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Re: Rejecting too large attachments
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Pedja,
When You set limit on incoming mail, that means message would beThat presumably happens with Groups.io as well, but the limit might be much larger than classical email servers, and would not be under an individual group's control. Limiting incoming mail keeps resources for everyone, including membersThe need to live within a group's storage allocation is a good reason to have a threshold size limit at the group level. And in that context it probably makes more sense for it to apply to the total of the message's attachments, rather than to each attachment individually. If we relay on outgoing limits, then that means that if user did notTrue, but as I mentioned previously, some (or these days most) of the members might not "suffer" from large (or numerous) attachments, rather they may prefer to have them delivered rather than having to fetch them from the site. That requires all members of the group to manually set those limits.True again, but you can help this along by setting the default for any new members who subscribe in the future. After all having such option does not hurt. Ones who needs it will getWell, yes and no. It doesn't hurt me if none of the groups that I'm in use the feature. But if I'm a member of a group that chooses to limit the attachments, and I have a sturdy email service that doesn't need such a limit, or could tolerate a much higher one, then I am hurt by not receiving the information another member had wanted to send. Or all members are hurt by having to put up with the original member getting around the limit by breaking up the collection and sending "Part 2", "Part 3", ... messages. I'm not saying I'm totally opposed to having such a group option. I'm just pointing out some of the downsides from the member's point of view for consideration. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Rejecting too large attachments
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Does this work with members who do not have groups.io accounts? Most of the members I have are not.On my groups, I set the Default Sub Settings for attachments to 0 (all attachments are sent as links in emails.)? If someone wants to receive the actual attachments, they can change it to whatever size they're comfortable with.? That won't do anything for existing members, only new ones.? If you don't have too many existing members, you could change it for each of them in their Advanced Preferences.? Otherwise you could post instructions on your group and hopefully most would change it, if needed. -- 73, Pedja YT9TP |
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Re: Rejecting too large attachments
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On 23.09.2018 05:56, Bruce Bowman wrote:
I suggest that initially this would be set up to simply reject (send back) messages that exceed the group's limit, and that this limit be chosen from a pick list (like photo size currently is). We can certainly get more elaborate than this if we want to, but the more complicated we make it the less likely it is to be implemented. For the same reason, let's try to reach something approaching a consensus before taking this back to Mark.That would be more than enough. -- 73, Pedja YT9TP |
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This week's change log: Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change. NEW: New member post status overrides:The driving use case for this was members who habitually post new topics with undesirable Subject content. For example things like "Help" or misuse of Hashtags. Moderating the initial post of the topic gives the moderator a chance to improve the Subject text, or send it back to the member for improvement, before the poor Subject has been sent to other members (and hence repeated in their replies). and Override: moderate all topics started by this personThe driving use case for this was members who habitually start controversial topics. The difference is that replies to this topic will also be moderated. Comments about these others are also welcome: BUGFIX: Fixed a bug in the /downloadarchives API endpoint. Please call out any you find significant. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: CC filed being filled in automatically
Ilene,
She doesn't use Incredimail and her address is AOLNo CC field on your messages in GMF, if that's what you're asking. Oh, did you say that you're receiving two copies of such messages? You should take such a pair, and analyze the headers of both, now that you know how. Likely one will show that it passed through Groups.io, while the other will show that it arrived directly at your Gmail. If that's true then it is conclusive evidence that the CC is occurring at the member's email service, not at Groups.io. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Removing specific attachments
Steve,
Besides disallowing all attachments, is there a way to filter andThere's no feature like that. You could moderate all messages, or just that member, and delete the attachments from the messages as they arrive in Pending; but that isn't a practical approach in all groups. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: How long before new group is "active"?
Samuel,
I created a group today and I'm testing it. However, when I send aNeither of those would happen until the sender replies to a confirmation email sent to him/her by Groups.io. ... I (the sender) don't get any feedback, ...You ought to have. Be sure to check your spam folder or anywhere else that your email service may have redirected the confirmation request. For example: Subject: Confirm Your Groups.io SubscriptionYou should have received a similar email, but naming your group rather than my test group. I redacted some identification numbers. Does this mean groups.io has finally stopped, ...How dramatically apocalyptic. :-\ or does it mean that my group takes a while to be activated, or what?As Duane said, new groups do need to be approved. I know that your group won't send out any emails to members until it is approved, but I don't happen to know if the +subscribe email command is also disabled. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Rejecting too large attachments
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This message contains a 55MB attachment. I don't expect you to let it go through on moderation...but the fact remains, if this group was not moderated the message would go right on through and be forwarded to every member of the group.
Please consider this when responding to Pedja. Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help [Attachment trimmed by moderator. Please don't use GMF as a test group.] |
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Re: Rejecting too large attachments
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On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 06:18 PM, Pedja wrote:
Moderation is not practical. It just slows down everything. We want to let people freely exchange attachments as long as attachments as those are usualz documents that are supposed to be sent to all members.This option has been requested before (see??). It hasn't been brought up in awhile, but with that massive photo attachment that Mark had to address, it seems to me that the time is ripe to revisit this. *My* main concern stems from the possibility that people will someday start posting videos. So for what it's worth, I agree with you; and if you eventually make a feature request back in beta I will certainly give it a bump. I suggest that initially this would be set up to simply reject (send back) messages that exceed the group's limit, and that this limit be chosen from a pick list (like photo size currently is). We can certainly get more elaborate than this if we want to, but the more complicated we make it the less likely it is to be implemented. For the same reason, let's try to reach something approaching a consensus before taking this back to Mark. ? My $0.02, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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Re: Mail not being delivered
Ilene,
If I am reading it right - it was a Google hold up and a 3 hour delayAs I read it the 3 hour delay was detected at the receipt by Google. Which may mean that IncrediMail (or your email application) took that long to send it on to Google. Or it could mean that Google wasn't available for three hours, but that seems much less likely to me. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: CC filed being filled in automatically
Ilene,
Another thing I did notice was *Via Groups IO* gets attached to theirThat's Groups.io's work-around for "the DMARC problem" at work. If IncrediMail has a way to show you the full from address (including the email address, not just the display name) you'll find that those members' messages are From: displayname <username@...>It is the fact that the actual From address ends with @groups.io rather than the member's actual domain (yahoo.com) that causes the phrase "Via groups.io" to be displayed by Incredimail (and many other services). Why this address munging is necessary for some email services is a bit of a long sad story. Search GMF for "DMARC" and you'll likely find more than you wanted to know. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: [email protected] not working for me
Janie,
Very unimpressed. Who runs IO???I read elsewhere that your invitation has been accepted; so finally good news. But to address your question: Near the beginning of the month I asked Mark Fletcher (who runs Groups.io) about transfer times. He said then that they were running about a week behind, and he tries not to let it get much more than that. He also reported that Yahoo had changed their CAPTCHA system and that is making it much easier for him to accept invitations. He was planning to cut the backlog down that day (9/4). And the above is EXACTLY what I have done, yet six weeks out the firstSo I suspect that something you did in the last few days got your transfer into the queue, where before it had not been. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Rejecting too large attachments
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On 22.09.2018 22:44, Duane wrote:
In your group settings, you could set the Attachments option under Message Formatting to Moderated.? Then you could see how large they are before approving them.Moderation is not practical. It just slows down everything. We want to let people freely exchange attachments as long as attachments as those are usualz documents that are supposed to be sent to all members. We have problems only if attachments are too large. We simply do not want members to be able to send such emails at all. On my groups, I set the Default Sub Settings for attachments to 0 (all attachments are sent as links in emails.)? If someone wants to receive the actual attachments, they can change it to whatever size they're comfortable with.? That won't do anything for existing members, only new ones.? If you don't have too many existing members, you could change it for each of them in their Advanced Preferences.? Otherwise you could post instructions on your group and hopefully most would change it, if needed.Well, with lists with several hundred members that is hardly solution. -- 73, Pedja YT9TP |
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Re: Rejecting too large attachments
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In your group settings, you could set the Attachments option under Message Formatting to Moderated.? Then you could see how large they are before approving them.
On my groups, I set the Default Sub Settings for attachments to 0 (all attachments are sent as links in emails.)? If someone wants to receive the actual attachments, they can change it to whatever size they're comfortable with.? That won't do anything for existing members, only new ones.? If you don't have too many existing members, you could change it for each of them in their Advanced Preferences.? Otherwise you could post instructions on your group and hopefully most would change it, if needed. Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Re: integration with Cozi calendar
Paige,
I have subscribed to my groups calendar from my Cozi calendar app andI haven't used Cozi, but I did test subscribing my groups calendar from my Gmail calendar. I was puzzled by some missing events but found that they appeared later. It seems that Gmail waits several hours or a day between updates from the group calendar. Maybe something similar happens with Cozi. (The subscription mechanism requires the subscriber to periodically check for updates, updates are not "pushed" from the subscribed calendar). Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Impossible Addresses on Replies to an Email List
Sharon,
Yup. That's a problem with how Yahoo Groups handled the DMARC problem Yahoo Mail and AOL created. Groups.io does it right (keeps the actual email address unique per member).¡°[email address] [PublishingDC]" <PublishingDC@...>The address above was for the person who first posted the message. It "[email protected] Calendar" <[email protected]>I think your email interface must have picked up the display name from that message and stored it away in your address book as the "name" for GMF's posting address. So now that's what it shows you for our address. Change your email interface settings, or protest to whoever provides your email interface (your service, your mobile device vendor, etc.). Disable the setting that automatically stores received email addresses in your contact list. It is safer to automatically store only addresses you send to (those are more likely to be right, once you've cleared the bogus entries out of your address book). And/or change your interface settings so that you are shown the actual email address, not just the "display name" or the address book entry name. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: Rejecting too large attachments
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When You set limit on incoming mail, that means message would be bounced and sender would be informed that his message is too large (that actually happens on each classical mail server, when someone tries to send too big email).
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Limiting incoming mail keeps resources for everyone, including members and groups.io. Simply said, there is always reasonable message size that is accepted, or rephrased, there is always message size that is considered ridiculously big and unacceptable. Each user of groups.io service should pay attention on resources he uses, whether he uses free or paid service. Free service provides quite limited space so each unnecessary big attachment is important. Those paying should especially require option to prevent someone sending ridiculously big emails and spending payed resources. Actually, this is the first time in my quite a long history of administering mail lists that I met situation I cannot set limit size of messages coming to the list. If we relay on outgoing limits, then that means that if user did not set limit for messages sent to him, he will suffer each time someone sends ridiculously big attachments. That requires all members of the group to manually set those limits. And we should not forget that number of group member are not knowledgeable in mailing and mail lists, they need thing to be kept safe and simple with not too much efforts. After all having such option does not hurt. Ones who needs it will get it. Ones who do not need it should not use it. On 22.09.2018 21:21, Shal Farley wrote:
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