On 9/28/18 9:12 PM, Jim Higgins wrote: Outside the realm of politics there are no legal requirements for ACCEPTING donations. Depending upon your legal jurisdiction, there are legal issues regarding acceptance of donations. The legal requirements applicable to a business like Groups.IO involve how they are accounted for once received. You really don't understand how over-arching the department of revenue in some states, counties, and towns can be. legal opinions followed by a disclaimer saying you aren't a lawyer is to
spread FUD - fear, uncertainty and doubt. I take it you aren't aware of the legal disclaimers required, by both lawyers, and non-lawyers, when it comes to relaying information about the law. Why would it not be legally possible to accept donations nation-wide? Because literally every possible legal jurisdiction within the United States, has its own rules on both soliciting, and accepting donations. They aren't taxable by the states the donors live in like payments for Depending upon legal jurisdiction, both the recipient, and giver may be required to pay a tax on the contribution. This is addition to any fees, licenses, or other charges that are incurred, prior to accepting the donation. goods or services rendered are, so state boundaries aren't a
consideration. So where's the problem? State boundaries are a consideration. So are county boundaries. So are city/village/town boundaries. International borders are also a consideration. It isn't just taxes. It also involves licenses. Internationally? Who cares what the regulations in Whatchamacallitstan?
They apply to the donor, not to the Because if you accept a donation from the wrong person, you get to go to jail. And no, I'm not talking about political donations. I'm talking about donations to non-profits. jonathon
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I'm currently using a test group to check out groups.io with a view to migrating our yahoo group later this year.?
I love the Facebook integration feature. Once a month we give our members very short notice as to whether or not a weather-dependent event is going ahead or not. I would love it if rather than having to post this news on both Facebook and our newsgroup pages, I could just post it on Facebook and the newsgroup would be automatically updated within say 10 minutes.
I gather that the Facebook page update cycle is presently twice an hour. Is there any way that we could a feature to allow newsgroup owners to configure these updates to happen more frequently?
Thanks
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Re: member not receiving own posts
Or they don't have send email to self selected as needs to be done for group IO
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Tell them to go to preferences?from the Home page of the group
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Then have them scroll down to where it says
Email Preferences
Tell them to make sure?I always want copies of my own emails checked off. Ilene
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Date: 10/4/2018 6:44:47 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] member not receiving own posts
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On 10/4/18 11:14 PM, Peter Cook wrote:
> I have a member who is not receiving his own posts to the group.
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Some email providers, such as GMail, don't send listmail that originated
with the recipients email address.
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That might be what is happening here.
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Re: Attached Picture Not In Emailed Photos.
Bruce, ? No Edited button. I sent this situation off to support to see what they have to say, and I¡¯ll let you know what they say if I get a reply. ? Don
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Re: member not receiving own posts
Peter,
I have a member who is not receiving his own posts to the group. He has checked his spam folder and that is not the problem. His settings in are to receive single emails.
One possibility is the "Gmail effect". Gmail tends to hide the message that returned from the group because the original (as sent) copy it is already in the conversation. Even with conversation mode turned off. If his email service is Gmail (or a rebranding of the Gmail interface) he'll likely find the returned messages tucked into the Sent folder instead of his Inbox. He can spot this case by posting from your group's web interface; if he receives those but not the messages posted from his email interface then there's a work-around for this in Groups.io: have him check the I always want copies of my own emails box on the Preferences page of his account.
Another possibility relates to email services that interpret a message from the outside (ie, delivered to them by Groups.io) which claims to be from their user as fraudulent. Most often those are delivered to Spam, but some services have been known to reject them outright. You can spot this case by looking at the Email Delivery History tab of his page in your group's Members list. You may find messages from him in his list of Recent Bounces.
Shal
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jonathon,
Did Mark manage to automate the entire process, ...
The only change he's mentioned in the last several weeks has been that Yahoo Groups updated its CAPTCHA system; now he can solve it much more readily. But it isn't any more automated.
or are more groups migrating from YahooGroups now, than back in April?
I think it is likely luck of the draw that more of the groups you're in moved recently rather than at some other time. Or your groups may have clustered together due to commonality of membership / management. "Group think" in the common influences sense of the phrase.
Shal
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Re: member not receiving own posts
On 10/4/18 11:14 PM, Peter Cook wrote: I have a member who is not receiving his own posts to the group. Some email providers, such as GMail, don't send listmail that originated with the recipients email address. That might be what is happening here. jonathon
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On 10/4/18 1:04 AM, Shal Farley wrote: They will get a "You've been added" message from Groups.io at the time
their address is copied to your Groups.io group. Unless you uncheck the
box Bruce mentioned. My suggestion is to _not_ uncheck that box. For those who unsubscribed from your list, by writing a filter to toss it into the spam box, that notice from Groups.IO is the only indicator they will have that something has changed. Don't be surprised to: * get a flood of message from people who haven't sent a message in years, accusing you of spamming them. (They unsubscribed, by sending list-mail to spam.); * see a number of very upset list contributors being automatically unsubscribed, due to the list being perceived as spam; I would rather them receive an email from me rather than groups first
but don¡¯t want to delay.
I concur with Jim that they should hear about it from you in advance,
via a Special Notice in your Yahoo Group. That way you could tell them
to expect the system message and your Welcome notice. +10000 On one list that I thought was dormant, the only notification that the list-owner made, was on a YouTube video. I didn't even know that there was a YouTube channel affiliated with that list. jonathon
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On 10/2/18 8:39 PM, Tom Esker wrote: /static/transfer
Our transfer just went through today! I'm offline for five or six days, and come back to my email, discovering half a dozen lists I subscribe to on YahooGroups, are now at Groups.io. Did Mark manage to automate the entire process, or are more groups migrating from YahooGroups now, than back in April? jonathon
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Re: Data protection regulations and newsgroup transfer query
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On 10/1/18 8:59 PM, michael charles morris wrote: Has anyone had any experience or legal advice on whether we can transfer their info to the Groups.io forum without first obtaining there express permission to do so? This is where you need to have a discussion with both a solicitor that specializes in Privacy Law, especially the GDPR, and a lawyer that specialises in copyright law, in whichever legal jurisdiction you are in. It would also be helpful is the latter was also well-versed in US Copyright law. Almost a decade ago, I migrated most of my lists from YahooGroups, to another platform. At that point in time, the big issue was copyright. According to one lawyer I talked with, because I didn't have explicit permission to migrate individual messages to their new home, doing so might be a copyright violation. However, the same lawyer continued that I had implicit permission, if the only thing that was changing, was the domain name of the list: list@... migrating to list@.... Furthermore, regardless of technical legalities, I probably wouldn't be sued, due to a combination of how expensive court cases are, and my low net-worth. IOW, if I contested it, I could run up court costs, such that regardless of judgement amount, the only winners would be the lawyers. This is not be the type of case a US based lawyer would take on contingency. I would also be encumbered with fairly high legal bills, even if I won. ##### In terms of GDPR compliance, the big issue is "the right to be forgotten". Technically, the list-owner is supposed to delete the messages, upon request. As a practical matter, if one gives the user the tools to delete their own messages, then the list-owner can request the individual to delete their messages. ##### I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice. jonathon
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member not receiving own posts
Hi I have a member who is not receiving his own posts to the group. He has checked his spam folder and that is not the problem. His settings in groups.io are to receive single emails. Other members are receiving his posts, and no one else has reported this problem in the group. Has anyone encountered this before? Many thanks Peter G Cook PopForum moderator
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Re: Attached Picture Not In Emailed Photos.
Look at the message online. Is there a blue tag at upper right that says "Edited?" An example can be found here. If present, this would suggest that the message has been modified since it was originally posted to the group, and perhaps the attachment was removed at that time. Click on the tag to see the revision history. Regards, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: Attached Picture Not In Emailed Photos.
Edited tag? Explain please. ? Don ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
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Subject: Re: [GMF] Attached Picture Not In Emailed Photos. ? On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 01:43 AM, <dgrass1@...> wrote: I have a member that ¡®attached¡¯ a picture to his email to the group, and his picture is not stored in Emailed Photos.
Does the message involved display an "Edited" tag?
Just a thought,
Bruce?
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On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 02:47 PM, Tony Moody wrote:
He is Gone. Not a Member. There is no log in Admin /Activities of the member unsubbing or
having been unsubbed.
Is it possible that this person deleted his groups.io account entirely? In such a case I don't know what group activity entry would be created, if any. If you have a Premium group you might want to try opening his Past Member record and checking there. Regards, Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: Attached Picture Not In Emailed Photos.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 01:43 AM, <dgrass1@...> wrote:
I have a member that ¡®attached¡¯ a picture to his email to the group, and his picture is not stored in Emailed Photos.
Does the message involved display an "Edited" tag?
Just a thought,
Bruce?
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Hallo Shal, A member who asked to be unsubbed and then revoked that before I could do anything. The Owner is coping with Florence storm damage so I put the member on moderation to chill and then received some interesting ad hominem messages both in Pending and my own email address. I wanted to do a Ban, but there is now no sign of the person having been a member except for the Pending messages. On Sep 25 there is a message requiring approval. On Sep 29 there is a a non-member message requiring approval And an application for membership. He is Gone. Not a Member. There is no log in Admin /Activities of the member unsubbing or having been unsubbed. Where else would I see his record? OK, Tony On 3 Oct 2018 at 23:04, Shal Farley wrote about : Subject : Re: [GMF] Account disappeared #memb Dave,
> One of our members reported that he had two gmail accounts registered
> in Groups.io, and one of them (the one he relied on) suddenly
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Re: Attached Picture Not In Emailed Photos.
Shal, ? I sent a message to support about this, and we¡¯ll have to wait for a reply. ? Thanks for your help, Don
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On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 10:02 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:
The additional choice in the very real and actually tested example I gave doesn't have much effect?
In your case, yes, it could.? For my polls, it wouldn't.? As you said, we do have the option of deleting one and starting over, if needed. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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Shal,
You are brilliant!!? I had that first line set as header 1, and it kept the formatting when I inserted the ToC.? Thanks so much for the assist.
Bruce,
Thanks for your advice, I did do a search but only found a few items basically in the wiki. I wonder if the search limits the scope and I didn't realize it.? Live and learn. And I'm sure you are right about the wiki editor. I need to switch over to HTML, but I was "trying" to be lazy.? sigh.
Thanks
Beth
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billca42,
Could someone point me to the instructions on migrating fro Yahoo
Groups to Groups.io?
A link to the Easy Group Transfer
instructions can be found at the bottom of every Groups.io page.
Along with some other handy links:
I want to transfer
all my existing posts and have a way to invite all my existing
members.
You won't need to invite your existing Yahoo Group members, their
addresses (and subscription settings) will be copied into the
Groups.io group during the transfer.
I was told that's
possible, I just can't find the information on how to do that.?
That and more. See also GMF's collection of Group
Transfer notes.
Shal
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