On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:46 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:

Is it possible to set the default sort order for a directory to uploaded descending (most recent at the top)?

The sort order can be changed as needed by clicking on the column headers. As Duane mentioned, some way to "remember" this has been suggested a few times, with no clear consensus being reached on how it would be done. Is *forcing* subscribers to see the files in a certain way really a desirable thing? Is this a group setting or a subscriber setting? If the latter, should it be stored in the subscriber record, or as a browser cookie?

And so on. I suspect resolution remains a long way off.

As a work-around, I suggest that you come up with a file naming convention so the files are initially displayed the way you want. Something like "2018-08 Meeting Minutes" might suffice.
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The problem is that it's encouraged, and kind of breaks down, when the group is private.

Yes Web Access is encouraged - the non ‘mailto’ unsubscribe link is one instance

I think the technically savvy just don’t get how intimidated non-technically savvy ‘civilians’ are.
Many feel very awkward with email
(Think of US President Calvin Coolidge not wanting to touch light switches when the White House was electrified)
Even more fear screwing things up if they try to use websites (touch the third rail of an electric railroad)

These people want to just be Subscribers (email only), rather than Members (email and web access)
NOTE; Groups.io ambiguously interchanges Subscriber and Member as if no one has difficulty with doing more than email…
Technology is more accessible when advances are ‘backwards compatible’, i.e. do not remove the most basic options of the most basic users.

I guess it mostly boils down to the links in the footer.

Agreed

See also Your Friend, the Footer.

Good info, shows the results of various options, as well as which links are ‘mailto'

And comment on it or update it as needed, if you're so inclined.

This is your best bet - unless/until Groups.io makes the footer ‘Email Subscriber only’ friendly (no web interaction required).
Maybe there should be ‘Email Subscriber only’ and Advanced (email and web) Member sections of the footer...

When I click the Unsubscribe link, it's not a mailto link with +unsubscribe but a link to a login page.
Not only that, but when you read all the fine print it asks you to "Use the Email me a link to log in button above", which is not above, but rather hiding under the "forgot password" link.

‘Loginlinks’ (temporary passwords) cross the line between ‘Email Only’ and ‘Web Access’.

In the early days a lot of effort went in to making the unsubscribe link as streamlined and simple as possible - many of the early adopters had run Yahoo Groups whose memberships were also largely email-only. It is possible that changes have crept in which make it no longer so.

Apparently creep has occurred.

Specific problems, like having the text conflict with the layout of the page, should be reported to [email protected] as bugs.

Anyone wishing to test the Unsubscribe link should be aware of a couple of things:
? If your browser has a Groups.io login cookie (that is, if you are logged in on some tab or window) then you will have a different presentation than an "email only" member who has never visited the site.
? The unsubscribe link contains your account ID (the number just after the word "leave"). This identifies who to unsubscribe. The prompt to use a login link may be a defense against you trying to unsubscribe someone else - it serves the same purpose as the confirmation email sent after a +unsubscribe command.

Serves the same purpose, but not in a friendly to all manner (techies forgot about ‘Email Subscriber only’ users)...


Too bad all the footer email links are not 'mailto' links.

You could add a custom section to the footer,
[in Admin: Settings: Message Formatting: Message Footer ]
such as:

====================================================================================
====================================================================================

TO UNSUBSCRIBE BY EMAIL (ignore the other "unsubscribe" link, SEND AN EMAIL TO:
[email protected]
(NOYE: YOU WILL HAVE TO REPLY TO A ‘CONFIRM YOU UNSUBSCRIPTION' EMAIL, TOO)

====================================================================================
====================================================================================


Some Subscribers and Members tell me that the messages they get have no footers. I haven't seen that happen with Groups.io, but often found the footer missing with YahooGroups when there was an attachment. Unfortunately, I believe many people overlook or ignore footers.

You can change it, but it's not remembered.? Remembering the default (last used) for each user has been brought up on the beta group several times.? I believe it's on the todo list.

Duane
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Hi, Dave,

Actually, I (the list owner for the group in question) saw this person's request and
changed their name earlier this morning.

The old name did get transferred from Yahoo and that's what kept showing up
when they posted.? But that should now change.

Peter

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Be sure to check the Display Name for the Group and the Display Name for the Account - they are different.
I just tested this and the Display Name for the Group is used in the From: field in the emails sent from groups.io.
If no Display Name for the Group is set, then no Name is added to the From: field, it only contains the email address.? And on the web, no display name is shown for the subscriber, for any messages (it shows the @username if that is set).

Thanks
Toby

Thanks (though I would argue that my "misunderstanding" is a caused by a complete lack of explanation on the Settings page of what it does)

For one of my groups, most of the files we upload are either minutes of meetings or officer reports.? When I go to, for example, the minutes folder, the files are all in alphabetical order.? Since the files are named things like "August 2018 General Meeting Minutes", this means that the minutes for every April for all years comes first, then the August one and so on.

Not so useful.

Is it possible to set the default sort order for a directory to uploaded descending (most recent at the top)?

Best,

Glenn


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In Admin - Settings - Default Sub Settings, I have set Time Display format to "Military Time" and the Date Display to "YYYY-MM-DD" but this is apparently being ignored in my Calendar and groups.io is just using and posting US standard formats.

Is this a known bug??

That you can have a private group, and you are not strictly forced to use the web-interface.
The problem is that it's encouraged, and kind of breaks down, when the group is private.

I don't understand this. It certainly doesn't happen with my groups. They are private and the web interface requires authentication.

Best,

Glenn


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Thanks everybody for the good responses :-)

I'm aware of all the points you bring up.
That you can have a private group, and you are not strictly forced to use the web-interface.
The problem is that it's encouraged, and kind of breaks down, when the group is private.

The reply-to: issue is separate matter, and of course dependent on client behaviour, but from my, admittedly limited, experience hand crafting mailheaders, what I want should be entirely doable. But all that is s secondary at this point.

I guess it mostly boils down to the links in the footer.

An example.
When I click the Unsubscribe link, it's not a mailto link with +unsubscribe but a link to a login page.
Not only that, but when you read all the fine print it asks you to "Use the Email me a link to log in button above", which is not above, but rather hiding under the "forgot password" link. There is no way I can ask my users to jump through hoops like this to unsubscribe. I'd end up doing it manually, and with loss of goodwill.
The same goes for the New Topic link, etc.
I expect this behaviour may be partially because the group is private, but I can see at least one way this could have been made much smoother regardless.

Yes you can do without the webinterface, but you have to know all these things or read the docs, and there is no way I can expect that to work with 40 random parents of 6 year olds.

I seem to remember a time when mailinglists were big and freemium listservs must have been plentiful, before yahoo and googlegroups made the territory a wasteland :-(
Now its looking like I might end up having to sign up for some cheap hosting with cpanel and gnu mailman to get what I want.
I'd much rather pay someone a little to avoid setting up and maintaining all that, but who..?

Gaute

PS. I'm in the UTC+1 timezone, so that's why the latency :-)

Hi --

I have a strange problem with the name of one of our users.

This person changed their name some time ago, long before we transferred our
Yahoo group to groups.io.

This person's "display name" is set correctly on groups.io, as shown on the
web interface.

However, their old name is showing up in the messages that they send to the
group, in the "From:" header line. In fact, all of the entries for this user
in the activity log show the old name, even though the new name is shown at
the top of that page.

How is that happening -- i.e., how did the old name get irasferred to groups.io
in the first place -- and what can I do to fix it?

Any ideas, or should I send this to [email protected]?

-- Dave Tweed

Milt, and others with BigTent groups --

I've had some emails with Mark Fletcher about this and he confirms that if any BigTent mod wants to import to Groups.io, and can get their archive into mbox format, then they should zip (or gzip) the mbox file and upload it to online file storage somewhere.

Then send an email to [email protected] with a link to the uploaded file and the particulars of the group to which it should be uploaded. Mark didn't mention it, but I would imagine the group's own Files section could be used for this, presuming that the archive fits. Which it certainly ought to if you zip or gzip it.

Upon request, BigTent Support sent our group's BigTent moderator a
dump of all discussions dating from the time the group moved to
BigTent in 2014 up to to a few days ago. It took a few days for them
to get this done.

That's very good news for anyone looking to move here from BigTent.

The dump was in .tgz format, ...

That's a common compressed format, similar in function (but not detail) to zip file format. By itself that doesn't tell you anything about the file(s) inside the tgz (TAR GZip) file.

and our tech guru, Bob Leder, successfully created a simple python
program to convert the entries from that dump into email messages and
mail them individually to our groups.io group.

So your group's problem is likely solved to your satisfaction.

For other BigTent group mods Bob's utility is probably a good place to start for a utility that will convert that dump into an mbox file. Mbox is a concatenation of raw email messages, so it may be as simple as doing a file capture of the messages after they are formed and then not sending them (don't call the SMTP part of the program).

If Bob would be willing to make a version of his utility that outputs an mbox file, that would be a big help for others. The advantage of having Groups.io import it, versus what Bob did, is that support can put the original message Date: and From: information in place in the group's Messages.

This is probably also an opportunity for those wanting to import from Mailman lists or other services that can deliver your archive in mbox format (or in a format you can convert to mbox).

I don't think Mark is willing to take on the effort to research and implement conversion utilities from BigTent or other formats, so that part of the process is on you, the person wanting the import.

Shal


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Ken,

ive figures out how to make the “table of my topics page” but when making a true ToC, what is the first line of garbage that appears in brackets (understand it’s part of the coding for sub heading levels) but WHY????

The TOC is the one aspect of the wiki editor that isn't WYSIWYG. When editing you see a code that is a placeholder for the TOC. You can edit the number in there to change the number of levels, and/or the text to change the heading. For example:

When you save the edit it will render as a TOC:

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Shal


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Jim,

How long do i have to wait. Its been over 2 months.

The backlog is currently less than one week. So check your In Process page, there should be a status box at the top.

Most likely you missed a step somewhere along the way.

Shal


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How long do i have to wait. Its been over 2 months.?

Sandra,

I have not been able to open up the groups.io site all evening. Is
there something going on?

Not from my direction. I've been popping in to approve posts all day long (including yours just now).

Shal


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vijaybhuchar,

Some of the invitees who have joined (possibly not through the
invitation process but separately via web or subscription email) are
still showing up as "invited" instead of "accepted".

If they joined the group by other means then that makes sense: they didn't actually accept the invitation.

Where can I suggest that when the IT people get some time there could
be a process to check if when someone subscribes that their email
address is matched to an invited email address so that this
information is updated.

That's a good suggestion. The official "suggestion box" is the beta group:


You could suggest that the status change to "joined", to keep that case distinct from "accepted".

Shal


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