As of this morning when I logged in I get the Feed as my default view of my groups.? I do not? like this view and want to know how I can get the view that MY Groups will give me which is how things used to work.

Dale Gloer

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 08:15 AM, Ullman Garrett wrote:

As I understand it, the option that only moderators can create hashtags is only effective if you check the box all messages must have hashtag.

Is this correct?

No, one of the options on the Settings page, under Message Policies, is Hashtag Permissions.? Setting that to "Posts by subscribers can only be tagged with existing hashtags, otherwise the message is bounced." will enforce using only hashtags that have been predefined by a mod/owner.? You could also choose "Posts by subscribers can only be tagged with existing hashtags, new hashtags will be removed.", but that probably isn't what you want.

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 03:53 AM, Denny G. wrote:

Maybe a little instruction via a "sticky note" on your group will fix that one. Just a thought ...

...which I'mafraid to say is (IMHO) flawed, for a number of reasons.

IME the majority of acitivity by subscibers is posting (and reading posts) by email, and this seems to be particularly true of new members. As a result they do not see sticky notes (sticky posts) or sticky wikis and the like. The Welcome notice we send from the group I moderate suggests that new subscribers "have a look round", but they appear not to bother. We also specifically ask that they "sign" their posts but many don't and they are surprised when we reject their posts for that reason. Some are persistent offenders.

As a result, when they do try to use the web UI for something, they are unfamiliar with it, having passed up the suggestion that they try to familiarise themselves with it. Now having sorted out our Photos section based on the "old" defaults, it is absurd to suggest that as and when queries arise we should have to deal with them individually, simply because the subs concerned didn't bother to "have a look around". Now I suppose I could put out a post (even as a Special Notice) about this and other changes (e.g. the new "Feed" page) but from past experience most subs will not react to it for the simple reason that they will take the view "it doesn't apply to me right now". None of the above would apply if (a) the default had not been changed at a "corporate" level, or (b) Group Managers could set a "Group Default".?

Shal summed it up best by pointing to the Principle of Least Astonishment. I might go as far as to suggest that recent changes have ignored this (I include the new Feed Page) and is IMHO a dangerous precedent.

Chris

Hi Doug,

Will you be able to transfer our details, seeing that technically we
have no owner - only a moderator??

I'm just a user of Groups.io, so I can't do anything beyond try to give you good advice.

Whether you and/or your co-moderator will be able to use the Easy Group Transfer function will depend on circumstances, as I mentioned before. If you can't recover access to your account as group owner, and he doesn't have the requisite privileges, then no: you'll be stuck copying anything you want copied "by hand".

How do you and I get into direct contact with each other?

I see (from your offlist reply) that you found my offlist message to you. So we're good.

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Pamela,

I have invited someone to join one of my groups but every time she
tries to accept the invitation I get the following message in the
Activity log.
Non-member .........@... attempted to send message
"Invitation to join the [email protected] group" via email

This indicates that her reply to the Invitation went to the group's posting address, rather than the +accept address.

What are we doing wrong??

You, nothing.

Her, probably nothing.

If she is doing nothing more than using the Reply feature in her email interface, then the problem is that she's using a defective email interface -- it is ignoring the Reply-To header field, and sending her acceptance to the From (group's posting) address. This has cropped up before, especially with mobile interfaces.

If it is convenient for her, she should try accepting the invitation using an email interface on a different device. Or she may try using the link inside the invitation instead of replying to the invitation.

By the way, if your group has its Reply To set to "Group", she may find that her attempts to reply to group postings using this device likewise go awry - either to the sender only or to an invalid email address. For the same reason.

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On 25/03/2019 13:32, Shal Farley wrote:

It sounds like the only two things you'd want the Easy Group Transfer function to handle are the Members list and the Photos. If we can arrange that it will save substantial effort for you versus manually copying them, particularly if your Yahoo group has more than 1000 members.

Hi Shal.

I'll get in touch with my co-moderator shortly (like a day or so), and see what his current feelings are.

Will you be able to transfer our details, seeing that technically we have no owner - only a moderator?? This is why I was talking about opening an io Group, and simply abandoning yahoo.

I'll give you the objects of the group, and our topic - which is quite an ordinary one - among fellow collectors. It's very fraternal. In 18 years, I've only blocked one member who was having personal problems, being on medication, and making things a bit difficult for the others. He came right, and was re-admitted.

We only have 165 members at this time, this being a fairly specialised group. I unsubscribed members who have been out of touch - some for a number of years, or not taking postings - late last year, so it is fairly up-to-date.

How do you and I get into direct contact with each other? I put my email address in my last post, but the moderator redacted it.

I greatly appreciate what you are offering to do for us. Many Thanks.

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I have invited someone to join one of my groups but every time she tries to accept the invitation I get the following message in the Activity log.
Non-member .........@... attempted to send message "Invitation to join the [email protected] group" via email

What are we doing wrong?? ?I've had no problem with any of the others that have been invited to join.

Thanks in advance,
Pamela

Okay, IMHO, feel that anytime you have to develop a "workaround" to compensate for the way software was written is "nuts". And, that is what appears some have done to get around the old PHOTOS default selection. I was about to do that too, when I thought, "Wouldn't it be easier just to change how the software works?", and chimed-in on that suggestion in beta.

I'm truly sorry for those who already had developed a workaround labeling system for their folders ... and for those who can't figure out how to work the drop-down selection system in your group. Maybe a little instruction via a "sticky note" on your group will fix that one. Just a thought ...
Best regards, Dennis

Hello

Our group just received its first e-mail with attachments, and the attachments are linked to at the bottom of the e-mail, like thus:

Attachments:
Copyright Article.pdf: /g/zalang/attachment/64461/0
Infographic - Copyright Amendment Bill March 2019 (5)_10.pdf:

/g/zalang/attachment/64461/1

NOVUS_Mail__Guardian_2019-03-15_NTEzMjA3NTca_1376.pdf:

/g/zalang/attachment/64461/2

When I click a link, my browser prompts me to save the file with the name "0", "1" or "2", instead of the attachments' actual names. This is a bit annoying for me personally, but I can imagine it must be frustrating for non-geek users who don't know about file extensions, since file "0" etc. won't show up as a PDF file on their Desktop.

What can be done about this, and/or what causes it?

I use Thunderbird and Opera. Copy/pasting the link in the browser doesn't change this behaviour.

When I visit the actual message, then I can download the attachments using their actual names by clicking on the attachment icons, so that's one workaround, I suppose.

Thanks
Samuel

Tony,

any chance or arrangement that ccml can be integrated to HTML5?

I'm not sure what you mean by integration with HTML5. Is this in regard
to your prior question about WeChat, or is this something different?
/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/18060771

If you're asking specifically about being able to embed audio or video in the group's Description, Messages, and/or Wiki pages I don't think that is currently possible.

A request to add HTML5 specific features to the editing tools for Groups.io pages is something that would have to be posted in Groups.io's "suggestion box", the beta group:


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all:

This is Tony from HK, n pls appologize if I am asking a question that may had been answered before ,?
ie with the potentially uprising of H5 (HTML5)in China, any chance or arrangement that ccml can be integrated to HTML5??
Tony ngai
ccml?
Hong Kong

Hi Doug,

This conversation should now go off-group ...

Ok. I'll follow-up offlist regarding your Yahoo account.

However, I think we will be beating our heads against the wall, trying
to move the group any further. It will be abandoned.

It sounds like the only two things you'd want the Easy Group Transfer function to handle are the Members list and the Photos. If we can arrange that it will save substantial effort for you versus manually copying them, particularly if your Yahoo group has more than 1000 members.

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On 25/03/2019 08:29, Shal Farley wrote:

I'd like to explore this a bit further, but that would be a conversation better suited to the Yahoo Groups version of GMF: Or we could just take it off-list if you'd rather not subscribe to another group just for that.

Hi Shal.

Thanks for your interest in this saga.

> ... but I doubt that he could sign me in and then promote me to owner,
> not being one himself.
No, not owner. That's the one thing a moderator, no matter what privileges you give them, cannot do.

This conversation should now go off-group - my email is [redacted by moderator]

Several people told me that the co-moderator could reintroduce me as owner, but I knew that would not be possible.

However, I think we will be beating our heads against the wall, trying to move the group any further. It will be abandoned.

After all this time, I'm getting very fed up with the way it has gone. I'm too old for all this nonsense, so yahoo is out. I plan to contact the co-moderator, and we'll get started on a group in io.

I'll get the photographs downloaded - fortunately, I did them all last year, as a precaution for a happening like this, but there will be some new ones which I won't be able access.

The text postings are not worth downloading.

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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 04:36 PM, Chris Jones wrote:.

What if the original default was by date and you needed it by title?? Would that be onerous to explain to members how to take a click on one pull-down??

See above.

You’ve dodged the question. If it is so onerous to explain to peeps NOW how to change the display, you would need to have lived with “date” and had non functioning albums, correct? There’s no way that so many peeps could have be told how to change the default to “title” so that your formatting works.?

AND FURTHER, it date was the only option you (and rightfully others) would obviously ask that a “by title” function be implemented. BUT for heavens sake, don’t change the default to the better (in your groups’ opinion) “title” because everyone is used to (by your group standard) the “inferior” default? ?You would need to repeatably explain to peeps how to make one click so the album formatting “works.”?

By that standard ANY desirable function cannot be implemented as “default” because it changes what the masses are used to seeing. ?

Theres battles led worth fighting and ones that ?(IMHO) are just silly.?

What will you do about peeps that are NEW joins - ?are they so dysfunctional that they cannot be told how to make one click? ?I read that it’s no so much that the default was changed, as much as it is that the default isn’t what you peeps might prefer.?

I DO AGREE it’s best to have a group option, but in the meantime it’s not fatal.


[mod note: I think this argument has gone beyond being a battle worth fighting. We'll see if Mark chooses to roll back the change of default or not.]

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 04:47 PM, rgaige2@... wrote:

I would like to know if there is a

way to set?my I O Groups so

we do not archive messages.

No, there's not.? There's an undocumented page where you can easily delete entire topics quite quickly.? /g/groupname/topics-test (replace groupname with the name of your group.? Be very careful using that page because when something is deleted, it's gone.? This has been discussed before, both here and on the beta group (the official suggestion box for the site.)? You may find additional information by looking through the archives of either or both groups.? Since the main purpose of a group is to have archives, I doubt that the capability of not archiving will be implemented any time soon.

There are group mailing list programs available to do the sort of thing you want to accomplish.? Each person could still have a personal archive, but nothing would be stored collectively for access by others.

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Good afternoon, ? I would like to know if there is a way to set?my I O Groups so we do not archive messages. If there is would you please tell me how to do this.? If not how can I delete the messages that are archived there.. Google I have one that I own too and the messages are archived there too. I own 3 groups and mod 3 groups. Any help would be so appreciated. Thank You so much. ? Submitted Respectfully, Beck

Jim,

... or Shal's "least astonishment" ...

I can't claim credit for the phrase.


I used it in beta specifically because I knew Mark would know exactly what that means. A subtle comment to the casual reader, but a sledgehammer to him and other UI designers.

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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 02:31 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:

Is posting a msg to the group a real issue?

I don't think so.? The real issue appears to be that it needs to be done at all.? It was supposedly changed to accommodate 'less computer-savvy' users.? Now the same problem exists, only reversed.

You're not restoring any order, just displaying different options.? Do you need to send out instructions how to change the msg display from earliest to newest first?

Yes, he would be restoring it to his carefully orchestrated arrangement.? If you have only computer familiar members, you're lucky.? Many folks need instructions for something that 'simple' and still get it wrong.

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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 08:23 PM, Jim Higgins wrote:

The goal should be minimal impact on those who don't care about, or aren't actively involved in pushing the change.

Well said, Sir; very well said.

Chris