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Re: Pending Member

 

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 04:28 PM, Douglas Swearingen wrote:
The only way I can figure this out is, the first request may have been deleted by the prospective member.
Douglas -- It is entirely possible for someone to delete/withdraw his subscription while it's still in Pending status. While I agree that's the most likely scenario, I suggest checking your Activity Log to see if you can glean any more information.

Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: Markdown is not rendered online #markdown

 

Ond?ej,

The issue that I am raising is that I would like the groups.io web
interface to also render such markdown plain text emails properly.
I think that's what Mark was alluding to, with his reference to a parameter (markup=markdown) added to the Content-Type field of a text/plain message body. For example:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; markup=markdown

Maybe he meant only that Groups.io adds that parameter to outbound messages when composed in markdown, but I thought he implied it would work for messages received with that parameter as well.

I don't have MailMate so I've never tried it. I don't know if it is possible to coerce Thunderbird into generating that parameter on outbound message bodies.

Just to clarify, I disabled html email in my group, as I only want
plain text emails.
I'm surprised that works with the Groups Web Poster - its method is to render the markdown into a text/HTML part for the outbound message. But maybe the fact this works for you implies that the parameter is generated outbound and used inbound.

I tried using MarkDown Here in Thunderbird to create a message in markdown, and sent it to my test group, having set that group to Text Only. What came through was the text/plain part with the markdown coding displayed rather than rendered. However, the message did not have the parameter to tell Groups.io that the content was markdown, so that is not surprising:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

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Pending Member

 

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Hello all,

Maybe someone can help me make sense of this.? My group is a restricted group.? I have had 2 member requests in the last hour.? They have both came from the same Android phone, with Tacoma, WA as where the persons phone is registered.? One of them is with a live mail email account, the other with a g-mail email address.? Only the second shows up in the group as a pending member.?

The only way I can figure this out is, the first request may have been deleted by the prospective member.

Am I missing something here??

Doug


Calendar function

David A Scott
 

Hi,
My group has a calendar on it's page but I can't figure how to make it allow me to make entries. I have moderator status.
Dave Scott
Copley, Ohio


Re: Saving Private Messages (was: Vanishing email)

 

On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 03:35 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
To provide private email service would increase server load and storage costs, and the current funding approach might become unsustainable.
Undoubtedly true, but...

I'm pretty sure the only private messages currently retained are invitations/direct add notices (via the activity log) and +owner messages (via the corresponding button on the subscriber's page). And an argument could be made that such messages are not really "private," inasmuch as they are accessible to all Moderators, and individuals can be rotated in and out of those positions.
I haven't comprehensively tested the above assertion, but I suspect it is also perfectly true. However, it does leave gaps in the system. An Owner or Moderator might have the need to message a subscriber warning them of a possible return to being fully moderated if some unwelcome conduct persists, and while any such message can be Bcc: All Moderators there is no permanent record of its existence. Even if the message is based on a proforma Member Notice there is no Activity Log record of its having been sent. OTOH a Resend Pending Subscription is issued, that is logged.

In a similar vein a +Owner message is logged & stored, but any reply to it is neither even if it is not strictly private.

So perhaps Alex does have a point, at least in some circumstances.

Chris


Re: Delete event sends CANCELLED EVENT notification to group #calendar #cal-notice

 

Any ideas here? This is the most serious problem I've had, since the cancelation went out to 180 people about a real event, and now I'm pretty nervous about using the calendar ?lest I ever need to delete a dupe record again

i also don't ?understand HOW I ended up with duplicate events from just editing my 1 event multiple times (because repeatedly when I re-opened the ?record, ?the start end times had reverted to the default hours so I had to edit/update again mysteriously resulting in 3 records)

For context I'm a database consultant with a database consulting firm and formerly an IT manager and also a DBA so I don't think this is "finger trouble"!! ... I hope!!!


Seeking a Debtor or Senders Anonymous Group

 

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I am new to this site and finding it a challenge to locate an Online Debtors or Spenders Anonymous Group on the site.? Any tips would be appreciated.? Thank you.




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Saving Private Messages (was: Vanishing email)

 

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 11:06 PM, Alex Sproul wrote:
I am incredulous that groups.io does not save any PMs.
Alex -- Unlike Yahoo and some others, you create an account here via an already-existing email address; your personal inbox/outbox resides there. To provide private email service would increase server load and storage costs, and the current funding approach might become unsustainable. Perhaps that will change when the groups.io app is rolled out...at that point such private messages could be stored on your own device.?

I'm pretty sure the only private messages currently retained are invitations/direct add notices (via the activity log) and +owner messages (via the corresponding button on the subscriber's page). And an argument could be made that such messages are not really "private," inasmuch as they are accessible to all Moderators, and individuals can be rotated in and out of those positions.

Regards,
Bruce?
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Re: Vanishing email

 
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<p>I do this all the time. Sometimes I can't spell check for what ever reason on a website etc so I keep jarte or text edit open and I type my master piece, polish it, buff it and sand it for the final touch. Lol! Anyway, I've ben doing this for the longest time as I've also had stuff just disappear.</p>
<p>Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. <br /><br />[Long sig line trimmed by Moderator]<br /><br /></p>
<p>On 26 Jul 2019, at 21:47, Michael Pavan wrote:</p>
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<p>On Jul 26, 2019, at 5:21 PM, Alex Sproul <a href="mailto:imocaves@..." target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">imocaves@...</a> wrote:</p>
<p>I just spent an hour composing an important message to lagging members. It was sent by going to Admin &gt; Members and checking the appropriate members, then using Send Message to create. But when I clicked on Send to Members, poof, all my work disappeared into the ether. It didn't go to anybody, and I didn't get my own bcc. What's wrong here? Do I want to spend another hour recreating my message? Why can't I see any of my moderator messages to individuals? Only via bcc's?</p>
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<p>I think that happens to most people at one time or another, sometimes it was my fault, other times something in the technology goes wrong - either way it's lost. :-(</p>
<p>I avoid it by composing offline (and saving frequently) in a simple ASCII (I guess it's now called UTF-8) document, such as Mac's TextEdit plain text (not Rich Text Format). When my message is ready, I copy and paste (not drag and drop) it into an email (or website email form) and then send. I'm not sure but I think the Windows/PC equivalent is NotePad.</p>
<p>Copying and pasting from other (more sophisticated?) word-processing applications as strange corruptions can occur due to non-compatible Special Character and formatting coding.</p>
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Re: Vanishing email

 

On Jul 26, 2019, at 5:21 PM, Alex Sproul <imocaves@...> wrote:

I just spent an hour composing an important message to lagging members. It was sent by going to Admin > Members and checking the appropriate members, then using Send Message to create. But when I clicked on Send to Members, poof, all my work disappeared into the ether. It didn't go to anybody, and I didn't get my own bcc. What's wrong here? Do I want to spend another hour recreating my message? Why can't I see any of my moderator messages to individuals? Only via bcc's?
I think that happens to most people at one time or another, sometimes it was my fault, other times something in the technology goes wrong - either way it's lost. :-(

I avoid it by composing offline (and saving frequently) in a simple ASCII (I guess it's now called UTF-8) document, such as Mac's TextEdit plain text (not Rich Text Format). When my message is ready, I copy and paste (not drag and drop) it into an email (or website email form) and then send. I'm not sure but I think the Windows/PC equivalent is NotePad.

Copying and pasting from other (more sophisticated?) word-processing applications as strange corruptions can occur due to non-compatible Special Character and formatting coding.


Re: Vanishing email

 

And yes, the Discard button is smaller than Reply, as well as a different color. I'm pretty sure I didn't miss my target.


Re: Vanishing email

 

Thanks, Bruce; good to hear from you; I figured you'd jump right in. :^)? I did look for a draft. No joy.
Thanks, Chris. I also did look at the Activity Log. No luck there, either.
And thanks, Bob. I had already considered, based on this and previous experiences with both groups.io and Yahoo, that future messages will be composed in Word and pasted in. I am incredulous that groups.io does not save any PMs.


Re: Adding a group of members to multiple subgroups at one time

 

any chance there is a bulk add to subgroups for the free version?


Re: Vanishing email

 

Early on at groups.io I had a couple of long messages disappear.
The experience taught me to compose them off line, e.g. notpad or Word or? equivalent and to then copy/paste to groups.io.
I? have cured that problem
btw? this seems to happen with other online editors occasionally? also
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Re: Vanishing email

 

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:23 PM, Alex Sproul wrote:
It didn't go to anybody, and I didn't get my own bcc. What's wrong here?
Check the Activity Log just to see if it was sent or not, assuming you haven't looked there already.

Did you perhaps click on Discard by mistake?

Chris


Re: Vanishing email

 

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 05:23 PM, Alex Sproul wrote:
I just spent an hour composing an important message to lagging members. It was sent by going to Admin > Members and checking the appropriate members, then using Send Message to create. But when I clicked on Send to Members, poof, all my work disappeared into the ether. It didn't go to anybody, and I didn't get my own bcc. What's wrong here? Do I want to spend another hour recreating my message?
Alex -- If you browse away from the editor, groups.io automatically saves your message as a draft. So the first thing to do is check the left-side menu bar for a message Draft. If present, you should be able to reopen that draft and send it.

If not, I don't know. I have noticed that the Discard button is directly adjacent to the Send to Members button. A good suggestion for improvement would be to move them to opposite sides of the screen.

Why can't I see any of my moderator messages to individuals? Only via bcc's?
Generally speaking groups.io does not save any private messages.?

Good luck,
Bruce
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Vanishing email

 

I just spent an hour composing an important message to lagging members. It was sent by going to Admin > Members and checking the appropriate members, then using Send Message to create. But when I clicked on Send to Members, poof, all my work disappeared into the ether. It didn't go to anybody, and I didn't get my own bcc. What's wrong here? Do I want to spend another hour recreating my message? Why can't I see any of my moderator messages to individuals? Only via bcc's?


Re: Markdown is not rendered online #markdown

 

Hi Shal,

But if I create a new message by sending an email, the markdown is not properly rendered ( example ( /g/lfortran/message/3 ) ).

Is there a way to enable markdown to always render, no matter if the message was created online or from an email?

I don't think so, not in general. There is a hint of maybe if you use the right email client in Mark's reply to my message, beta #1299 ( ) , so many years ago. Also there was this request ( beta #6155 ( ) ). Those topics are locked now, but you could always bring it up again in beta.

There's also Markdown Here ( ) , which handles the conversion from markdown to HTML before you send the message, basically the same thing the Groups Web Poster does. I don't know if it has kept up with the changes in how Firefox/Thunderbird plugins work though.

Thanks for the reply. Just to clarify, I disabled html email in my group, as I only want plain text emails. Yes, email clients can be configured to display markdown plain text emails as rendered in html. The issue that I am raising is that I would like the groups.io web interface to also render such markdown plain text emails properly.

I will ask at beta.

Thanks, Ondrej


Re: Markdown is not rendered online #markdown

 

Ond?ej,

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But if I create a new message by sending an email, the markdown is not properly rendered (example).

Is there a way to enable markdown to always render, no matter if the message was created online or from an email?

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I don't think so, not in general. There is a hint of maybe if you use the right email client in Mark's reply to my message, , so many years ago. Also there was this request (). Those topics are locked now, but you could always bring it up again in beta.
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There's also , which handles the conversion from markdown to HTML before you send the message, basically the same thing the Groups Web Poster does. I don't know if it has kept up with the changes in how Firefox/Thunderbird plugins work though.
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Shal
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Markdown is not rendered online #markdown

 

Hi,

I am new to groups.io. When I create a new message online, the markdown is properly rendered (example). But if I create a new message by sending an email, the markdown is not properly rendered (example).

Is there a way to enable markdown to always render, no matter if the message was created online or from an email?

Thanks, Ondrej