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Re: PG Offline users #pgoffline

 

Since YG is still operational, why not send a msg too all members to sign up at GIO.

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:05 AM Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:

I went back and looked and, yes, there are some email addresses there, but much less than half of the total number of members. Is it likely that that many people would have chosen to hide their email addresses? I presume that might apply where members read the list messages on the Yahoogroups website, rather than by email delivery.

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I downloaded all the list messages (over 57,000 of them!), plus the list Photos and Files. I did not download ¡°Links,¡± because I presume that most of them are out of date.

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Thanks for your help!


Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email ¨C jltournier60@...

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Re: PG Offline users #pgoffline

 

I've have the same issue with a group I'm helping to transfer.

The issue is (or appears to be) the permissions that you have in the group with your ID. The export in PGO does export the email address field, so clearly tries to download it in the first place, but as just a member I only get my own email address in the download. Probably a good test is to look and see on the Y! web login if you can access member's details; if not, then it's unlikely PGO will be able to.

I'm not sure if you need just moderator or full owner permissions on the Y! group to get member's email addresses, I'm waiting for the group's owner to promote my membership so's I can test this.?
Re: Yahoogroups claims I have no data???

 

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Gerald:

I would concur. I was having a problem with making Groups.io a moderator until I logged out, logged back in and instead of the "I'll do this later" when ahead and accepted the "Oath".....?

David

On 2019-11-04 08:40, Gerald Boutin wrote:

However, I suspect you also must have gone through the "Oath" acceptance.
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Re: PG Offline users #pgoffline

 

I went back and looked and, yes, there are some email addresses there, but much less than half of the total number of members. Is it likely that that many people would have chosen to hide their email addresses? I presume that might apply where members read the list messages on the Yahoogroups website, rather than by email delivery.

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I downloaded all the list messages (over 57,000 of them!), plus the list Photos and Files. I did not download ¡°Links,¡± because I presume that most of them are out of date.

?

Thanks for your help!


Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email ¨C jltournier60@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of M K Ramadoss <mkr777@...>
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 10:41:49 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [GMF] PG Offline users
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Sorry to jump in.
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In YG, there was a feature to use yahoo id and hide your real email. If a member has chosen to do this, only a moderator or owner can see the real email address. This may be the issue with PG not seeing email addresses.
Did you download the entire YG using PG and see if you could export member email listings.
Re: PG Offline users #pgoffline

 

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Johanne:

The information I provided earlier (for use in PG Offline) does result in both the username and email address in the export file. However, this is only done if?the Yahoogroups username and password you used in PG Offline?is?the same as an owner and/or moderator of that forum/group. If you aren't sure if you are an owner or moderator, log-in to Yahoogroups main page (where all your groups are listed - probably??) and look to see if there is a Blue or Green "crown" icon in the "Manage my Groups" column.?

I tried downloading the member list for a number of?other Yahoogroups in which I participate (those where I am not a moderator or owner), and ended up with what you described, just a list of usernames, without email addresses.?

You might want to verify that Yahoogroups sees you as a moderator for that group (green crown).? If not, you could try sending a note on the old Yahoogroup interface asking for anyone who still is listed as a moderator for the old Yahoogroup to help.?

HTH

David

On 2019-11-04 08:32, Johanne Tournier wrote:

Hi, David ¨C

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I very much appreciate this info, because I am a co-moderator of a list in which the current owner of the new list has been removed for some reason from the Yahoogroup. Since neither of the current co-moderators of the groups.io group were moderators of the Yahoogroup, we do not have access to the members list of the Yahoogroup,, and obviously we would like to send invite messages to all of them to join us over here at groups.io.

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So I followed your instructions (I thought). I got a members list ¨C but I only see the Yahoogroups user names; there are no email addresses. Since you didn't specify, I went ahead and exported the 892 members to an export file. What I found was that it (automatically?) converted to an Excel file (on a spreadsheet form, in other words), but again, there are only Yahoo user names without email addresses.

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Can you help me so that I can download both the user names and email addresses and possibly the real names as well?

?

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Re: Yahoogroups claims I have no data???

Gerald Boutin
 

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 10:38 AM, Duane wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 08:35 AM, Joe WB9SBD wrote:
Wasn't the deadline to get all that stuff the 28th?
No, that's when YG quit adding things to the storage.? All items should be available for download until December 14.

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Re: PG Offline users #pgoffline

 

Sorry to jump in.
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In YG, there was a feature to use yahoo id and hide your real email. If a member has chosen to do this, only a moderator or owner can see the real email address. This may be the issue with PG not seeing email addresses.
Did you download the entire YG using PG and see if you could export member email listings.
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On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 8:35 AM Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:

Hi, David ¨C

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I very much appreciate this info, because I am a co-moderator of a list in which the current owner of the new list has been removed for some reason from the Yahoogroup. Since neither of the current co-moderators of the group were moderators of the Yahoogroup, we do not have access to the members list of the Yahoogroup,, and obviously we would like to send invite messages to all of them to join us over here at .

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So I followed your instructions (I thought). I got a members list ¨C but I only see the Yahoogroups user names; there are no email addresses. Since you didn¡¯t specify, I went ahead and exported the 892 members to an export file. What I found was that it (automatically?) converted to an Excel file (on a spreadsheet form, in other words), but again, there are only Yahoo user names without email addresses.

?

Can you help me so that I can download both the user names and email addresses and possibly the real names as well?

?

Thanks for any help you can give!

?

Johanne

?

Johanne L. Tournier

Email ¨C jltournier60@...

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Re: Yahoogroups claims I have no data???

Gerald Boutin
 

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 09:55 AM, Susan B wrote:
Shal
I got that same message saying no data available from yahoo and wondered if it¡¯s because my email address for groups i joined is different from my yahoo accoint email address. What do you think?

Susan B
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Susan,

In order to download your groups' data, you must be logged into Yahoo using the Yahoo account that can see all of your Yahoo groups. It doesn't matter which email addresses you have defined for the individual group "Identity".

However, I suspect you also must have gone through the "Oath" acceptance.


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Re: Yahoogroups claims I have no data???

 

I may have this wrong, but my understanding is that they are just not accepting new ¡°content¡± from users as of Oct. 28th. I think the more drastic elimination (of things like message archives?) happens on Dec. 14, 2019. If I am right in that, you should still be able to download content from Yahoogroups up to Dec. 14.

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Good luck!

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Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email ¨C jltournier60@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Joe WB9SBD <nss@...>
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 10:34:12 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [GMF] Yahoogroups claims I have no data???
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Wasn't the deadline to get all that stuff the 28th?

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Re: Yahoogroups claims I have no data???

 

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 08:35 AM, Joe WB9SBD wrote:
Wasn't the deadline to get all that stuff the 28th?
No, that's when YG quit adding things to the storage.? All items should be available for download until December 14.

Duane
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Re: Yahoogroups claims I have no data???

 

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Wasn't the deadline to get all that stuff the 28th?

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On 11/4/2019 2:23 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

Cindi,

> "Your download request has been completed, but no data of this type is
>? available in your account."

Welcome to the club. That's the answer I have as well. For an account that has been participating in dozens of Yahoo Groups, owner and moderator of several, since 2003.

I think it means that their mechanism is broken for some accounts. I don't know what makes the difference between our experience and that of others, who've received links to apparently complete archives.

I tweeted @YahooCare (Yahoo Customer Care on Twitter) to see if they could help. I promptly received back a reply directing me to the help page. I tweeted back "Thanks, but that's where I got the link to request the download". No reply to that (yet?).

Meanwhile, I obtained an archive of all the groups I'm interested in using PG Offline, So if Yahoo doesn't come through I'm covered. To me, the $25 license was well worth the peace of mind. Your mileage may vary.


Shal



Re: PG Offline users #pgoffline

 

Hi, David ¨C

?

I very much appreciate this info, because I am a co-moderator of a list in which the current owner of the new list has been removed for some reason from the Yahoogroup. Since neither of the current co-moderators of the groups.io group were moderators of the Yahoogroup, we do not have access to the members list of the Yahoogroup,, and obviously we would like to send invite messages to all of them to join us over here at groups.io.

?

So I followed your instructions (I thought). I got a members list ¨C but I only see the Yahoogroups user names; there are no email addresses. Since you didn¡¯t specify, I went ahead and exported the 892 members to an export file. What I found was that it (automatically?) converted to an Excel file (on a spreadsheet form, in other words), but again, there are only Yahoo user names without email addresses.

?

Can you help me so that I can download both the user names and email addresses and possibly the real names as well?

?

Thanks for any help you can give!

?

Johanne

?

Johanne L. Tournier

Email ¨C jltournier60@...

?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of David Riecks <david@...>
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2019 12:51:25 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Cc: Larry McDavid <lmcdavid@...>
Subject: Re: [GMF] PG Offline users
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Larry:

It's possible to get a members list with PG Offline.

However, it's a multi-step process.?

First, in the left hand panel, select the specific group name.?

Hover the mouse over the group name, then right-click, and choose "Get Members for Current Group" first.?

You might think you can just select "Export Members for Current Group" but if you do that, you get a .CSV file of one line, with nothing in the file.?

So first, "Get" (you'll see the usernames fly by in the lower panel, in alpha order) then "Export"

By default the .csv will be saved to the "pg-offline-exports" folder in your main "documents" folder location.?

One odd thing I found, however is that despite having 1374 members in my group that was on Yahoogroups, the .csv only has 1364 member usernames and email addresses.? Not sure why that is happening.... if anyone has any ideas, let me know.?

HTH,

David


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Re: Subgroup for Email Only #subgroups #email

 

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 09:17 AM, Nancy Goldman wrote:
So only those members that were invited to the subgroup could access it? ?Trying to use the subgroup for board files that should not be accessible by general membership.
Correct.

My only suggestion - name your subgroup so it is obvious which is which. Then no Board member will post on the wrong one. See this wiki page about naming and aliases. And online, give each page a distinctive cover photo.?
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Subgroups

Frances



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Re: Subgroup for Email Only #subgroups #email

Nancy Goldman
 

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So only those members that were invited to the subgroup could access it? ?Trying to use the subgroup for board files that should not be accessible by general membership.

Nancy Goldman

On Nov 3, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 11:58 AM, Derek Milliner wrote:
Slightly awkward I admit, as you'd have to invite members (assuming you make it a restricted group not listed in the parent)...
Members already in the parent group can be Direct Added to a subgroup, regardless of payment plan (Basic, Premium, or Enterprise). They do not have to be invited.

Regards,
Bruce

Re: Yahoogroups claims I have no data???

 

Shal
I got that same message saying no data available from yahoo and wondered if it¡¯s because my email address for groups i joined is different from my yahoo accoint email address. What do you think?

Susan B

On Nov 4, 2019, at 3:23 AM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Cindi,

"Your download request has been completed, but no data of this type is
available in your account."
Welcome to the club. That's the answer I have as well. For an account that has been participating in dozens of Yahoo Groups, owner and moderator of several, since 2003.

I think it means that their mechanism is broken for some accounts. I don't know what makes the difference between our experience and that of others, who've received links to apparently complete archives.

I tweeted @YahooCare (Yahoo Customer Care on Twitter) to see if they could help. I promptly received back a reply directing me to the help page. I tweeted back "Thanks, but that's where I got the link to request the download". No reply to that (yet?).

Meanwhile, I obtained an archive of all the groups I'm interested in using PG Offline, So if Yahoo doesn't come through I'm covered. To me, the $25 license was well worth the peace of mind. Your mileage may vary.


Shal


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Re: yG Privacy Dashboard download #yahooprivacydashboard #ioimportpl

 

On Oct 26 I wrote:

The banner on yahooGroups pages links to


There I clicked "How can I keep my Yahoo Groups content?", got:
"Photos and files can be saved right from the Yahoo Groups site,
or you can download your data from the Privacy Dashboard"


On October 16 I clicked "Visit the Privacy Dashboard page", yahoo!, Groups,
the three blue dots to the right near the top,
the link to , "Email the code",
entered the code, Download.

Today (Oct 26) I got an email and downloaded a 1.4 GB file.
It contained Messages and Files from all groups I'm a member of, but no Photos.
Not only my messages, but all messages, including full email addresses,
in mbox format. Incliding GMF (76 MB zipped), YGOG, LH.
And all Files and Links.
On Oct 26 I deleted the downloaded file from yahooGroups website
and requested the download again. On Nov 2 the second download was ready.
This time it contained photos uploaded only by me
but messages (with full email addresses) and Files from all members
for all groups where I'm a member (not only where I'm moderator or owner).

I wrote a program to import messages downloaded from yahooGroups this way
into a .io group or subgroup via email.
Import is slow because soon groups.io says:

500 We have received more than 40 messages in 30 minutes from you. To guard
against autoresponder mail loops, we must reject additional messages from you
temporarily. Please try again later.
Here "you" means email address in "From" of message to import.
After the backlog of importing "easy group transfer" clears in December,
users of my program can petition Mark to exempt from this check
if "HELO import.messages.from.yahoogroups"
(it's how my program identifies itself to groups.io).

You can download this my program from


Instructions are in the beginning of the program,
here I copy them:

# Import yahooGroup messages downloaded from Privacy Dashboard
# into groups.io via email direct-to-MX.
# Your IP-address must have RDNS; your ISP must not block port 25.
# How to check RDNS: on there must be something after
# "Host name:", or else groups.io refuses mail directly from your computer.
# In such case you can run this program on a web-hosting,
# invoking it with a web-browser.

# This program can be used under Windows, MacOSX, Linux, FreeBSD etc.:
# 1. Unzip the download from Privacy Dashboard
#
# (only the file messages.zip is used).
# 2. Create a directory (folder), if under Windows then C:\perl
# Everything will be in that directory.
# 3. (only Windows) download to that directory and unzip:
# (32bit)
# or (64bit)
# 4. Unzip the ioimport.zip file with this program
# and the messages.zip file (containing one or more files) into same directory.
# 5. Subscribe a new email address to the .io group, in Members set its
# display name to single dot. Messages from currently non-members
# and moderated members will be imported with that email address in "From:",
# original email address inserted into the top of message body.
# 6. From your group on groups.io website in Admin - Members right-click the
# Download button, save memberlist.csv into the same directory;
# 7. in Admin - Settings, Moderated must not be checked;
# 8. in Hashtags press Create Hashtag, enter #mi , check No Email
# and press Create Hashtag ("mi" means "message import").
# 9. Run this program (if under Windows then run portableshell.bat in that
# directory, type
# perl ioimport.pl
# and press Enter), it creates needchange.txt file with email addresses
# from the messages to import which are currently not subscribed
# to the .io group, or moderated, or have another problematic status.
# 10. You can optionally create (in the same directory) map.txt file,
# each line with two email addresses (separated with blanks, tabs or commas):
# email address in yahooGroup archive (from needchange.txt)
# and email address of the same person currently subscribed to the .io group.
# 11. Run the program again, look again into needchange.txt file.
# You can add to map.txt and run this program again several times.
# 12. In the same directory create file fromto.txt with one line with
# two email addresses: the email address you created and subscribed
# and email address of the .io group or subgroup.
# 13. Optionally run the program again, it sends an email to +help
# in order to check that it can email to groups.io directly from your computer
# (that your ISP doesn't block port 25 and your IP-address has RDNS).
# The mailbox you subscribed should receive an email with Subject beginning
# from "Automated help for the".
# 14. In the same directory create goahead.txt file (with empty content
# or any content).
# 15. Run this program again, import begins. If it fails, you can run
# this program again as many times as needed, it'll skip already imported
# messages and resume from the failed message.
# 16. Delete the fromto.txt file
# and the files with .mbox. in their names extracted from messages.zip
# (they would be wrong if you want to import messages from another yahooGroup).
# 17. On groups.io website in Hashtags under #mi press Edit, Delete, Yes.

# version 1 November 2019 Lena @ lena.kiev.ua BSD license
# Perl 5 (any version)

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Re: When you are in Stage 3

 

Thanks Penny for your reply... Given it is taking ages to migrate, it is easy to keep track of who joined in our subscription section, so I will? check what comes over and invite the newbies separately. My Co-Owner and I have sent out a couple of messages to our users, keeping them informed.. Cheers
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of PurplePenny <purplepenny@...>
Sent: Monday, 4 November 2019 5:40 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [GMF] When you are in step 3
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On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 08:03 AM, <snakerbat@...> wrote:
I take it I will need to keep track of any new joiners and invite them personally when we transfer.
I have "We've moved" plastered all over my group's home page on Yahoo and the group set to require new member approval, so if I get a new member approval email from Yahoo I just send them an invitation to GIO.? I'm happy to report that only one person has tried to join the Yahoo group since we moved.? I've had a lot of new members joining, so I don't thiok anyone has been put off or confused by having to go to a different page to join,
Re: Anything like yahoo links functionality? #howto #messages #links #featurerequest

 

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 06:10 AM, Dave Bird wrote:
What is this 'Easy Group Transfer'?
Dave -- For details on this, just click the link, found at the very bottom of every page here in groups.io (may not be visible on your mobile device).

Bruce
Re: Anything like yahoo links functionality? #howto #messages #links #featurerequest

 

Thanks.

What is this 'Easy Group Transfer'? The link at the start of the thread 'Yahoo has now created a downloader' isnt't called that.

Dave
Re: Bouncing Members

 

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 09:20 PM, Bob Miller wrote:
And the latest bounces started at 5:36PM and it says ¡°Email to ¡° is bouncing via the system. However, no emails have been sent since yesterday.?

I¡¯m a little puzzled. Anyone have some guidance?
Bob -- As Shal implied, bouncing is an account status, not a subscription status.?As a group owner, you cannot view bounce reports for messages originating from other groups, but the subscriber himself can get a full account of all his bounced messages at?/account?page=bounces

Please note that bouncing status can also be affected by the failed delivery of notifications, confirmation emails and so on, not just group posts. More details on this than you probably ever wanted to know can be found at?/static/help#bouncing

Regards,
Bruce
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