Re: Group for blind managers
Thanks to all the blind input. After reading everyone's opinion, lets take the road of keeping all just as is presently and use the #blind hashtags if necessary.
Al
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 5:04 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] Group for blind managers Andy, while I I see where you and Joseph are coming from. And I'm I'm with Joseph's decision. I believe that for those of us that you screen readers not mean particularly, but for those that do that find it hard to fall the GMF group, would benefit from having a blindness related manager's forum. Going back to Shell's comment, about making a hashtag for the so-called reason. I find it that most blind people don't use hashtags in their mail. There are a lot of us that do nothing but just read them via email and they don't fall the web. So what I suggest that we do here, would either leave it as it is as you've already stated, or we can split it out and then if there is a message of importance in the regular GMF group, we could make sure that that gets sent over to the blind GMF Group as well if we do make a safer group. I would make it my duty to make sure that happened. If anybody else's mind changes. But is the way I'm seeing now is that we should just keep it as one group. [excess quote trimmed by moderator]
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Re: Identical Email going to to my subgroup aol email aol address not going to me at main group other aol email address
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Identical Email going to to my subgroup aol email aol address not going to me at main group other aol email address
Identical Email going to to my subgroup aol email address AAAA@...?not going to me at main group other aol email address BBBB@...? I sent an identical message through both my group and my sub group, for which I have different AOL email addresses.? The message to the subgroup came through, but not from the main group to another aol email address.? Also tried sending from the groups.io web page, still no success to my main group aol email address.? Nothing in the spam folder, no bouncing on my account. Any thoughts?
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Great, good support.
Sorry if you get two of these, not sure if 1and1 ever fixed my WEBmail.
To work around that, I "always" read and post from the Group site.
Problem solved if I return to doing just that.
Rick
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On August 15, 2018 at 1:31 PM Toby Kraft <toby@...> wrote: > > > Mark just reported that he has fixed this bug.? Works now in my testing. > Toby > > >
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Thanks, I also tried the non-blue button with erratic partial results.
Rick
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On August 15, 2018 at 12:56 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:06 AM, RickGlaz wrote: > > > > > > > > > Changes entered here do not save. The only thing that happens is page > > re-loads blank. ( /g/CHAD/editprofile ) > > > > /g/CHAD/editprofile > > > > UBlock says it is not blocking anything. > > > > > > > > No big deal, but what to do next? > > > > > > I just tried this and it's not working for me, either. > > There is something seriously wrong going on this morning with the server that handles member accounts. > ? > Bruce > -- > The system Help is your friend.??/static/help > > >
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Yes, several times. Left, came back, tried again...
Thanks, Rick
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On August 15, 2018 at 11:50 AM "Chris Jones via Groups.Io" <chrisjones12@...> wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 04:06 PM, RickGlaz wrote: > > > > > No big deal, but what to do next? > > This might seem like a silly question but you are clicking on Update Group Profile once you have made the changes, aren't you... > > Chris > > >
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Re: Group for blind managers
Andy, while I I see where you and Joseph are coming from. And I'm I'm with Joseph's decision. I believe that for those of us that you screen readers not mean particularly, but for those that do that find it hard to fall the GMF group, would benefit from having a blindness related manager's forum. Going back to Shell's comment, about making a hashtag for the so-called reason. I find it that most blind people don't use hashtags in their mail. There are a lot of us that do nothing but just read them via email and they don't fall the web. So what I suggest that we do here, would either leave it as it is as you've already stated, or we can split it out and then if there is a message of importance in the regular GMF group, we could make sure that that gets sent over to the blind GMF Group as well if we do make a safer group. I would make it my duty to make sure that happened. If anybody else's mind changes. But is the way I'm seeing now is that we should just keep it as one group.
On Aug 15, 2018, at 3:31 PM, andy t <andyt8898@...> wrote:
Hello, I tend to agree with Joseph Lee on this point and here is the reason why. If there would be two separate groups there would be fragmentism with in the groups and the one wouldn't know what was happening in the other group hence there would be more clutter with getting emails from both groups.
The way it is now we can all work together for the good of all and we will all keep up with what is happening and we can have a blended group and everything can move along more smoothly and we can help
Those who are not screen reader users understand that we are not out to sow discord among the members but we wish both sides to understand what the other side needs to maintain stability.
I hope everyone understands what I am saying
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Re: Group for blind managers
Hello, I tend to agree with Joseph Lee on this point and here is the reason why. If there would be two separate groups there would be fragmentism with in the groups and the one wouldn't know what was happening in the other group hence there would be more clutter with getting emails from both groups.
The way it is now we can all work together for the good of all and we will all keep up with what is happening and we can have a blended group and everything can move along more smoothly and we can help
Those who are not screen reader users understand that we are not out to sow discord among the members but we wish both sides to understand what the other side needs to maintain stability.
I hope everyone understands what I am saying
Here.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:29 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] Group for blind managers Hi, In the short term, it may work; but in the long term, I can see it leading to more fragmentation. Thus I would like to strongly oppose this idea. Even if a supposed group is created, I plan not to join. Cheers, Joseph [excess quote trimmed by moderator]
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Re: Major issues in my group, spoofed or something internal in IO??? Help please.
Jim,
Yahoo rejected all incoming email from USER@... of it didn't originate
from . Spoofing - rare to begin with - went to zero for my groups
when that was implemented.
That level of filtering is done at Groups.io as well.
In the case at hand the spoofed message had an "envelope-from" (the "mail from" provided at connection time in the SMTP protocol) that matched the domain that delivered the message. As such it would also have been accepted by Yahoo Groups also.
However the header-from (the from field provided inside the message header) was spoofed to match the subscription address of the group's owner. This form of spoof is not rejected (by either service) because it is too often used legitimately by people who use email forwarding services.
Shal
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On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 01:32 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
There is something seriously wrong going on this morning with the server that handles member accounts.
Mark reports that the problems with Invite, Direct Add and Profile edits we experienced this morning should be fixed now. See?? Bruce? -- The system Help is your friend.?? /static/help
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Re: Messages bouncing iCloud accounts
Received from Julian Thornhill at 8/8/2018 09:10 PM UTC: "I suspect this may be one for whoever runs <>Groups.io, but can they sort out their bulk email settings. Pretty much every time I get a digest from the <redacted> group I have to unbounce my account because their bulk email settings are dodgy and iCloud bounces it. What "bulk email settings?" Looks to me like iCloud is setting arbitrary standards. I'd be telling the affected member to contact iCloud about the problem. Perhaps the iCloud standards are due to the size of the digest as compared to the device receiving the digest. I'd personally call a 100 kb email received on my iPhone rather unworkable... perhaps iCloud not only agrees, but also forces that interpretation on its users who are using mobile devices. Jim H
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Re: Major issues in my group, spoofed or something internal in IO??? Help please.
Received from Shal Farley at 8/12/2018 02:32 AM UTC: Exactly. This problem may go away as IPv6 gains traction, but for now it is usually the case that entire households, corporate departments, hotels, dormitories, libraries, and in some places /cities/ sit behind a single IP address assigned to their shared router. Or the entire customer base of an ISP sits behind the IP address of a single (or moderate number of) outbound SMTP server(s)... the latter being the thing that actually connects to groups.io to deliver mail and thus is the IP address that groups.io sees as delivery is attempted. The IP address of the poster is down in the headers and isn't seen by Groups.io until after the message has been accepted... at which point some post-acceptance filtering of the headers would be required to zap just that one sender. Yahoo rejected all incoming email from USER@... of it didn't originate from domain.com. Spoofing - rare to begin with - went to zero for my groups when that was implemented. Jim H
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Re: Which is best approach when new member wants to join a specific group?
Don,
When a new member wants to join a specific group and that group requires membership to be approved by moderators, which is the best process?
Possibly more important than whether or not group membership is restricted, is whether the members will likely want or need access to the group's web features. If not, a path by way of Direct Add, Invite, or the +subscribe email command will likely prove simplest for them. 1. Create an account (sign up) with email and set a password; then go to the specific group and click ¡°Join This Group¡± button,
If the group's membership is restricted (moderator approval required) then the button will be labeled "Apply For Membership In This Group". That nit-pick aside...
2. Go directly to the specific group and then click the ¡°Join This Group¡± button. This approach seems to kill two birds with one stone: the account is created and the group is joined.
This is what I would suggest, assuming the member is likely to want or need access to the group's web features. However, in this process, there does not seem to be a way to set the original password rather just a way to change a password.
Po-tay-toh, po-tah-toh. If the person has not previously had a Groups.io account, or has not set a password in their account, then they could "change" their password from nothing to something.
Notably, setting a password is not required for web access as a Groups.io group member. The member can use the "Email me a link to log in" button instead, and never bother to have a password. The Delete Password button actually does what it says, and thereafter the member can either use an emailed link to log in, or can use the "Forgot your password, or don't have one yet?" link to set a new password.
Shal
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Re: Group for blind managers
Hi,
In the short term, it may work; but in the long term, I can see it leading
to more fragmentation. Thus I would like to strongly oppose this idea. Even
if a supposed group is created, I plan not to join.
Cheers,
Joseph
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:07 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [GMF] Group for blind managers Alan, I think it is a good idea. If nobody else besides Joseph is against it, I will definitely create though group and post subscription info here for those that choose to come over. [excess quote trimmed by moderator]
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Which is best approach when new member wants to join a specific group?
Very few of the people wanting to join my group are handy with computers so I need to provide them with relatively simple instructions on how to join. I think I see two ways to join a group if the person does not already have a groups.io account.
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When a new member wants to join a specific group and that group requires membership to be approved by moderators, which is the best process?
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1. Create an account (sign up) with email and set a password; then go to the specific group and click ¡°Join This Group¡± button,
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2. Go directly to the specific group and then click the ¡°Join This Group¡± button. This approach seems to kill two birds with one stone: the account is created and the group is joined. However, in this process, there does not seem to be a way to set the original password rather just a way to change a password.
How does the password actually get set in this approach? Does the new member enter a password and click on change this password since there is no ¡°set password¡± option?
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Don
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Re: Group for blind managers
Alan, I think it is a good idea. If nobody else besides Joseph is against it, I will definitely create though group and post subscription info here for those that choose to come over.
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On Aug 15, 2018, at 7:09 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io <alan1057@...> wrote:
Hello,
Being new to Groups IO and the GMF forum over the last couple of months, I have become aware of at least 3 other blind group owners in addition to myself. Since this brings some unique issues not encountered by sighted owners, I am curious whether there is a blind group managers forum (BGMF) in existence? If so, what is the link to join? If not, do other blind group owners feel this would be a good idea to create? Although much of the advice and direction disseminated by the GMF forum, many of the ways we access options with a screen reader are very different from directions offered by sighted group managers. Thoughts?
Best,
Al
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Re: migrating from mailman?
I learnt by trial and error (in the completely different context of creating
repetitive HTML code), making considerable use of the Excel Help file. If you
want some tuition, I'm willing to help a little, but I suggest we take it off
this group and do it privately before Shal jumps on us for being off-topic. In
case you can't see my email address in the headers, it is ejf@...
Jim
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On 14 Aug 2018 at 19:29, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote: Sounds interesting, ideas where I could learn info on this technique? Sounds
useful for many applications
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Re: Group for blind managers
Al, Joseph, andy,
Lets see what some others that may chime in have to say.
I don't know how well screen readers cope with subject hashtags, but you could establish the hashtag #blind for topics that particularly relate to blind readers of GMF. That would make them easy to find through the Hashtags page, yet remain within GMF for the reasons Joseph cited.
If you want me to apply that hashtag (or some other) to this topic or past topics let me know in this thread or off-list. If there are other ways GMF can support your mission (Wiki pages?) let me know.
Shal GMF Owner
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Mark just reported that he has fixed this bug.? Works now in my testing.
Toby
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Re: Revised invite wording
Are you editing the custom message on the Invite page -or- on the Admin -> Settings -> Member Notices area?? (Notice Type = Invite)
If you are in the Member Notices area, is the Invite notice set as Active? (checkbox)
Toby
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