In one of the groups I manage, I see messages written by one subscriber, but
I do not see the messages he is replying to. It appears that messages posted
by some users are not reaching me.

I tried to go to the web site to see if I could read the missing messages
there, but I could only see messages posted by me.

Is there some setting that I have missed that

1) stops messages reaching me by email

2) Stops me seeing any messages except my own on the web site.


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Hi, I am setting up a group for our society, and we use an external database for the members' details.? What I would like to know is there a way of downloading all the URLs for each member on the membership page as CSV, or would I have to do this individually, hopefully, would have about 600 members joining here, so would like to make it as easy as possible.? So that if they leave the society I can easily remove them the group by using the database by clicking on their URL which takes me to their membership page.

This is the URL I am talking about

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A member claims that he hasn't received any e-mails from the group yet, although his activity states that he did receive the most recent mail and isn't bouncing.? He claims to have sent a new subscription request by e-mail yesterday.? Is there any way I can check whether a subscription request was received from him?? Does Groups.io tell someone that they're already subscribed if they try to subscribe while being subscribed, and does this information appear in some or other activity log for the moderator to see?
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Samuel

On 2019.12.13 2257, isis feral via Groups.Io wrote:

Yahoo sure seems to want to make it difficult for people to archive
their groups.

I finally managed to get Mark Fletcher's Chrome application to work, and
downloaded a lot of messages, but that one doesn't include any
attachments. It does appear to get most of the messages though, unlike
the Yahoo data. I downloaded 500 at a time, and it timed out after about
10,000 for a couple of hours, and then let me download the rest. It's a
bunch of text files, which I presume I can use as MBOX files, but I've
not tried yet. The downloads were quite fast, even on my slower DSL
connection. That's at this link again:

Great. I didn't see the messages, or mess with the files, you mentioned in your previous post. I saw the counter run, the application msg present itself. The most difficult bit was remembering to Save the download each time. I kept a text file to record what I did and that helped a lot.

I never managed to log in through PG Offline. I'm reinstalling it to try
one last time if I can make it work. I hope I can use it as a reader,
and get files from others who downloaded some of my groups. I should
have downloaded it months ago. It's a wonderful program, but who
anticipated that Yahoo would implode like this.

I would heartily say, the members would seem to be, at the base of things, the greatest resource. It was key to get beyond any 1000 item limit.

Chrome Application to Download Members
Application to Download Members

I found PGO to work, for me, (trial version) with Files (which I also had from the Y! bundle/download) and to grab photos in batches of 20.

While it worked on one account, with another there were failure notes and a suggestion I might have double authentication turned on with Y! I looked, didn't see this and have to consider energy spent against value of the data.

I also tried this downloader, which claims to download everything like
PGO, but after getting two techies involved I still just get 'API query
failed' for files and photos, but when it got to topics it downloaded a
whole bunch of pornographic spam messages (!), and no legitimate posts
from my groups. Others seem to have had better luck:

I considered that, as it would appear to garner one attachments, however I'd not had enough time to learn about Python it seemed, and had to do what I could. It feels sub-optimal however some folks are grateful.

I suspect I'll be spending my Saturday manually downloading files and
photos and any attachments I can get my hands on.

Thanks for all the help and commiseration on this list!

Isis

Same for me. Good luck to all.

John

Yahoo sure seems to want to make it difficult for people to archive their groups.

I finally managed to get Mark Fletcher's Chrome application to work, and downloaded a lot of messages, but that one doesn't include any attachments. It does appear to get most of the messages though, unlike the Yahoo data. I downloaded 500 at a time, and it timed out after about 10,000 for a couple of hours, and then let me download the rest. It's a bunch of text files, which I presume I can use as MBOX files, but I've not tried yet. The downloads were quite fast, even on my slower DSL connection. That's at this link again: http://yahoogroupedia.pbworks.com/w/page/93006447/Chrome

I never managed to log in through PG Offline. I'm reinstalling it to try one last time if I can make it work. I hope I can use it as a reader, and get files from others who downloaded some of my groups. I should have downloaded it months ago. It's a wonderful program, but who anticipated that Yahoo would implode like this.

I also tried this downloader, which claims to download everything like PGO, but after getting two techies involved I still just get 'API query failed' for files and photos, but when it got to topics it downloaded a whole bunch of pornographic spam messages (!), and no legitimate posts from my groups. Others seem to have had better luck:

I suspect I'll be spending my Saturday manually downloading files and photos and any attachments I can get my hands on.

Thanks for all the help and commiseration on this list!

Isis

Hi all,

This week's change log:

Because of the holidays, the next #changelog will be posted on
January 10th, 2020.

Have a good holiday season everyone!

Mark

Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

NEW: Integrated with Canny.io to test feature request/tracking.

Posting there is available only to owners/mods of Premium groups (owing to Canny's fees). We hoi polloi may continue posting in beta.



Comments about these others are also welcome:

BUGFIX: Even if a group is configured to allow users to specify new
hashtags (Messages can be tagged with new hashtags), the 'Create
Hashtag' button was not displayed in the Hashtags page for members.
API: Added /newhashtag, /updatehashtag, /deletehashtag endpoints.
API: Added /mutehashtag, /unmutehashtag, /followhashtag, and
/unfollowhashtag endpoints.
CHANGE: Members can only donate to a donation request one time. This
is to prevent accidental duplicate donations (which have happened,
unfortunately).

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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Alex,

... (I only would love to be able to move all the members PLUS the
archives) do I have any clock ticking on doing that migration with PG?

You do have a clock ticking on retrieving a complete copy of the Members list, if it is more than 1000 members. Use of PG Offilne must be complete before tomorrow night at midnight Pacific, probably.

For the messages you have somewhat longer, as Yahoo has extended the deadline for getmydata downloads until Jan 31st.

There's no deadline on re-posting the material into a Groups.io group.

I appear to own PG Offline 4. Have been periodically using it to
download the archives/messages. Is that covering my ass in any
significant way. That is, am I hearing right that as long as I've got
that downloaded I'd be able to upload that archive to Groups.io?

It is. You'd lose only material posted since the last time you refreshed your PG Offline copy.

And as far as I can tell (which isn't very far) the PG offline 4 that
I have has not downloaded the members.

You must use the Group menu, Get Members For Current Group, for each group in your list. Likewise for Download Files, Photos, and Links.

Maybe there's another version (the $25 version) and maybe I just have
the free version that's not as robust in capabilities? Is that so?

If you're having trouble with PG Offilne's access to Yahoo you probably need to update to the latest version. And yes, you will almost certainly need to register the product ($25). The Free trial is the same download as the registered product, the difference is the registration key that you need to enter to unlock downloading more than 1000 messages.

Shal


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Ken,

I have 2 folks with this same issue.? Chances are, the confirm to join emails either went to their email spam folder or their email provider has blocked emails from GroupIO.?

Nice job keeping the HealthKit group going.

BMaverick

That is the message I got when I tried to get into my account. Note that the Groups message said I could not get into ANY groups until . . .

But thanks to Bruce, I did get the bogus email confirmed and got right in. What a relief and many thanks to Bruce.

After the holidays and all the Yahoo transfer traffic has died down, I will ask support why a bogus email address change took effect without confirmation and why I could not access my account after it took effect. But I was NC so makes sense I could not access I guess.

Maybe some other moderators or owners should bring themselves into their groups with a different address and then change it to a bogus one (such as with a bad extension) and see what happens. Does the change take place immediately as it did to me and is it marked NC? Can you get into your bogus address account to do anything about it?

Then when testing is done, you as owner or moderator can drop that bogus address from your group.

I am sure I am not the only person this has happed to and maybe it is a glitch (gotta protect the idiots like me who make a typo).

Cheers to all,
David

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Bruce,

Thank Shal!

Yeah... I'd been under a rock.

Since it's not critical for me to move the yahoogroup uploaded file (I only would love to be able to move all the members PLUS the archives) do I have any clock ticking on doing that migration with PG?
I appear to own PG Offline 4. Have been periodically using it to download the archives/messages. Is that covering my ass in any significant way. That is, am I hearing right that as long as I've got that downloaded I'd be able? to upload that archive to Groups.io? Or is that wishful thinking?
And as far as I can tell (which isn't very far) the PG offline 4 that I have has not downloaded the members. Maybe there's another version (the $25 version) and maybe I just have the free version that's not as robust in capabilities? Is that so?

Thanks for your time and help!

Alex

David -- Please read the following very closely and don't do anything until you understand it.

It's my understanding that you have a "gmail.net account" that owns the group. You want to change that to gmail.com, thereby rectifying the problem. To this point, the gmail.net account is not confirmed. Right? I hope so.

I just Direct Added your gmail.net account to my group. I could not change that to gmail.com because you already have that address registered with groups.io. So I deleted the subscription. However, this action should have removed your "not confirmed" status. Check it and see.

Now...do you have a password set up for this account? If so, you should be able to log in. However, you will NOT be able to change the email address to gmail.com. You'll have to log in separately using your gmail.com address, go to the page at?/account?and click the red "delete my account" button. At that point you should be able to log back in with gmail.net and change it to gmail.com at your leisure.

If you don't have a password, I may be able to do this for you, after adding you back again. But you'll still have to get rid of the existing gmail.com account first. I cannot do an account merge for you.

Frankly, there's part of me that is hoping I cannot help you. If a group owner is capable of changing the email address associated with the account of another group owner, that strikes me as something of a bug. We'll see how it goes.

Bruce

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David,

All I know is if I try to enter, I get the message I am not confirmed yet so cannot sign in even to just

Yes I know, no group access.

But what about your account? You didn't show that part of the screen:

Shal


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Carole,

If I use the export group data button, is the result that a
downloadable zip file is created but the messages stay put in
Groups.io?

Correct.

The zip file has a copy of all of the content, not just messages, and nothing is altered in the group itself. That is, everything stays put.

The intent is that you can periodically ask for an export, and tuck those zip files away as backups in case Groups.io should unexpectedly go offline. Or in case you and/or your group are removed from the service for whatever reason (you or another owner deletes it, or support removes it).

Then you always have a (somewhat recent) copy of your data to move to your group's next home.

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Hi
As new first time group manager, I got through the Yahoo transfer. Then I was asked today if we had our own back up copy of the 15 years of messages residing with one or more of our moderators given what happened with Yahoo.
If I use the export group data button, is the result that a downloadable zip file is created but the messages stay put in Groups.io?? And do so until you delete them or the whole account?
I could not find this in the FAQ or Wiki and don't want to vaporize anything now its been moved.

Also Groups.io is such an improvement over Yahoo!. Big thank you for all you did to make it possible
Carole

David,

So the question is if an address is confirmed in one group, will it
confirm on a second group at the same time?

Yes. Confirmation, like bouncing, is a property of the account (email address), not a specific group subscription.

And I should have the password for the errant address. I had to enter
that in when I did the change.

Then I'm surprised that you were blocked from accessing your Account page when you attempted to log in to the errant address.

You should be blocked from group access under that scenario, but not from accessing your Account pages. Had you been able to, you could have corrected the address yourself without having to confirm the errant address.

If you eventually get in touch with support that's one of the things I'd like you to ask about: 1) why the address change took effect without confirmation, and 2) why you couldn't access the account page after it took effect.

Shal


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So the question is if an address is confirmed in one group, will it confirm on a second group at the same time? ?

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 04:41 PM, Eric Johnson wrote:

?I was looking at the subscription tool and discovered the "Special Notices only" mode. It dawns on me that this may be the ideal mode for me to be in in that I wouldn't interfere with or even be privy to Board actions. So, I've scanned the Wiki on this and there is very little said.

For instance, how would the real owner send or designate a message as special? Would any other members of the group see it? Etc

Special notices are only sent by owners and moderators.

Special notices go to all members of the group, except those that are "no mail".?
Some subscribe as "special notice only" because they would prefer not to get email. So do it sparingly.
(I don't like "no mail" because there is no way for the owner to contact all members.
I have disallowed it on groups I set up. However some disagree.)

About online help for this - not much in the wiki, but there is this in the official Help:

Special notices:?If a hashtag is set to Special, all messages tagged with it, including the original message in the topic and all replies, will be sent as Special Notices. Note: hashtags set to Special cannot be muted. Also, only moderators and owners can send Special Notices. If a normal subscriber replies, their message will be sent as a normal message.

And in the section one subscriptions;

Special Notices Only?sends only those messages which a moderator has designated as a Special Notice.

So you can attach the tag if you are doing it by email, or the way I have done it, on the group site by ticking the Special Notice box above the message box.

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