It's not illegal discrimination, but It is plainly discrimination nonetheless: giving a preference to some group of people while denying it to others based on some personal characteristic which you happen to share with the group you give preference to.

Regardless of the discrimination issue, it's an extremely stupid business decision. Consider Ford Motor Company saying that they are going to give free cars to anyone who is a registered Democrat. Obviously then Ford is not going to make any money selling cars to Democrats since they are giving them to them for free instead. And how many Republicans are going to buy a Ford once they hear about this?

?And finally, it is a violation of group.io's own Terms Of Service / User Conduct section 6 (vi) that states groups.io must not be used in any way which is? "hateful racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable."
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Or is that just a double standard which applies only to the groups.io users but not to the owner?

Art,

Any reason for a delay??

The transfer agent is on vacation:


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Daniel,

I also suspect that this blatant bias for and against certain users
based on their political beliefs is going to soon become a viral hot
topic on social media.

Keep in mind that Groups.io is not turning anyone away. All that has happened is that groups of a certain nature are offered a free upgrade to Premium.

Some may consider it a distinction without a difference, and I'm sure many will, but I don't think offering a discount to a certain class of groups constitutes discrimination against all the others. I certainly don't feel that GMF or my PTA group or my classmate groups, all being non-political, are being discriminated against.

People who have large audiences in social media may be advising others
to avoid, move away from, or otherwise boycott groups.io because of
this discriminatory policy.

People have to make their own decisions, obviously. They should consider whether:

a) the apparent fact that Mark Fletcher holds a political view that they disagree with; or
b) the fact that some groups were offered an upgrade that was not offered to them;

is sufficient cause for them to move to another service, one which likely provides inferior features and support for them and their group members.

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Oh, members are definitely going to see it. Social media way beyond groups.io is going to see it. One does not deliberately discriminate against a large and active segment of the population without them seeing it.

As a free service, groups.io can advocate any political cause that it wants to and if the people who use the service don't like it they obviously can go elsewhere.

However, it seems like a very poor business decision to purposefully drive away current and potential future customers.

From conversations with other group owners I know that they will be taking their groups elsewhere if this offensive discriminatory policy is not retracted.

I also suspect that this blatant bias for and against certain users based on their political beliefs is going to soon become a viral hot topic on social media. People who have large audiences in social media? may be advising others to avoid, move away from, or otherwise boycott groups.io because of this discriminatory policy.

Facebook has recently received a lot of bad publicity due to it's activities which were objectionable to its users. It is puzzling why groups.io would seek the same limelight so recently in the wake of the Facebook experience?

I understand that the moderators of this Group Moderators Forum are not responsible for and have no control over the policies of the groups.io owner. But it does state on the home page of this forum that "We discuss our experiences as Owners and Moderators"?and that is what I am doing here. This discriminatory policy of groups.io? for and against certain of its users based on their political beliefs creates a very unpleasant experience for those group owners who are discriminated against by that policy.
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I invited [email protected]?to start transferring the Yahoo Group I own.
Any reason for a delay??
Thank you.
Ready to start the process.
Art

I stand corrected. Another "factoid" learned long ago.

I did a bit more research and agree that there are multiple interpretations about punctuation characters in the part of the email address before the "@". However, it is considered by some as a good belt and suspenders plan to do some filtering for Gmail email addresses for "." and "+".


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Mark's vacation notice stated "Replies to support emails will be delayed during this time. Also, group transfers will be delayed as well."
I interpret that to mean slower than normal response, as opposed to no response until he gets back.? IIRC, he's looking into hiring some help.
Toby

Yep ... I've learned by going through the dot problem myself.
Ellen

"It would be a far worse error to consider them the same with a domain
that doesn't. Then you'd have two or more users who can't separate their
accounts."

And this is a battle I'm having with Apple. Some person just lately is using mizelly@... and purchases a lot from Apple. My email addy is miz.elly@... and I've had it for years... and have never purchased anything at Apple.
When Apple tries to contact this person, the mail comes to me. Fortunately Apple is being quite understanding when I explained about that period. But it makes me wonder just where some mail may end up.
I considered changing the addy and most likely will once this mess is cleared up.
Ellen

Ellen,

Ask her to send you a new invite with the right addy?

D'oh! So much simpler than trying to unite the accounts.

Then the non-dot account can be ignored, or deleted, or whatever.

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Gerald,

I always understood that dots and some other punctuation are ignored
in email addresses.

No.

So long as it is syntactically correct the email standard leaves the semantic interpretation of the user name part entirely up to the receiving domain.

To get it completely correct Groups.io would need a table of exceptions by domain to know which characters to ignore or otherwise treat specially.

For example, some mail services (IIRC Gmail) allowed the use of a plus sign in an email address to ignore the plus sign and all following characters. This was touted as a cheap way to get disposable email addresses for the purpose of giving different vendors different addresses so as to know which vendor sold you address.

That usage I think inspired Groups.io's use of plus as a command lead-in. As opposed to Y!Groups use of hyphen.

If GIO is considering them different, I guess that could be considered
a bug.

It would be a far worse error to consider them the same with a domain that doesn't. Then you'd have two or more users who can't separate their accounts.

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Win,

Am I interpreting it correctly when I think that the email was held up
for 2 hours at my ISP before it was sent to groups.io?

Yes, but it doesn't say whether your ISP was holding onto the message, or whether it was having trouble connecting to Groups.io.

That message would be something to ask your ISP about: their logs might indicate what the problem was. I'd be interested in seeing that message's header, if you don't mind sending it off-list.

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On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 07:26 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

You may need [email protected] to unravel this for you, but you can try treating the non-dot address as if it is a separate account from the dotted one.

I always understood that dots and some other punctuation are ignored in email addresses. In other words, they are the same email address, at least for email address purposes. If GIO is considering them different, I guess that could be considered a bug.
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Hi I'm new here so please bare with me I'm no tech... Ok I see my attachments are adding up fast?for my i.o.group which is a heavy graphics group. I don't want to have to pay for extra storage so how do I get rid of all the attachments so This does not happen please.. Regards Cathy

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