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On 13 Nov 2019 10:55, Bruce Bowman wrote:

"Send monthly to special?- this box appears only if "Sent monthly to the group" has been checked."

Confirmed.

Samuel

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 02:38 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

I disagree. It is my understanding that there is nothing in the rules for free groups that prohibit free groups from asking for donations.

Quite correct!? Thanks for catching that.? I was looking at it from the perspective of using the Donations page as opposed to simply asking for donations.

It's even fine to require people to be members of a dues collecting club before they can join the group.? Not too difficult for a small club (like mine), but could easily get very time consuming with a larger one.

Duane
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On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 04:54 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

Here's what I can see (attached).

This happens to both my free and my premium groups, regardless of whether there are members who are subscribed with "Special Notices Only" or not.

Samuel -- From the system Help:

"Send monthly to special?- this box appears only if "Sent monthly to the group" has been checked."

Bruce

On 13 Nov 2019 10:39, Bruce Bowman wrote:

See the attached screenshot. If the same checkbox isn't appearing on your end, I have no explanation, and will have to give that some more thought.

Here's what I can see (attached).

This happens to both my free and my premium groups, regardless of whether there are members who are subscribed with "Special Notices Only" or not.

Samuel

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 04:35 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

There is no option to eioher include or not include Special Notices Only members.

Samuel -- See the attached screenshot. If the same checkbox isn't appearing on your end, I have no explanation, and will have to give that some more thought.

Bruce

On 13 Nov 2019 10:13, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 04:10 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

...but I don't see the option to include Special Notices Only
members. Where is that option set up?

If you open a member notice of type Group Guidelines, you should find a checkbox to that effect just above the editor.

The only options that I see are:

Notice Type (dropdown list)
Name (fill-in field)
Subject (fill-in field)
Email Subject (fill-in field)
Private (checkbox)
Send on join (checkbox)
Send monthly to group (checkbox)

There is no option to eioher include or not include Special Notices Only members.

Samuel

On 13 Nov 2019 10:05, Bruce Bowman wrote:

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 03:38 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

Aren't one allowed to put a PayPal donation button and other donation
services' (e.g. certain crowdfunding platforms) buttons/links on the
group's home page?

Regular PayPal buttons are rendered as an html form. Forms, iframes and similar constructs are stripped by the groups.io editor before save.

That is true -- a real PayPal button is not an option, but some other payment systems' buttons do work.

For example, the Liberapay button is just an image with a hyperlink that links directly to the donations page on Libera. (People who want to donate, do have to register with Liberapay, though.) Liberapay's hyperlink is in the form , so you can add that to a plaintext footer too.

[Liberapay is only for recurring payments (but you can cancel a recurring payment after one payment). To receive donations using Liberapay, one needs to connect to either PayPal or Stripe. (I don't know what is needed to donate using Liberapay.)]

Crowdfunder.co.uk's donation link is in the format , so you can take any self-made button and put the donation link as a hyperlink on the button. With Crowdfunder.co.uk, people can donate anonymously but they don't have to.

Samuel

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 04:20 AM, CVActor wrote:

I have some 17,000 messages to move from Yahoogroups to my Group.io group. I have moved everything else myself manually, since I don't have $220 to spare :-). Is there any way to just get the messages downloaded and then uploaded myself to my list?

Cindi -- With the proper tools, you can download them just fine; but the upload part is problematical.

See?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/FAQ-on-Moving-from-Yahoo-Groups, section 10b.

Bruce

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 04:10 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

- Can be sent automatically on the first of each month as
a message to the group, with an option to include members
subscribed via Special Notices Only
----------------------------------------------------------

...but I don't see the option to include Special Notices Only members. Where is that option set up?

Samuel -- If you open a member notice of type Group Guidelines, you should find a checkbox to that effect just above the editor. Member notices of other types cannot be scheduled.

Regards,
Bruce

Hello

On the GMF wiki page about "Member Notices", it says:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices

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- Can be sent automatically on the first of each month as
a message to the group, with an option to include members
subscribed via Special Notices Only
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...but I don't see the option to include Special Notices Only members. Where is that option set up?

Samuel

On Wed, Nov 13, 2019 at 03:38 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

Aren't one allowed to put a PayPal donation button and other donation
services' (e.g. certain crowdfunding platforms) buttons/links on the
group's home page?

Samuel -- Regular PayPal buttons are rendered as an html form. Forms, iframes and similar constructs are stripped by the groups.io editor before save.

If you have a separate web site, you can host the donation buttons there and link to that.

Bruce

On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 09:28 PM, J Forster wrote:

Is there any way to download the interim messages and upload them to the correct place?

J -- Frances covered this one pretty well...nothing to add.

Also, relatedly, the scraping missed a few messages because of Yahoo spazzing.

An unknown number of messages could also have been deleted from the Yahoo group before the transfer ever occurred. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, this is often at least part of the reason why the numbers won't match up exactly.

Bruce

On 13 Nov 2019 08:24, CVActor via Groups.Io wrote:

In Yahoogroups we could mark a letter/file to automatically be sent to subscribers joining and leaving a group.

Your Group > Admin > Settings > Member notices.

See also:
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Member-Notices

Samuel

On 03 Nov 2019 19:31, Duane wrote:

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 12:29 PM, Norman C. Berns wrote:

I have a standard group. Can I ask my members for donations to maintain the group?

If you mean a free group, then no.? It's a Premium group option.

I disagree. It is my understanding that there is nothing in the rules for free groups that prohibit free groups from asking for donations.

You are free to set up donation receiving with any donation system (e.g. PayPal, Liberapay, crowdfunding systems, etc.) and ask users to use it to send you donations.

You can tell users about the donation system e.g. on the group's home page, in the message footer, in a member notice (e.g. monthly reminder), etc.

If you want to make the group accessibly only to people who have given donations, your secretary is going to have to compare the list of people who donated to the people who are members to your group manually.

Samuel

On 13 Nov 2019 06:15, Frances wrote:

Fabien, I think that you are overthinking it. Just create an account
- they only ask for name, email address, create password.

While it's true that you can register with Stripe with only your name,
e-mail address and a password, you can't connect to a service (such as
Groups.io) unless you are a commercial or registered non-profit entity
and unless you reveal not only information about your business or
organisation but also personal, identifying information about yourself
(in your capacity as a director of your organisation who "authorises"
Stripe to connect to your organisation).

I think the fact is that Groups.io's donations system is still rather
underdeveloped, and currently only officially registered entities can
make use of it. It's not currently meant for individuals.

Aren't one allowed to put a PayPal donation button and other donation
services' (e.g. certain crowdfunding platforms) buttons/links on the
group's home page?

Samuel

Cindi,

*You have reached the limit for number of direct adds that can be
processed without approval. ...
...
Should I be worried?

Nope. Your Direct Add may be approved by the time your receive this.

I thought the limit was 1,000 addresses.

That's Yahoo's limit on exporting the Members list. The Direct Add (and Invite) review trigger is 20 in 24 hours. But it is just a trigger for review (an anti-spam measure).

Or should I have loaded the members as a different kind of file - like
a CVS or TVS?

Nope.

*What do I do now?*

Continue getting ready for your new members, the approval should happen in a reasonable time, even given the large rush of new groups.

Shal


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On 13 Nov 2019 06:03, Fabien wrote:

I’m still having trouble setting up donations. When it asks for the
company name, job title, business address, business phone number,
website, business type such as LLC, nonprofit organization, etc., and
other required fields, I’m not sure what to put.

The Stripe page that is displayed depends on which country you're in, so we can't really help unless you tell us in which country you are, so that we can go look at what the Stripe page looks like for that country.

Samuel