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Re: digest

 

You might want to consider the subscription option that sends you just the first message in any thread. If you are interested, you can click on follow in the email footer.?
On the page with subscription options, you need to click on Advanced Preferences.?

Frances


Re: Answering Messages In Digest Mode With the Braille Note 4

 

Patty,

A co-list member has written a message asking about how to answer
messages in digest mode.
...
The problem is that for some reason, on my BrailleNote Touch running
Android 4, I'm not finding the edit field in which to write my
message.
Another resource for your co-list member might be The Tech Zone:
/g/the-tech-zone

While they are a general technology list they seem to have a lot of information on assistive technologies. Though it is a smaller group than GMF she may be more likely to find someone there who uses the same device.

Shal


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Re: Just Curious - How can non-Moderators find ¡®All Posts By Another Member¡¯?

 

Patty

On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Patty Fletcher <patty.volunteer1@...> wrote:

The more is down near the bottom of the page once you¡¯re online on the IO Groups page.
I had a devil of a time finding it the first time
Hiding in plain sight (to the right of ¡°Like¡±!

Thanks for your help and not minding being the ¡®example¡¯ used.

Michael


Re: Just Curious - How can non-Moderators find ¡®All Posts By Another Member¡¯?

 

On Jul 7, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 09:35 am, Michael Pavan wrote:

Where is this ¡°More menu¡±?
Read the message online and you will see it (click the "View/Reply Online" link). Emails do not contain menus, only hyperlinks.
I just tried again reading the message online - online the ¡°View/Reply Online¡± link is not there, that link is only on emails.

However reading online and clicking on ¡°Search¡±, and entering her email address still only shows #9986 and #9963


Can non-Moderators find ¡®All Post By Another Member¡¯?
Perhaps I should have asked:
How can non-Moderators find ¡®All Posts By Another Member¡¯?


Re: loading pdf files

 

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Pam,

I was using edge.

Ah, interesting. Using Edge I see that error in the Upload File dialog too. It is where a thumbnail of the file should show:




I don't know why edge was choking on loading a pdf file. it didn't seam to matter what was in the file. I tried just making one with a simple sentence like this is a test to see if this file will load as the only part of the pdf and still could not get it to load in edge.

Try ignoring that and click the Add button anyway. When I did the file apparently uploaded correctly into my test group. That is, I can now see the file in the group's Files list, and clicking on its name, even in Edge, opens the file in the browser window:



Shal



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Re: Just Curious - How can non-Moderators find ¡®All Posts By Another Member¡¯?

Patty Fletcher
 

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The more is down near the bottom of the page once you¡¯re online on the IO Groups page.

I had a devil of a time finding it the first time

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 12:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [GMF] Just Curious

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On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 09:35 am, Michael Pavan wrote:

>>Where is this ¡°More menu¡±?

Read the message online and you will see it (click the "View/Reply Online" link). Emails do not contain menus, only hyperlinks.

>>Can non-Moderators find ¡®All Post By Another Member¡¯?

Yes.

Regards,
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Re: User deleting own post (Copyright Sources)

David P. Dillard
 

Hello, List Members,


These links lead to more information about intellectual property and copyright.


Copyright: Some Sources About Intellectual Property and Copyright




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Digital Rights Management DRM




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Intellectual Property Sources






Sincerely,
David Dillard
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jwne@...

Research Guides

On Fri, 6 Jul 2018, D R Stinson wrote:

Remember too that (under U.S. law) copyright enforcement is
primarily about the commercial value of the work. If the work
has no commercial value then there are no damages to be
recovered in an infringement suit (statutory damages are only
available if you've promptly registered the work on publication).
Shal, you're mixing up enforcement and penalties. Enforcement is about stopping the violation of a copyright. Penalties are typically assessed based on value. But a person with enough money or will to afford a lawyer can make an issue of such use and require removal, even if no monetary damages are assessed. There are many internet forums that are very concerned about such issues. Admitted, the written word is the most difficult to prove originality, but on a group that insists on not removing anything, that might not be so difficult. When one mixes in the possibility of paid premium groups where the content arguably *is* the product, it might get messier. I can see why Mark has continued to let posters retain control of their content, since he has the most to lose.

By the way, registration is no longer required for most copyright issues as long as one can prove they are the original source. Photos are the best example of this; copyright begins at the creation and that image need not be registered nor published. As I noted before, proving originality of the written word is more problematic, but in such a situation, a group's stated rules requiring that users give up control of their content looks bad.

Yes, I tend to take a very conservative viewpoint of copyright law. I have on a couple occasions knowingly violated it myself, although I made every effort to contact the source and credit them even though they never responded.

I still believe the safest way to deal with the situation in question is to quote the original poster in a reply where one is protected by fair use. This might also be a good way to deal with misinformation, since groups.io keeps everything together in threads. I could also see adding a moderator note to suc a post noting it's controversial nature and directing the reader to a rebuttal.

For more information see for a start.

Dano



Re: Can I transfer a Yahoo Group I don't own or moderate?

 

Jim,

I have a group on Groups.io because the sole owner/moderator of the
Yahoo group abandoned the group.
Just to clarify, that means you are a member of the Y!group and not a moderator or owner yourself, correct?

I would like to bring over the messages and files from the group but
have had no luck finding who I need to contact to do that.
I think the short answer is: you can't.

To use the transfer mechanism as it stands you need to be able to promote the transfer agent to moderator in the Y!Group. Which means you must be at least a moderator with the privilege to change moderator status.

The longer version is that you can make a personal copy of the group's content with PG Offline, but there is (as yet anyway) no facility to load that copy into a Groups.io group.

See also:
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/22140744 and
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/22653627

Shal


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Re: Just Curious - How can non-Moderators find ¡®All Posts By Another Member¡¯?

 

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 09:35 am, Michael Pavan wrote:

>>Where is this ¡°More menu¡±?

Read the message online and you will see it (click the "View/Reply Online" link). Emails do not contain menus, only hyperlinks.

>>Can non-Moderators find ¡®All Post By Another Member¡¯?

Yes.

Regards,
Bruce
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Re: digest

 

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 09:36 am, Nina Banks wrote:
is there anyway I can go on digest for this group please??
To do that online, see?/static/help#suboptions?

To do it via email, see?/static/help#emailcommands?

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: digest

 

Clicking on the Your Subscription link in the email and changing the?Email Delivery selection?ought to work...
Or access the group on the web and click on the Subscription link on the left.


Can I transfer a Yahoo Group I don't own or moderate?

 

I am sorry if this deviates from the conversation but I have had no luck in finding the answer.

I have a group on Groups.io because the sole owner/moderator of the Yahoo group abandoned the group.? Attempts to contact have gone nowhere and I can't ind out who it was since the contact address is the standard yahoo (and groups.io) type owner address.? I can't even post in the yahoo group since I from the start was on first message moderate and that was over 2 years ago.? I would like to bring over the messages and files from the group but have had no luck finding who I need to contact to do that.? Any suggestions?

Thank you.
Jim Pruitt


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Re: Just Curious - Receiving your own posts in Gmail

 

I set up a label for ?and any other groups I¡¯ma member of, about 30 now so I have abou ?30 labels for 30 groups.?Works well and the auto filtering works very very well.

On Jul 7, 2018, at 1:55 AM, Patty Fletcher <patty.volunteer1@...> wrote:

I simply do not understand why folks do not put there Gmail coming straight into their in box.
It is easy to do it imports all your contacts for you.
I¡¯ve set it up with thunderbird, with outlook and several other clients.
It reads just like any other mail.
On the IPhone it is easy done too.
I get it right in my mail app.
Hate the Gmail app.
It is less than friendly.

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digest

Nina Banks
 

is there anyway I can go on digest for this group please??

Thanks
Nina


Just Curious - How can non-Moderators find ¡®All Posts By Another Member¡¯?

 

Where is this ¡°More menu¡±?

On Jul 7, 2018, at 3:36 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Michael,

How can someone look back and see which of their messages were
accepted by GMF and sent out?
Find one of your own (or anyone's) messages, then from the More menu (in the bar below the message) select "All Posts By This Member". Or open your profile from the group's Directory page (if available) and select that same link.

Incidentally, that "posterid:" number that shows in the Search box when you do that is system-wide. You can use it to find that person's messages in any group. Posterid:3 is Mark Fletcher, posterid:129 is me (the two I've used enough to remember).

Shal


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I see two types of ¡®below the bar¡¯ footers (usually it is the one as on your message above), it does have the word ¡®more¡¯ in it:
More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki
however that is just the URL for the GMF Wiki which does not contain the "All Posts By This Member¡± you refer to.

Here¡¯s the other ¡®below the bar¡¯ type of footer (which has no ¡°more¡± of any sort:

_._,_._,_
Groups.io Links:
You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#10019) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic

Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [michaelpavan@...]


Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
Clicking on: /g/GroupManagersForum/message/10016
to get to the Messages list and then clicking on ¡°Search¡±
and entering her email address still only shows #9986 and #9963


Or open your profile from the group's Directory page (if available) and select that same link.
Is this only to find one¡¯s own posts?

The Directory for GMF [ /g/GroupManagersForum/directory ]says:


? [email protected]

? Member Directory

This member directory is only visible to members of your group. In order to view the member directory, you must change your profile privacy setting to either Other Members of Your Group, or to Public.


The only links are:
1) [email protected] = GMF Home page
and
2) profile privacy setting = /g/GroupManagersForum/editprofile (my profile)
If I then click on: ¡°Group Profile¡±, it does reveal the "All Posts By This Member¡±, which does show all my posts.


I don¡¯t have a particular interest in Patty¡¯s messages, however it did make me wonder how can I find a message I remember that a particular person (email address) sent.
I guess my question is:
Can non-Moderators find ¡®All Post By Another Member¡¯?


Re: loading pdf files

 

I was using edge. I tried using chrome just to see if that would make a difference and was able to get a pdf file loaded. I don't know why edge was choking on loading a pdf file. it didn't seam to matter what was in the file. I tried just making one with a simple sentence like this is a test to see if this file will load as the only part of the pdf and still could not get it to load in edge. had no problems whatsoever when I loaded that file and? another one in chrome on the same computer.


On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 6:44 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Pam,

as soon as the file is loaded it says it can't be read.
it does show up and that is what comes up.

?It would be interesting to know just what said the file can't be read. There are multiple possibilities (the site, your browser, a PDF plug-in for your browser, your operating system...)? It may be that a screen shot would be worth more than a thousand words here.

It is possible that somehow your files aren't being marked as PDF content when uploaded to Groups.io. In the Files list, what is the icon to the left of the file name? It should be a page with PDF inside. If it has a ? inside that's a big clue to the problem. Then it becomes a question of why Groups.io did not think the file was actually PDF.

Also, does the file name end with ".pdf"? If not you might try renaming the file before upload so that it does.
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I can read the pdf that was uploaded to the files section here.?

?That's interesting. And disproves most ideas about issues with your browser configuration. Do you mean that clicking on the file name in GMF's Files section causes your browser to open the file directly in your browsing tab or window? or does your browser prompt you to choose an app to open the file or save it?

For me, also on Windows 10, both Firefox and Edge open the pdf in the browser.
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I'm not sure what you mean about a pdf configured for the browser. I have adobe dc on my system.

?Current browsers usually include PDF display in browser. But they can be configured to run a browser extension, or to request that you open the file with an app or save it instead.? The in-browser display of PDF files in Edge and current versions of Firefox do not use Reader DC or other application software to show you the PDF file.

?Shal
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Re: Moderation settings changed? #membership

 

Paula,

I have been receiving notification emails about approving posts from
members who were 'unmoderated' when we moved to Groups.io. When I go
to their membership listing, it is set for 'moderated.'
I can't think of a way for that to happen, other than through moderator (or owner) action. In which case there should be an Activity log entry for each change:

[moderator] changed [someone]'s posting status via web [date/time]

In the Moderator Activity (or All Activity) tab you can search for such entries by selecting "Poststatus changed" in the Actions drop-list and clicking Search.

The only automatic change of a member's Posting Privilege that I'm aware of is the change from "Override: new user moderated" to "Default group policy" when that user has had the required number of posts approved.

Is there a way I can do a 'select all' to change all of the members to
'unmoderated?'
You can use the checkboxes on the left in the Members list to select multiple members, then in the Actions menu (blue button at the bottom of the list) select "Default Post Policy".

Note that I do not recommend using "Override - Not Moderated" for anyone. Maybe just the most trusted of mods or expert members. That's because if everyone has an override status that means you can't then use the group's Moderation checkbox to control the membership in bulk, in case of a flame-war or some other disturbance in the group. IMO most members should be set to "Default group Policy" (or "Override - new user moderated" if they haven't been approved enough yet).

I wish it were possible to sort the Members list by Posting Privilege. Unfortunately that's indicated by a badge on their email address rather than a column of its own. You can Download the list and sort it in Excel or some other spreadsheet, but then you still have to go back and find those members in the Members list.

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Re: Group name already taken before transfer from Yahoo, Any recourse?

Glenn Glazer
 

On 7/7/2018 05:40, Arno Martens wrote:
I my cases it was not even possible.
From the DOS days we use underscores for spaces.
GIO does not permit underscores in a Group name so we replaced them with dashes.
For completeness, the reason for that is:

Hello,

Thanks for the suggestion. Underscores are not allowed because DNS names can't have underscores, and when you convert a group into a group and subgroups, the original group name is used for the subdomain.

Thanks,
Mark
Best,

Glenn


Moderation settings changed? #membership

 

For some reason, the moderation settings on some members, including my own membership, have changed.

I have been receiving notification emails about approving posts from members who were 'unmoderated' when we moved to Groups.io. When I go to their membership listing, it is set for 'moderated.'

Is there something I might have done to change the settings on all of the members? Is there a way I can do a 'select all' to change all of the members to 'unmoderated?'

Thanks,
Paula


Re: Group name already taken before transfer from Yahoo, Any recourse?

 

I have a group on Yahoo with over 4800 members I'd like to transfer to >
Groups .io. However somebody has already take the name.
Having a different name will actually be easier for people. If the name is the same it will autofill in address lines as the Yahoo group. It¡¯s been a problem for me in naming 15 or so groups.

Old names were tvc-[team]@yahoogroups.com

New names are [team]@tvc.groups.io

People file the addresses under TVC [team list name] because TVC stands for the whole organization. Butt the minute TVC is typed, the autofill starts the old yahoo address.

I wish I had spelled out something and dropped ¡°tvc¡± all together.

With 4800 members a newish name might be a blessing in disguise.


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