Hello, I am starting to migrate our YahooGroups to Groups IO - Do you know if there is a cut-off to do this, is there still time?

Debbie Butler, CIOL

Which moderator permissions do I need to be able to access or see the arrow button for Topics, specifically merge and edit topic title tools that normally would be in the arrow drop-down menus? I was specifically added as a a Mod to a group to help merge and keep topics from inadvertently changing when the content is still on the OP's topic?

The three other groups I am an owner for, I do see the arrow button, and can access those editing tools.

I have yet to find any info relating to those tools among the moderator permissions section.

Thanks for any help you can give,
Candice Massey

I have been made a Moderator of? a groups.io group, mainly to merge and edit topic titles, so we don't proliferate inadvertent topic title changes, when the subject is constant. However, the arrow button that is in the topic listings on the massages page is absent on this group, which contains the message and topic edit function tools. Those tools are present on the two other groups.io groups I am an co-owner for.

I have looked over the list of moderator permissions, but none seem to address this issue.

Short of becoming an owner of that group, where do I find the specific permission(s) that will allow me to see and use the arrow button to the message/topic editing function tools in the drop-down menu? This is so the current owner can enable them for me, so I can combine the inadvertent topic changes.

Thanks for any help you all could give,
Candice Massey

BMaverick,

What is the trick or methods to get the GIO homepage to show up on
Google.

This generally falls under the name Search Engine Optimization ("SEO"). A phrase which as gained a somewhat unsavory reputation, but has both legitimate and underhanded uses. Somewhat like the word "hacking".

I'd avoid loading up the Description with hidden text, that's a technique that is mostly underhanded. Google's advice has been to have visible text that uses your keywords in well-written sentences. When ranking search results they do a lot to evaluate the context of the search matches, trying to evaluate your page the same way a human reader would.


Start with a search for your group's home page by exact url. For example, type this into Google's search page (substituting your group's name for GMF):
site:/g/GroupManagersForum

If it doesn't show up at all, that would mean that your group home page hasn't been indexed.


Shal


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Ok, so for the subgroup Privacy Settings, Visibility:
"Group Listed in parent group, messages viewable by parent group members"
I'm the only member of this subgroup.

However.. I now believe I was mistaken in thinking the entire membership received a notification that the subgroup was created. I have a couple of e-mail addresses in this group, only one of which is a member of the subgroup. So, when I received the email notification that the subgroup was created at both addresses, I believed that all members received it as well.
Now, I realize that both of those members are owners with all notifications checked, including "Email when someone creates or deletes a subgroup". Ugh... False alarm.

That said, I appreciate your input and I may use your suggestion to bulk change the notification settings for the members should I need to for any reason moving forward.

PS - groups.io: Unless I'm mistaken, there's no way for me to select all members at once for a mass change. I can only select 20 at a time per page of users displayed, correct?

Joe,

I created a group, but don’t want my email address to be shown as the
owner of that group.

What Larry said.

Or, don't remove your primary email address, leave it in the group as a backup owner "just in case".

Unless you're planning to make the Members list available to members (most groups don't) the members won't know that your primary address is associated with the group - unless you post using that address.

Shal


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Janie,

Now a lot of those 22,000 were not moderated in the Yahoo group. Is
that what you are considering an override?

If a member's Posting Privileges in the Yahoo Group was "Override - posts are not moderated" then that was copied to "Override: not moderated" in their Groups.io membership.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-Moderation#Member-Controls

You'll be able to spot them in the Members list: they'll have a "P" badge after their email address.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Status-Badges-in-the-Members-List

I'm just going to hope that if I change the group to Announcement only
this next weekend that no one will be able to post.

As Bruce said, you and all group owners and moderators will still be able to post. I'm uncertain about members with the "P" privilege, but I would think not.

I already asked her to check spam. She's getting nothing. Sure need
help with that.

As Bruce said, check for information in the Email Delivery History tab of her page in the Members (or Moderators) list.

Shal


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John,

Yahoo. Eventually, I got a message in my Yahoo mailbox saying "there
is no data matching my request to download". I only have ca 20 groups,
with 10,000 members, and ca 200,000 messages.

I had that result, twice, with one account. But success with a secondary account (I used as backup owner in some of my groups). That led me to speculate what made the difference.

(who ever bothers to use Yahoo mail ?)

Bingo.

In my primary account /none/ of my subscriptions were using the Yahoo Mail address associated with that account. They all used either my ISP or Gmail address.

So, logged into my primary account, I went into Manage My Groups and switched one subscription in each group to use the Yahoo Mail address associated with that account.


The third time I asked for a download in my primary account, I received a zip file to download.

Might be worth a shot...

Shal


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On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 08:37 PM, Cal wrote:

Will I be able to us YahooMessagesApplication to download the messages in a format (not mbox) that can be uploaded correctly into a new group?

No.

Bruce

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 12:05 AM, Janie wrote:

But I'm confused about your next part and need your help on that. You stated this moderator should have an Owner Email block. A block? I'm very confused by that, as a block would mean she wouldn't get the owner emails (thus wouldn't see the answers to the three questions). ?

Open a member record.

On the resulting page, there are some basic identifiers, then a series of blocks:? Email Delivery, Signature, Advanced Preferences, and Posting Privileges.

Only if you are a Moderator or an Owner will the following additional blocks show up: Notifications and Owner Email.

Bruce

Bruce,

So how good is the Yahoo download? I've submitted three requests to
Yahoo for my content. The first time I got nothing. The second time I
got most of my messages and files, but none of the photos or links, no
attachments, and it took two weeks.

My experience is similar.

In each group I received all messages, gathered in one or more mbox file per group. But in no group did I receive all Files or Photos, not even all of "mine" (the ones I uploaded), though in some groups I did receive some Files and photos_and_attachments. I did get links in some groups, but no Database or Calendar entries in any. The Members list is also not included for any group.

PG Offline also omits Database and Calendar entries. Manual download is the only method I know of for those.

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On Sun, Dec 8, 2019 at 10:10 PM, BMaverick wrote:

What is the trick or methods to get the GIO homepage to show up on Google.

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BMav, So . . . . think of what keywords that YOU would use to search up your group on Google. Maybe even make a list of them.

Then interpolate them into the text of your group's description on your Groups.io homepage. That's what I did. But I have also tweaked my description there or four times as I later would think of more phrases/words/topics to add to that description.

Two other things also seem to be in play here . . .

1] Even after editing your group's description on the homepage if Google has not crawled your site's homepage recently you may not get a hit near the top of the list of results. At least not until it crawls again.

2] I read somewhere that adding other, appropriate keywords (or phrases) at the end of your description but setting the text of those keywords to white so they don't show or prove visually distracting to persons reading the homepage description still will allow Google or other web-crawlers to be able to read those white keywords. And this increases your chances for a Google (etc.) hit higher on the list.

OK – HTH

Paul M.
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Hi Bruce. I think there's a misunderstanding. We didn't want to leave IO groups--it's why I put help at the end. It was wanting help for what was frustrating.

Yes, what you posted and the pic with All Emails under the same heading is?what has always set for her. It's so odd that she's not getting the owner emails with the questions answered.?

But I'm confused about your next part and need your help on that. You stated this moderator should have an Owner Email block. A block? I'm very confused by that, as a block would mean she wouldn't get the owner emails (thus wouldn't see the answers to the three questions). ?Isn't an Owner Email block the opposite of having All Emails checked under Owner Email?

Appreciate any clarification you can give me.

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 11:01 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:

• Is there any way to reset the message counter to 0? I could delete all the messages, reset the message counter, and upload again.

I'm not aware of any way to do this.

• I could shut down this group and start a new one--but I really like the name I've used for this one. It's about the same as the name at Yahoo. Can I close a group and then reopen a new group using the same name?

Yes, indirectly.

• What are the steps to do this?

Change the group name to something like qqqqqqxxxxx, and only THEN delete it. At that point you should be able to reopen a new group using the same name.?

Having said that, if you plan to continue beta testing for Wilson, you might want to instead rename the current group to something like PGO2GIOTestGroup, and keep it around for awhile.?

Bruce

We have been working to port our Yahoo group to Groups.io. The transfer service offered by groups.io did not meet a couple of our needs:

1. About 1/4 of our messages included at least one attachment. We did not wish to lose this valuable archive, nor manually adjusting it. The problem was aggravated by an inexplicable inability to directly add attachments to posted messages.
2. As is the case in many groups (including [GMF]), many of our messages refer to other messages by message number. (It was the only reliable way to target a message in Yahoo.) We wanted to preserve the message numbers--in spite of the fact that our group had undergone pruning from time to time.

We were able to meet these requirements creating a group on Groups.io and populating it with PGO and PGO-2-GIO, but we've hit one annoying issue, due to false starts. During the beta test period with this product, I started and abandoned several uploads, deleting the messages after each test. Ultimately, I had uploaded and deleted around 998 messages before the final complete upload.

So the problem is that all the message numbers are offset by 998 from what they should be.

1. Is there any way to reset the message counter to 0? I could delete all the messages, reset the message counter, and upload again.
2. I could shut down this group and start a new one--but I really like the name I've used for this one. It's about the same as the name at Yahoo. Can I close a group and then reopen a new group using the same name? What are the steps to do this?

We do include the Yahoo message number inside the message, but I'd like the two to match. Here's an illustration:

Thanks for any help.

Larry

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 08:37 PM, KATHLEEN DESMAISONS wrote:

The code works perfectly on my wordpress.com page.

Kathleen

Kathleen,
I tried it today on wordpress.com and couldn't see how to make it work.
I didn't try it on wordpress.org because I didn't want to mess up the active site I maintain.

Can you tell me whether you are using blocks? Or paid for CSS??

Details appreciated!

Frances
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I tried it both ways on the page below, checking the unstyled, and styled, check box. As you can see on the link below, the code does not render properly, even when copied and pasted on it's own line.

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On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 08:39 PM, Leland Hill, GAA wrote:

This message ?doesn’t provide a lot of information. What message, in particular, was sent to them? Was this something that was sent by GIO when the YG was transferred? Or was it an email sent to them through one of the Group messages?

Leland -- See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam?and come back with any unanswered questions.

The message indicates the member was given a link that lets them re-subscribe but so far I’ve not received any messages showing any these members have done so. If they do re-subscribe, will I get a message notifying me?

If I recall correctly, you will receive a rejoin message.

I’m in the dark about this and I’m wondering if I need to be proactive and follow-up further with these members.

That's up to you.?

I've had this happen in my group a few times. When I did bother to follow up, sometimes the people on the other end were truly bewildered, and appreciative of my follow-up. But most of the time, they didn't want to receive group messages anymore...but were too lazy to figure out how to unsubscribe, so they just clicked their email client's spam button. This despite the fact there's an unsub link in the footer of every message.

Lots of group owner complain about the "removed for marking as spam" mechanism because they believe it's costing them subscribers. But it's my experience that most of the time the function works exactly the way it's supposed to.

Hope this helps,
Bruce