Where is this “More menu”?

On Jul 7, 2018, at 3:36 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Michael,

How can someone look back and see which of their messages were
accepted by GMF and sent out?

Find one of your own (or anyone's) messages, then from the More menu (in the bar below the message) select "All Posts By This Member". Or open your profile from the group's Directory page (if available) and select that same link.

Incidentally, that "posterid:" number that shows in the Search box when you do that is system-wide. You can use it to find that person's messages in any group. Posterid:3 is Mark Fletcher, posterid:129 is me (the two I've used enough to remember).

Shal


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I see two types of ‘below the bar’ footers (usually it is the one as on your message above), it does have the word ‘more’ in it:

More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki

however that is just the URL for the GMF Wiki which does not contain the "All Posts By This Member” you refer to.

Here’s the other ‘below the bar’ type of footer (which has no “more” of any sort:

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Groups.io Links:
You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#10019) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic

Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [michaelpavan@...]

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Clicking on: /g/GroupManagersForum/message/10016
to get to the Messages list and then clicking on “Search”
and entering her email address still only shows #9986 and #9963

Or open your profile from the group's Directory page (if available) and select that same link.

Is this only to find one’s own posts?

The Directory for GMF [ /g/GroupManagersForum/directory ]says:


? [email protected]

? Member Directory

This member directory is only visible to members of your group. In order to view the member directory, you must change your profile privacy setting to either Other Members of Your Group, or to Public.


The only links are:
1) [email protected] = GMF Home page
and
2) profile privacy setting = /g/GroupManagersForum/editprofile (my profile)
If I then click on: “Group Profile”, it does reveal the "All Posts By This Member”, which does show all my posts.


I don’t have a particular interest in Patty’s messages, however it did make me wonder how can I find a message I remember that a particular person (email address) sent.
I guess my question is:
Can non-Moderators find ‘All Post By Another Member’?

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Paula,

I have been receiving notification emails about approving posts from
members who were 'unmoderated' when we moved to Groups.io. When I go
to their membership listing, it is set for 'moderated.'

I can't think of a way for that to happen, other than through moderator (or owner) action. In which case there should be an Activity log entry for each change:

[moderator] changed [someone]'s posting status via web [date/time]

In the Moderator Activity (or All Activity) tab you can search for such entries by selecting "Poststatus changed" in the Actions drop-list and clicking Search.

The only automatic change of a member's Posting Privilege that I'm aware of is the change from "Override: new user moderated" to "Default group policy" when that user has had the required number of posts approved.

Is there a way I can do a 'select all' to change all of the members to
'unmoderated?'

You can use the checkboxes on the left in the Members list to select multiple members, then in the Actions menu (blue button at the bottom of the list) select "Default Post Policy".

Note that I do not recommend using "Override - Not Moderated" for anyone. Maybe just the most trusted of mods or expert members. That's because if everyone has an override status that means you can't then use the group's Moderation checkbox to control the membership in bulk, in case of a flame-war or some other disturbance in the group. IMO most members should be set to "Default group Policy" (or "Override - new user moderated" if they haven't been approved enough yet).

I wish it were possible to sort the Members list by Posting Privilege. Unfortunately that's indicated by a badge on their email address rather than a column of its own. You can Download the list and sort it in Excel or some other spreadsheet, but then you still have to go back and find those members in the Members list.

Shal


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On 7/7/2018 05:40, Arno Martens wrote:

I my cases it was not even possible.

From the DOS days we use underscores for spaces.

GIO does not permit underscores in a Group name so we replaced them with dashes.

For completeness, the reason for that is:

Hello,

Thanks for the suggestion. Underscores are not allowed because DNS names can't have underscores, and when you convert a group into a group and subgroups, the original group name is used for the subdomain.

Thanks,
Mark

Best,

Glenn

For some reason, the moderation settings on some members, including my own membership, have changed.

I have been receiving notification emails about approving posts from members who were 'unmoderated' when we moved to Groups.io. When I go to their membership listing, it is set for 'moderated.'

Is there something I might have done to change the settings on all of the members? Is there a way I can do a 'select all' to change all of the members to 'unmoderated?'

Thanks,
Paula

I have a group on Yahoo with over 4800 members I'd like to transfer to >

Groups .io. However somebody has already take the name.

Having a different name will actually be easier for people. If the name is the same it will autofill in address lines as the Yahoo group. It’s been a problem for me in naming 15 or so groups.

Old names were tvc-[team]@yahoogroups.com

New names are [team]@tvc.groups.io

People file the addresses under TVC [team list name] because TVC stands for the whole organization. Butt the minute TVC is typed, the autofill starts the old yahoo address.

I wish I had spelled out something and dropped “tvc” all together.

With 4800 members a newish name might be a blessing in disguise.


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On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:57 am, Shal Farley wrote:

Technically that's not a problem - in the transfer there's no requirement that
the group name in Groups.io match that of the Y!Group.

I my cases it was not even possible.
From the DOS days we use underscores for spaces.
GIO does not permit underscores in a Group name so we replaced them with dashes.

It may be an answer for the OP to hyphenate the Group name.
Arno

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I do not read email on the web.
I get all mail to my in box and am not on digest.
Normally there are links under the post that read, reply to group reply to sender etc.
On that email there was not.
So, I had no other way to reply.
All is well now.
No need to clutter what seems to be a very active list with more of it.
I was not complaining that I did not get answers, realize maybe no one had an answer, all that.
I just had not seen but two messages for a while and had not gotten anything kind of resembling an answer to any of my questions so I was trying to make certain my messages were posting.
I know they are now I'm sorry that some were upset by all that have a great weekend everyone.

Michael,

How can someone look back and see which of their messages were
accepted by GMF and sent out?

Find one of your own (or anyone's) messages, then from the More menu (in the bar below the message) select "All Posts By This Member". Or open your profile from the group's Directory page (if available) and select that same link.

Incidentally, that "posterid:" number that shows in the Search box when you do that is system-wide. You can use it to find that person's messages in any group. Posterid:3 is Mark Fletcher, posterid:129 is me (the two I've used enough to remember).

Shal


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Hi Shal,

I just requested a membership in the group to see if I can make contact with
the owner.

Thanks for the suggestions on this.

Kim

I was going suggest that Patty to go to:
/g/GroupManagersForum/topics
Or better yet
/g/GroupManagersForum/messages
and search for her email address

But the only the results I got were: #9986 #9963

How can someone look back and see which of their messages were accepted by GMF and sent out?

Dano,

But a person with enough money or will to afford a lawyer can make an
issue of such use and require removal, even if no monetary damages are
assessed.

In the cases at hand (email list archives) the copyright owner may not need a lawyer, at least in the U.S. - the take-down provisions of the DMCA/OCILLA may suffice. But not if the poster is equally steely-eyed and demands a put-back. At that point the copyright holder must decide to file suit or let it go.

I can see why Mark has continued to let posters retain control of
their content, since he has the most to lose.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that he has. But given the TOS's license provisions he doesn't really need to. At least not in straightforward cases.

On the other hand it might spare him an infringement notice if a user infringes a third-party's copyright, and the user himself comes to understand/regret their action and chooses to delete the offending content him/herself. The user might rightly fear having their own account closed for the TOS violation, and thereby lose control of their own content.

By the way, registration is no longer required for most copyright
issues as long as one can prove they are the original source.

Registration is not required to make use of the DMCA's take-down provisions.

But it is required (in the U.S.) to file the actual infringement suit, and as I said prompt registration ("before the infringement began or within three months after the first publication") is required to be awarded statutory damages. And I see, also attorney's fees:


Oh, and the usual IANAL disclaimer goes here. But I have done my reading and this is far from my first rodeo where concerns arguing about how copyright applies to email list postings.

Shal


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Joseph,

Yes that’s Xbox is on by default, however, if you’re wanting to receive postings from other mailing list, that are not associated with this website, if you put the word recent before the email address in your email client, that will also help you receive your own postings.

I used that for many years with Yahoo Groups to no avail. I used POP3 protocol with Eudora Classic and with Thunderbird and had recent in the address field: no joy. Nor of course on Gmail's web interface. I know I was using "recent" correctly because I could retrieve the same messages from multiple computers - which is the real feature enabled by "recent".

Every suggestion I've tried has always turned out to be a misunderstanding of one kind or another, and the person suggesting it wasn't actually seeing the message as returned from the group - with the group's footers (and possibly edits by a moderator). They were seeing the copy they sent to the group, or they were actually sending the message from a different address, or from the Group's interface, or something.

Anyway, I've set that all behind me. I simply don't use Gmail with mailing lists - except Groups.io due to the work-around. I've read that there are other list services that replace the Message-ID field, so I could join one of those with my Gmail address if I happened upon it.

Even now, with Groups.io, I have to keep a second address subscribed to groups I moderate/own set up to receive +owner messages. Because if I happen to reply to a +owner message with CC to +owner (which I habitually do so that the other mods will see my reply) I won't get that reply back in my Gmail account. Apparently Groups.io doesn't catch that case. Hm... Maybe I should write that up as a suggestion for beta.

Shal
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Patty,

Well I made an attempt to answer this privately but see no reply to
sender link here.

If you mean on the web site, after you click Reply there should be a "Private" button below and to the right of the message composition box. Clicking that will toggle between "Reply to Group" and "Reply to Sender".

If you mean by email, there should be a "Reply to Sender" link under the message, if the message was formatted. Plain text messages and digests lack that feature; you'd have to copy/paste the sender's email address from the original to your reply.

Shal


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Bill,

Any suggestions or recommendations? Could this be a bug, slow
server or what.

Yeah, definitely one of those. ;-)

I wish there were someone who uses Chat in their groups who would chime in with their own experience (positive or negative).

It seems like a bug so reporting it to [email protected] is appropriate. Mark will wish you could characterize a repeatable test case, but I don't know what to suggest for that - it may not be possible. Give him as much detail as you can, including specific times that it happened if you know that.

Shal


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Sharon,

Do others think it might be helpful to have a universal option to
notify the list whenever a file is uploaded.

I wouldn't want notification to the list in any of my groups, but some might, especially those who use the files for some specific purpose.

A question by the option about who can upload files so it notifies the
owners, moderators, or subscribers.

I definitely want contribution notices (Files, Photos, Wiki, ...) as Notifications options in my subscription as an owner/mod. But I would want it to be an option for each owner/mod to receive such notices, not a universal setting.

In beta that's been talked about as a component of the "notification overhaul" that's been on the To Do list seemingly forever.

Separately (and it is a different topic) would be the ability to moderate such contributions as we can moderate messages.

Shal


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Patty,

Shal, that I know, on an individual message. What I would like to do,
is send a group message to all unsubbed people at once, using my own
email address.

In the Members list you can put a checkmark on any number of members to send to them all at once, using either From address. But I guess that idea is moot since Bruce tells us that the Send Message action is not available in the Past Members list.

Hoping the # of folks being auto unsubbed slows down, and that this is
just a phenomena of inactive, transferred members just deciding they
don't want to be a list member, and (foolishly) marking our emails as
Spam.

That seems fairly likely to me. Many Y!Groups users became very frustrated with the various failures in Y!Groups, especially there was a prolonged period (pre Neo) when it was all but impossible to unsubscribe from a group. The advice at the time was to go No Email until unsubscribe worked again, but many probably just marked the messages as spam as a lazy filter. And then your new group starts up and they finally get the unsubscribe they wanted all along. ;-)

Shal


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Patty,
Many groups operate on the premise that if you don't have what you think is a usable reply to a question, you don't post.
Is is possible that no one had a reasonable answer for you?
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