up of members who can't post to the group.
It is a Tagging Group
Tag?Offers are made in the group and members reply directly to the
Tagger if they want a tag that is offered to them. The members have nothing to offer to the group except for the taggers.
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So when a poll is set up - the only way the members can vote now is if I change their posting privileges.
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"All members regardless of their posting privileges should be able to vote in a poll."
You say why is that exactly?
When the group is made up of members who can't post, who else would be voting if they
weren't allowed to.
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In this type of group it isn't necessary for anyone else but the taggers to post to the group.
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The taggers aren't Moderators
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It isn't an announcement group only.
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Date: 10/13/2018 1:13:36 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Polls
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A group used for announcements (only Moderators can post) might want to poll (all) their members
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> All members regardless of their posting privileges should be able to vote in a poll.
> And why is that exactly?
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> Speaking for myself I cannot see any circumstances whereby I would join or remain in any group where I could not post. I also cannot see why members who cannot post should be able to vote in a poll.
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Re: Polls

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First from writing to support - Mark said the program was set up so members who couldn't post in a group couldn't vote. That is a given.
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Yes, the other members status is set to NP
Override, not allowed to post?
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I don't want them posting to the group as they would have nothing to offer the group except spam as they will not be offering tag offers.
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Ilene
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Date: 10/13/2018 1:13:11 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Polls
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On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 08:09 PM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:
No, the group isn't an announcement group.
There are members who can post to the group. Maybe 15 or so of them.
The others settings are set that they cannot post.
I am still confused as to exactly how you are keeping members from posting. Other than the Announcement setting under Spam Control there does not appear to be any group-wide way to do that.

Do you have all the other members (besides the 15 you mentioned) set to "Override: not allowed to post?"

Regards,
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Re: Why does OBO appear in posts?

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I wrote a couple of days ago about this issue.? This morning I sent email to my group using a different email address (gmail) and it still came through? with 'Loopy via groups.io'?

I can understand it being the email provider in one case but in both email providers?? Other people in the group don't have these issues and yes I do see it as an issue.

Loopy
Re: Printable calendar #calendar

 

I am having the same problem. Before this week, I could see the events in my google calendar and now they are gone.?
-Paige
Display Name, Profile Fields and Member Directory

 

Hi Everyone,? ?I am a newbie here who has been suffering along with a few Google Groups and was stoked when I learned about Groups.io.? ?First impression was that it looked cleaner and seemed better designed - with a fairly impressive feature list.? ? I came to this forum and did a bunch of searches to see if it could do the three most important things to me.? ?Unfortunately, I seem to have gotten only two out of three things I wanted, but it is also possible that I missed something, got something wrong, or don't know about the workarounds.

1.? Display Name.? Everyone who has moderated a Google Group knows how awful it is when someone with the display name Xger72 makes a post - names like that are just not conducive to community building.? ?I was delighted when I learned Groups.io had addressed this - and who cares if the user can change it back - they probably won't and even if a few did it is something I could live with.

2.? Profile Fields.? The next thing I wanted was control over profile fields.? ?This was perplexing - I poked around the entire site and couldn't find a way to do that - just the strange few default fields.? The app seemed so sophisticated it seemed like it must be there somewhere - even more confusing because there was a complete database section - but I couldn't figure out a way to link them up.? Reading some forum posts seemed to confirm the disappointing news that there was no profile fields tool in Groups.io

3.? Member Directory.? ?The last thing I wanted was a really good member directory, which I think is integral to the community.? Naturally I originally hoped to be able to display any of the profile fields I had added in any order but with that not possible hoped it was at least a good directory where any member could be contacted.? I was disappointed to learn that members could "opt out" of having their profile in the directory, and what is far worse the defaults were set so the profile would not be visible.? ?What's worse, the developers, in discussing this used language like "users being forced to use the directory".? No more than being forced to register for the service in the first place - I know I can't be the only one who considers the directory to be an integral part of the community.? Unless I am missing something - and I hope I am - this is a major bummer.

So that's my initial take.? Not quite "shoot from the hip" because I did try to do some research first but if I got anything wrong please let me know - and also let me know if there are any workarounds or integrations to help with these issues, or if they are being planned as features in future releases.?

Thank you


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subscribing to calendar issues

 

I have a very full and not-public calendar that our members would like to subscribe to. We seem to be having lots of issues. I hope someone can make some suggestions that might help or point me to a help page...

My members who use android phones are not able to subscribe to the calendar from their?google calendar. Does the groups.io calendar have to be public for them to subscribe? They are able to subscribe to other calendars.

My members who use cozi?can subscribe but only some of the events show up.

For members who can subscribe from their google calendar, the group.io calendar recently just disappeared. It is still visible on ical.

The members who subscribe using ical can see all events except one.?

Please help, things were working fine and now they are not and my members are getting frustrated!

Thank you!
Paige Loter
Re: Polls

 

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Our group is composed of members that are owners of a specific type of sailboat, and whenever we make a poll it usually is to ask questions about something specific pertaining to that sailboat. Feedback from people via a poll that do not own this type of sailboat, would not be relevant to our members, unless they had owned one of these sailboats in the past. Of course, people do join our group to learn about these sailboats, and to see if there any of them for sale. Once they pass the Pending Subscription part of joining, they can post after one moderated post¡­and vote in a poll. Non-members are not allowed access into our group, but if we were a public group it wouldn¡¯t matter who posted or voted in a poll.

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Don
Re: Polls

 

A group Owner, or Moderator (with permission), controls if a Poll is created and what the choices are, which means a Poll is not necessarily unbiased. So having an option to limit which Subscribers/Members are permitted to vote is not a question of fairness. However the inability to allow all Subscribers/Members to vote is a restriction without merit.

BTW, I would think the most difficult thing might be to prevent any person from voting more than once (by having more than one subscribed email address), but I don¡¯t think anyone is suggesting that should be a feature.

Maybe all members should be able to vote in a poll no matter what their posting privileges are in your group, but not in my group. Until a member posts at least one thing for me to approve, so I can try and determine they are not going to be a problem, they don¡¯t get to participate in polls or posting to the group.
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