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On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 06:11 PM, magicalkingdomgroups@... wrote:

I would like a bulk remove feature for deleting messages (archives)

Especially the ones with attachments that are?eating up all of my allotted space.

Don't forget that deleting messages is pointless if you are running out of storage space because messages don't count towards your available total. OK deleting attachments will help, but not the messages themselves.

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One of my groups is a graphic group and it is already at 1GB's in one month's

time. Ilene ?

Graphics are likely to guzzle storage space, and you might have to consider becoming a Premium Group (at cost) to get more, especially if you are getting close to the limit in just a month.

What percentage of your space has been taken up by each of Files, Attachments and Photos? Some fairly brutal deletions might be necessary, IMHO.

Chris

I don't think the actual messages count against your storage total.? i.e message archives have no limit but attachments do
So as Jim H said, auto remove the most ancient attachments seems a less labor intensive way to go.
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While a bulk remove feature for messages (and their attachments) does seem useful abd should be considered... it won't be as convenient for you as features already available.

It seems to me that in your case setting your group's "Out of Space" settings to delete old(er) attachments when the group is out of space would achieve pretty much this same purpose with considerably less ongoing effort on your part. It will also delete as needed... giving slightly better retention time than if you delete something a week (or whatever) before auto delete would have deleted it. Granted auto deletion doesn't allow for selectivity, but when you're running out as fast as you are, you probably can't afford to be all that selective for very long anyhow.

Jim H



Received from magicalkingdomgroups@... at 8/17/2018 02:36 PM UTC:

Is their still a backlog of transfers to Groups.io still?? What is the realistic time for a migration right now?

Anyone who just completed one -- how long did it take for yours to be completed?

On 2018-08-16 9:52 p.m., Marv Waschke wrote:

Therefore, combining sighted and blind moderator's forums is a simplification.

Maybe. Maybe not.

A person that doesn't use a screen reader, doesn't need to know how to
skip the first 500+ words on a page, each time they approve/reject a
message.

For a person that uses a screen reader, knowing how to do so, can save
five or more minutes, per message to be approved/rejected.

A group that dealt with the issues of using a11y tools on the Groups.IO
site might be useful. Not just blind list managers, but MS suffers, for
example. (This group tends to use joysticks for data input.)

If one is going to go the hashtag route, then hashtags for the name of
the screen reader are needed. (#Jaws, #WindowEyes, #Orca, #NVDIA, etc.)
Additionally:
* #Perkins - Perkings Keyboard;
* #Joystick - Joystick used for input;
* #BrailleDisplay --- Braille Display Monitor;

Maybe hashtags for the specific virtual keyboards, and/or mouse
emulation software and/or voice input software would also be useful.

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I can see it now. A message with hashtags #Dragon #JAWS #Blind, but no
hashtag for the specific problem.

jonathon

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 12:43 PM, Beth Weld wrote:

Documentation tends to focus on the complicated, but to others, simple is complicated.

Positively Zen - like. Perhaps there should be a "Zen" Hashtag... :)

Chris

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 02:23 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Were most of these people previously on Special Notices or No Email? Those accounts often end up getting moved anyway...they can't be Bouncing if nothing is being sent to them.

Come to think of it, er, yes I think most of them were, and it was the "welcome" message that triggered a bounce.?

Thanks for thinking of that.

Chris

This is insane! Google is saying they can't determine whether the email came from your account, but then go on to say the real sender does not have access to your account. How do they know if they don't know? They're using spam detection methods that should have died in the late 90s and making it up as they go along.

It seems to me that you're getting this only because it appears to be from you. I'd just ignore it... because your chance of talking to anyone at Google (Yahoo, Hotmail, etc) is about zero... or add a second non-Google address to your account and post group notices from there. Then - at least as far as Google can see - you're not sending to yourself.

Jim H



Received from Nelson Vergel at 8/16/2018 03:23 PM UTC:

I wish to ask the owner of a private group of which I'm a member (archive invisible to public) to create a sub-group whose message archive will be visible to all primary group members but posting only by sub-group members. I'm not clear from what I've read in the help etc if this is possible...

Thanks,
Stew

Have you tried putting the info in a PDF file containing clickable links?

Jim H



Received from Joan C at 8/16/2018 01:44 PM UTC:

No. You check the box(es) next to the member(s) and then drop down to the "Actions" button. Click it to open a list of actions and select REMOVE to remove all the checked members.

Bulk remove is if you have a list of email addresses or user names. go ahead and click Bulk Remove - it's safe to do that - and you'll see the info it wants.

Jim H



Received from Dawson, Rosemary via Groups.Io at 8/16/2018 11:54 PM UTC:

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 07:42 AM, Chris Jones wrote:

I'm not going to say that it isn't correct but it doesn't accord with my / our experience. The group I moderate has just over 2900 "members"; the bouncing list has about 650 entries, with the vast majority identified as bouncing on the day we migrated from Yahoo.

Were most of these people previously on Special Notices or No Email? Those accounts often end up getting moved anyway...they can't be Bouncing if nothing is being sent to them.?

Whether they continue to bounce in groups.io also depends on subscription settings...those on No Email will only show a bounce for the transfer and welcome messages.

Regards,
Bruce
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Thanks so much Bruce and Shal,
Such small things can drive you crazy especially when you "know" that you didn't change anything.?

Another note for my beginning members in a file/wiki somewhere.? It would be great to have some help topics on basic stuff like this for newbies.? Documentation tends to focus on the complicated, but to others, simple is complicated.

Thanks again
Beth

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 08:16 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

1. ... The way I understand the easy transfer process is that when the
transfer is made, all of the non-bouncing email addresses are
automatically subscribed.

Correct.

I'm not going to say that it isn't correct but it doesn't accord with my / our experience. The group I moderate has just over 2900 "members"; the bouncing list has about 650 entries, with the vast majority identified as bouncing on the day we migrated from Yahoo. Most of the bounces are recorded as "no such account" or another form of words that means much the same thing. It is as though they had been bouncing for quite some time, but that Yahoo had not bothered to record the fact. Another oddity is that some addresses seem to be "cut off" immediately, while others have a whole string of bounced messages recorded before the sending process is suspended.

Group content is "owned" by the member that uploaded it (or posted it). For the purposes of the transfer that means the email address of the member in the Yahoo group. If the address doesn't exist in the Groups.io group when the content is copied, then that "ownership" is broken. For uploaded content I believe it becomes "owned" by the person who initiated the transfer.

In a default transfer, where the members and content are both copied, the transfer agent copies the membership first so that this only affects the members that were bouncing in the Yahoo Group (or had left it) at the time of the transfer.

I'm not entirely sure about that either. I would agree that photos copied across are attributed to the person initiating the transfer if theri originator is no longer a member, but I'm not sure that messages get the same treatment. ISTR finding posts from people who were no longer members with their names still shown.

Back to "bounces"... does anyone else find the Bounce Probe a bit "lacking"? The Activity Log records the sending of one, but there is no record of whether the address still bounces or not; it is something of a loose end IMHO.

Chris

Spencer,

... if the questions have already been answered, please point me to
them.

There's quite a bit of material available in GMF's wiki page about transferring Yahoo groups:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups

1. ... The way I understand the easy transfer process is that when the
transfer is made, all of the non-bouncing email addresses are
automatically subscribed.

Correct.

Can we have just the content moved over without subscribing the
current yahoo group members?

Yes, but I recommend against it in most cases.

Group content is "owned" by the member that uploaded it (or posted it). For the purposes of the transfer that means the email address of the member in the Yahoo group. If the address doesn't exist in the Groups.io group when the content is copied, then that "ownership" is broken. For uploaded content I believe it becomes "owned" by the person who initiated the transfer.

In a default transfer, where the members and content are both copied, the transfer agent copies the membership first so that this only affects the members that were bouncing in the Yahoo Group (or had left it) at the time of the transfer.

2. Can we take all of the old content and move it to an archive
subgroup?

You can transfer your Yahoo Group to the archive subgroup instead of the primary group.

The same thing applies as above: include the membership in the transfer to the subgroup. The members will automatically be added to the primary group as well.

3. Is if possible for a moderator or owner to move posts from a group
to a subgroup or vice versa?

No.

That feature has been requested, but it is not (yet?) implemented.

4. Can the owner or moderator delete posts that do not conform to the
terms of use?

A moderator given the "Edit Archives" permission, or an owner, can delete any post or content. For any reason.

A member may delete his own posts or content. Again for any reason. This is the meaning and value of the "ownership" described above.

Shal


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Hi...I'm very new to this, so bear with me and if the questions have already been answered, please point me to them.??
1.? I want to transfer from yahoo groups, but I want to take the chance to clean up the email addresses and make sure that the ones we subscribe to the groups.io are current members.? The way I understand the easy transfer process is that when the transfer is made, all of the non-bouncing email addresses are automatically subscribed.? Can we have just the content moved over without subscribing the current yahoo group members?
2.? Can we take all of the old content and move it to an archive subgroup?
3.? Is if possible for a moderator or owner to move posts from a group to a subgroup or vice versa?
4.? Can the owner or moderator delete posts that do not conform to the terms of use?

Am I correct that if I want to remove a name from the Pending Member list that I can check the box next to the name and select Bulk Remove?

Thanks,

Ro