On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 07:50 PM, Alex wrote:

In my currently only active group.io there is a post in a thread which with hindsight I never should have allowed to be posted (but the member was unmoderated.)? I'd like to delete or at least edit it.
I do see, when I'm viewing that message, a dropdown that includes "delete" but it appears to me that it's to?delete the whole thread, not that one message.
What's the story? Is there a way to delete one post?

You need to delete from Message display, not Topic display if you just want to delete or edit one message.
A suggestion - test it by editing rather than deleting. Then delete after you feel comfortable.
See -?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Editing-a-message-or-topic

BTW, the wiki has a search box at the top right corner. Useful way to track down articles.

Frances
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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 07:50 PM, Alex wrote:

Another very basic function is managing the members' list. For example, I want to delete one misbehaving member...
I am not seeing in the interface when I'm in the group where to access member management.
? And that brings up a related question: If I remove a group member do they get any notice of the event?

Go to Admin, Members (not Directory).
Find the member, click on the name or email address to open the record.
You can then remove or ban the member - bottom of the page.
I am not sure about the difference between banned and removed. However I assume that removed is not punitive and the member can re-apply with the same email address. If someone is banned, the owner will have to take steps to allow the person to re-apply with that email address.

You can set up a notice to be sent automatically to the removed or banned member.
/static/help#member-notices
More about creating notices -?
?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices

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Apologies if this is something that's been asked earlier or I missed finding it in an appropriate FAQ.

In my currently only active group.io there is a post in a thread which with hindsight I never should have allowed to be posted (but the member was unmoderated.)? I'd like to delete or at least edit it.
I do see, when I'm viewing that message, a dropdown that includes "delete" but it appears to me that it's to?delete the whole thread, not that one message.
What's the story? Is there a way to delete one post?

Another very basic function is managing the members' list. For example, I want to delete one misbehaving member...
I am not seeing in the interface when I'm in the group where to access member management.
? And that brings up a related question: If I remove a group member do they get any notice of the event?

My excuse for having such basic questions is that this group has been since migrated to groups.io a very very low activity, so I've spent almost no time managing it or living in the group.io group owner interface.

Thanks for any help.
Alex.
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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 07:20 PM, Alex wrote:

But currently am?clueless as to how I would import the group's saved message archive and/or files into the newly created group.io.

Can anyone give me the short* version of the "how you do this" and/or point me to a resource/link that gives the detail?

Alex -- The wiki page at?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Moving-to-Groups.io?still contains the latest understanding of this.?

If you want to move your messages to the groups.io message base any time SOON, Lena's Perl script to repost the messages seems to be your only option. The good news is that her Perl script is free to use, while the groups.io import of an mbox file ($220) and the PGO2GIO software ($50+) are both looking more and more like vaporware.

Bruce

Hi all.
The bad news is that I missed the window for doing a fully automated migration to groups.io .

The good news is that just before yahoo removed the files and twenty years of archived messages I successfully downloaded them into PG offline. And I also managed to download all the members' email addresses.
(I also, just for a "plan-B" did initiate Yahoo's own download of the group content... Though I haven't yet been notified my downloaded zip is available.)

So I'm virtually certainly going to recreate the group at group.io.
But currently am?clueless as to how I would import the group's saved message archive and/or files into the newly created group.io.

Can anyone give me the short* version of the "how you do this" and/or point me to a resource/link that gives the detail?

At minimum...... Could someone tell me if what I hope to do (set up the?new group at groups.io and import the message archive and possibly files) ..... either from the PG downloader or the zip file that hopefully will materialize from yahoo someday ...is possible? Is practical?

Alex
* Long version would also be appreciated. ;-)
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I've reviewed all 4 of your posts and all the suggestions you were given.
In each case you say you're having trouble but offer absolutely? no detail information that would help others in diagnosis.
Your first post in each topic is your last.
No one knows if they helped you or not.? Instead of feedback they just get another ephemeral complaint with no detail.

Have they helped you or not?
Have you answered any of their questions? No.
It's like throwing ideas down a black hole.

If you're not providing feedback and responding to others' request for more information they/we can't help you and eventually, no one will be willing to even try.
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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 05:37 PM, Frances wrote:

Well, there has been some discussion in the past about the necessity to go to
the group homepage to reply to a message. This is what happens with plain text
digest.
With full featured, there is the opportunity to reply through email, if you
prefer.

That would make sense if you want to reply to several messages in the same thread, but since it's a digest you can just do that by email,delete the "noreply" part, and insert the right subjectline.


groetjes, Ronaldo

On 2019.12.21 1405, Terry Tegnazian wrote:

I moved our neighborhood Yahoogroup of more than 900 members to
groups.io, and paid for a subscription so I could direct add the
members. I’ve found the transition so far pretty painless.

For the members’ emails, I downloaded from Yahoogroups the list of
members as a csv, which I then saved as an Excel spreadsheet. I just
copied and pasted the email addresses from the spreadsheet into
groups.io with no problem. I did them in batches of 200 or so, and after
the first 400 there was a delay but the adds were accepted pretty
quickly (apparently approved by the groups.io moderators) and I had no
problem with the rest.

Only to clarify one point.

For Free/_Basic_ groups at GIO, using an _Invitation_ method (no experience in Direct Add of addressees.)

For the Invitation process - From everything I read there is no need to self ration the feeding of an address list. There was an explicit piece of information and advice that GIO would ration it, so no cause for alarm on any perceived delay in invitations going out. It actually mentioned that one might slow the process by breaking the feed into smaller batches oneself.

I pushed 1270 in there and they went in their own time. All done.

Again, for a direct add of addressees I have no experience, or advice.

I also downloaded the database of member info from Yahoogroups as a csv,
saved as an Excel spreadsheet, then created a database structure on
groups.io with the same number of columns and same column titles as we
had used in Yahoogroups, and had no problem importing into groups.io
from the spreadsheet.

For the 80+ Word docx files, I had saved them from Yahoogroups onto my
hard drive, and those I uploaded to a folder in the groups.io Files
section manually, one at a time.

I found no need to upload to the Files area one at a time. I selected a directory and let it go.

I also created a subgroup for our board of directors, and followed the
same procedure as above (in Yahoogroups we had had a separate group for
the board).

The last challenge, which I haven’t tackled yet, is the message
archives. I have downloaded them from Yahoogroups, but not yet tried to
get them onto groups.io.

Hope this helps,

Best,

Terry Tegnazian

Thanks for sharing your work Terry.

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I am amused that the first real topic on GMF was about getting people to join your group. Looks like marketing is a perennial problem.
See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/2

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FOLLOW UP 2 . . . .

OK, finally our Posting Guidelines text updated when selected from the Left-sidebar but I don't understand why it was so delayed in doing so.

Maybe one of those suggestions was eventually what did it, tho obviously nowhere near immediately.

Thanx for the ideas. All seems well now!

Cheers!

Paul M.
CostaRicaLiving
https: //groups.io/g/CostaRicaLiving
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Bruce . . .

On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 14:36:02 -0800, "Bruce Bowman"
<bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

I've found that I need to post a few times myself to prime the pump,

I did the same with several of my groups. Some others got moving along
on their own pretty quickly though.

Donald


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Cleared the History and the cache, Bruce, and did a hard refresh [command + R] on my MacBookPro (OS 10.11) Using Safari vers. 11.1.2 and there's no change in the text of the Guidelines as previously described. (Tried [CTRL + F5], too, but nothing.)

Not sure how to resolve this or whether there is some doable workaround.

Still open to other ideas.

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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 09:16 AM, Donald Hellen wrote:

My guess is that you transferred a group and the group members as a
whole are resistant to change.

I've found that I need to post a few times myself to prime the pump, to wit:?

-- "How do you like groups.io so far? This post came back to me in under 30 seconds!"?
-- "Should we use this calendaring system or stick with Google?"
-- "Hey, how 'bout those 49ers?"
etc.

This gives them something to talk about and as a bonus, populates the new group email address in people's email client. Otherwise, they could start typing in the group name and 'lo and behold, the client's autocomplete fills in the Yahoo Group address and their message gets sent to the bit-bucket.

Bruce

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I meant downloading them yourself from the site. I think I mentioned
it was possible to have Yahoo provide you with a download link to a
file that has it all combined.

On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 13:01:42 -0800, "Duane" <txpigeon@...>
wrote:

Supposedly, if you use More info on that in other topics here.

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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 01:20 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:

Is that even possible now?

Supposedly, if you use ? More info on that in other topics here.
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On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 03:26 PM, Michael L. Stokes wrote:

I recommend an extension to the current invitation capability to include a new parameter that defines the "type" of invitation.

Michael -- Much of this functionality already exists.?

The default would be "type"='new member'.

Yes, you invite someone because you want them to join. Otherwise, it's not really an invitation, but something else.

Other options would include type='reject', type='moderated', and type='ban'.?

It is already possible to ban someone outright. Just go to?/g/GROUPNAME/members?p=,banned?and enter their email address. That address will then show up in the Banned list.

I don't get the "reject" thing here. If you're going to reject someone, don't invite them. That said, there is a Past members display for Premium groups. Perhaps you would like a way to manually enter email addresses into that (as you can for banned)?

"Moderate" might have limited utility, if you've predetermined that you want this invitee to continue to be moderated beyond the New Users Moderated value already set up for Spam Control. But a moderated member is still a member. It's not really a different category, just a flag set in their member record.

Note that it is possible to allow non-members to post to your group (Admin>Settings>Message Policies). Such messages are always moderated.

I get it that you want some way to manage email addresses that aren't currently subscribed to the group. I'm just not sure it should be integrated with the invitation system. Hopefully the above will help you accomplish some of your objectives.

Regards,
Bruce

When moving members from Yahoo Groups, we had banned a guy from the group that was well known for bad behaviour.? His aliases were also known. Though we have a restricted group, it would be nice to be able to categorize known bad players using their email address.

For clarity, an invitation is only extended to a non-member by specification of an email address and a comment field (display name).

I recommend an extension to the current invitation capability to include a new parameter that defines the "type" of invitation. The default would be "type"='new member'. Other options would include type='reject', type='moderated', and type='ban'.? As in night clubs, if a non-member attempts to enter a club they are extended an invitation to enter (default), or extended an invitation to leave (rejected but where the user can make their case for entry), or banned (rejected with prejustice which is permanent), or possibly enter but we're keeping our &#*! eye on you (moderated). Also an invited non-member name could be generalized using a regular expressions (regex, the best option) or a string that contains wild cards (globs).? This would allow you to accept/reject based on a domain name, or other system generated keys like? ?so_and_so+invite_67@...

groups.io already has the ability to moderate an existing member, but that would not apply to non-members so that should not generate a conflict.

If these features are implemented, the name could be changed from invitations to non-member invitations or maybe just non-member administration to reduce user confusion?

Comments?

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Duane . . .

On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 11:06:28 -0800, "Duane" <txpigeon@...>
wrote:

You CANNOT get an extension from GIO. This is only to allow you to download the information yourself directly from YG.

Is that even possible now? I looked at one of my Yahoo groups and
there were no longer links to files, photos, or old messages. Yahoo
sent out a message recently that access to those has been shut off,
but that you can apply for them to download them for you. Perhaps
whatever they provide for people will be enough to separate the files
and upload them individually. Let's hope so as there are plenty of
people who didn't act quickly enough to avoid disaster.

Fortunately, I acted well in advance of this whole thing and have all
the groups I care about archived in PGO, waiting on the program that
will be able to upload them to be in full working order. What I've
seen of it so far is great. It has some bugs that are being addressed
as I write this.

Donald


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Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
group on Groups.io:
/g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly)
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
/g/CatVet (just launched)