Marcio,

Well, that's what I was going to say :) it seems that /messages and
/topics are different things, yet related to each other.

You are correct.

The /messages page is a list of all the messages, ignoring each message's inclusion in a topic.

A topic is a list of one or more messages that have the same Subject text. When you view a topic the Subject text is shown only at the top of the page, not repeated for each message shown below.

The /topics page then is a list of all the topics.

There are a variety of subtle differences between the /messages page and the /topics page.

Some of the differences seem natural. For example on the /topics page next to the Subject of each topic is a count of the messages in that topic, if the count is greater than 1. That count wouldn't make any sense in the /messages page.

On the other hand some of the differences seem questionable to me. For example, as we discussed the /topics page lacks the search by number box. Also, the /messages page lacks the "pinned" topic at the top. I get it, in the sense that each of those concepts goes with the other view, but nevertheless I believe it would be more convenient (and more consistent) to show each of those in both /messages and /topics so that the user doesn't have to switch views just to find them.

Those may be all of the differences between the /messages and /topics pages, I'm not sure. I don't remember and I don't immediately see others at the moment.

For further amusement check out the /expanded page. Basically the same as the /messages page, but showing the whole message bodies rather than linking to them.

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On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 04:15 AM, Ian Binnie wrote:

I set up a small group for a club a while ago, and have been sending invitations to remaining members of the club.

One invitation shows Status "Failed - 5.1.2".

What does this mean?

I had a couple of failures (due to typing errors) which were obvious and easily fixed, but this puzzles me. The email address is correct (from my Address Book) - I assume some kind of delivery error, but it is to bigpond.com - Australia's largest telco.

Typically, 5.1.2 means that the email address was incorrect such as being a typo. I found a much more thorough answer by Googling SMTP error 5.1.2:

512 - The host server for?
the recipient's?
domain name cannot?
be found (DNS error)?
(also called SMTP Error 5.1.2)?
SMTP Error 512 : This SMTP reply code is received?
when one of the servers on the way to the destination is?
unable to resolve the domain name of a recipient email?
address. Said differently : one of the servers on the way?
to the destination, including your server or your ISP, has a?
DNS problem or, possibly correctly, does not like one of?
the email addresses in the message's TO, CC, and BCC?
fields.?
The first check you should perform to resolve a 5.1.2 reply?
code is to check all the recipient email addresses for?
incorrect domain names (misspelt domain names, or,?
maybe, totally non-existent domain names) - remember,?
error code 512 is very specifically an error with the?
domain name of one of the recipient email addresses.?
You can call the recipient(s) or use the WHOIS tool of The?
Ultimate Troubleshooter. If all the recipient email?
addresses check out as regards the domain part of the?
email addresses, then one of the servers on the way to the?
recipient(s) has DNS problems - usually this will be one of?
the first 2 servers in the chain, your own mail server (or?
your network) or your ISP's mail server.?
Examples of typical SMTP error 512 messages : "5.1.2 -?
Bad destination host 'DNS Hard Error looking up domain",?
or "SMTP Error 550 5.1.2 Host unknown - host cannot be?
found", or how about this fantastically informative error?
message "5.1.2 The message could not be delivered?
because the recipient's destination email system is?
unknown or invalid. Please check the address and try?
again, or contact your system administrator to verify?
connectivity to the email system of the recipient.".?
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In summary : most SMTP error 512 conditions are?
caused by misspellings of the domain name part of a?
recipient email address. However, with the proliferation?
of spam, error 512 is also often encountered by automatic?
"out-of-office" replies to junk mail because the domain?
names used by junk mail are often bogus domain names.?
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On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 08:15 AM, Ian Binnie wrote:

One invitation shows Status "Failed - 5.1.2".

What does this mean?

This, apparently: SMTP 5.1.2 Error message indicates the domain name is incorrect or doesn't exist in the address the message was sent to.

You stated that the email address is correct (from my Address Book) but do you know that that is still correct; the fact that it was correct once does not mean that it still is!

Have you got an alternative address from which you can send a message direct to the individual concerned to see if that works?

Have you really examined the email address that you used; if you typed it in it is all too easy to make a tiny mistake that can be hard to spot; a comma instead of a "dot", for example.

Chris

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Shal,

I set up a small group for a club a while ago, and have been sending invitations to remaining members of the club.

One invitation shows Status "Failed - 5.1.2".

What does this mean?

I had a couple of failures (due to typing errors) which were obvious and easily fixed, but this puzzles me. The email address is correct (from my Address Book) - I assume some kind of delivery error, but it is to bigpond.com - Australia's largest telco.

Hi all,

This week's change log:



Feel free to reply to this topic if you'd like to comment on the
changes. Or better yet, if you expect a lot of discussion start a new
topic (or rejoin an existing one) about a specific change.

BUGFIX: We were not detecting quoted message parts from Outlook that
included a "Cc:" header line.

Glad I'm not the only one who sometimes codes head-scratchers like that one. How in the world does an error parsing a header line break detection of quoted material in the message body? A clue is that it was specific to Outlook, but also how could that be? No doubt this is another one where Mark would say "don't ask". Sometimes parsers go down a rabbit hole where you least expect one.


Comments about these are welcome:

NEW: Enterprise Settings screen for enterprise accounts to make
changes to their domain settings.
BUGFIX: The email address displayed when you edit an email integration
was incorrect. The email address displayed in the overall email
integration display is correct.
CHANGE: In certain messages, we cannot tell if a signature is part of
the original message or a part of the reply. We were displaying
these sigs, but that lead to some 'false positives'. So, we're no
longer displaying the sigs.
CHANGE: Event notification and cancellation emails now include the
Organizer name, if there is one.
INTERNAL: Cleanup of various javascript displaytime file versions
usage.
API: Implemented /chatdata endpoint for chats.
INTERNAL: Re-implemented much of the chat system to behave well with
API calls.
BUGFIX: We were not recording failed confirmation email results.
API: Changed is_subscribed field in the chat object to chat_sub.
API: Added show_closed parameter to the getchats endpoint.
CHANGE: Redid the Login With Google authentication system to hopefully
conform with their updated requirements.

Please call out any you find significant.

Shal


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Don,

I’ve noticed his address at the top of the email says:

[email protected]; on behalf of Joe Blow ... via Groups.Io
abcdesfghi@... ...
What is going on here.

That's a From address that has been rewritten to meet the requirements of DMARC (an anti-spoofing technology). This will happen with some members services (AOL, Yahoo Mail, etc) but not others (Gmail, cox.net, etc.).
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Their posts that list in Messages work fine, but not to me and some
others.

I'd guess that is probably not related to the From rewriting. If anything, that should make the message seem less "spammy" to a receiving service.

A few of our members that replied to his email have also gone into my
Spam folder, but one member that replied did not go into my Spam
folder.

That seems to me like a clue that your inbound spam filter is being triggered by something in the message, which may have been quoted in some of the replies. One thing to watch for are automatically inserted ads for the email interface and/or security software the member is using. Those and other links tend to end up on spam blacklists.

Shal


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Marcio,

Now here's the thing again. Doing this, it's possible to see the
"search" edit field, as it should be in the first place.

To a sighted user of Firefox, the Search button yields a pop-up that appears identical in those two cases. It has a text box to enter the search target, and two buttons: Search and Cancel. It also has a close (X) in the upper right corner.

I'm astounded that NVDA "sees" them as different.

a very strange edit field which NVDA reports as "MSG".

One possibility occurs to me. When navigating directly an URL ending in /messages page one sees the Messages view of the list. Near the top of that page is a bar that includes a menu for selecting your view, the Hashtags button, the Search button, a button with a funnel icon (expands a date selector), a search box for finding messages by number, the date order control, and the left-right buttons for previous and next page in the message list. NVDA's report of "MSG" makes me think you may have somehow clicked into search by number box (which does hint "Msg #" to the sighted) rather than into the search dialog proper.

By contrast, when one navigates starting at the home page and clicking the Messages button in the left column one may actually be taken to a page whose URL ends in /topics. This is the Topic view of the Messages list, and it lacks the search by message number box.

You may want to report your observations on beta as a suggestion that the NVDA rendering needs investigation and correction. Mark has been very receptive to fixing screen-reader issues.

Shal


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Ah, that's part of the wiki that is fairly well developed!

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Polls

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I am wondering how to close a poll where results can be sent to me or to members of the group.? I seen where a poll can be deleted, but can it simply be closed and results saved?
Barbara Jean

Barbara Jean,

... can one set the photos so that all photos must first be approved
by a moderator without the need to moderate messages?

Sorry, there is no approval process for the upload of photos. The only control is whether members can upload photos or not.

For photos included in email messages, it is possible that the Attachments control in the Message Formatting section will work - one of the options there is to Moderate messages containing attachments. But I haven't tested whether inline photos would be included in that control.

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Shal, can you add this to the wiki when you have time? I looked there to direct Kathryn to it, but it isn't there.

Thanks!

Frances
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On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 08:52 PM, <sally.suzy@...> wrote:

With yahoogroups, you could set it up so that an applying member would have to answer a simply question as to why they wished to join.? This prevented spammers and it helped to assure that the applicant was really interested in the topic of the group.

How would I set up something like that for a new group in groups.io?

Sally -- There is no questionnaire function, but many people use the Pending Subscription notice for this purpose.

For details, please see?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Screening-New-Members-Using-the-Pending-Subscription-Notice?and?/static/help#membernotices. Let us know if you have further questions.

Regards,
Bruce
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With yahoogroups, you could set it up so that an applying member would have to answer a simply question as to why they wished to join.? This prevented spammers and it helped to assure that the applicant was really interested in the topic of the group.

How would I set up something like that for a new group in groups.io?

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 07:43 AM, Duane wrote:

I can't verify it since I don't have a paid group, but I believe it becomes a drop down on the members page (where you can choose members, bouncing, etc.)? The most recent information says their Notes should remain.

Ok, I found it, that actually is very cool, shows the reason why each person left, voluntary or otherwise, exactly what I needed.? Thanks again.

Steve

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Shal, Bruce, Sandy and everyone else on this thread,

Please tell Ingrid that when she uses "save as" to generate an excel .CSV file, there are more options available to generate the utf-8 file?
BUT invalid characters will only get "flagged" by being replaced with a tiny diamond shape
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