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Is there any way to resend the "Confirm your [address] email address" message?

I'm the owner of a group that requires moderator approval of membership requests.? On my "Pending Approval" membership list there is someone listed with the "NC" (Not Confirmed) tag.? It has been several days now, and I suspect they may have lost the message with its individualized confirmation reply address (and its similarly individualized confirmation web link).? Is there any way to resend this message?? Note that this is not the same as the "Pending Membership Notice" which can be resent.

I came across (from 2016) which implies that it is possible to resend this confirmation notice, but in 2018 it is not an option on my owner's Pending Approval "Actions" menu.

If the applicant has indeed lost the original confirmation message with its individualized links, what is their best recourse?? Can I do anything as the owner to confirm the subscriber?

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Rob,

*2. Profile Fields.* The next thing I wanted was control over
profile fields.

Groups.io generally takes the view that the member's profile is his/hers to control. Even the ability to edit their Display Name is relatively recent.

Members control their profile through their Account's Identity page. There they can edit an Account Profile which provides default content for all of their group subscriptions. While there they can also edit the Profile shown in individual groups. Each profile has a Profile Privacy control which allows the member to control who can see that profile.

A member can also edit the profile for a given group through the Group Profile tab of their Subscription page.

*3. Member Directory. *

I originally hoped to be able to display any of the profile fields I
had added in any order

You can build a "directory" like that in the Database section, but as you already noted there's no way to tie that to subscription or profile information. So you or the members would have to populate the fields of their row explicitly.

Once long ago I suggested providing a directory-like feature by being able to tie a database table to the the Members list. That was kind of a toss-off at the bottom of a message, but you could resurrect the idea with a more fully-formed proposal as a fresh topic in the suggestion box:

... I know I can't be the only one who considers the directory to be
an integral part of the community.

You're not.

You could suggest that the Profile Privacy control be added to the group's Default Sub Settings page, so that you could change the default to "Other members of your group" (probably not "Public").

And/Or suggest that an "All Subscribers Visible" option be added to the Member Directory control (in the Privacy section of the group's Settings page).


Meanwhile you have the bully pulpit of being group moderator/owner to encourage your group members to participate in the group's Directory, such as it is.

Shal


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JMichaelTX,

Shal, it is now one YEAR later, and the JXA Resources page still
does NOT show up in a Google search.

I find it. But only by doing an exact search for phrases copied from it, such as "post in a topic to the JXA group with a hashtag of #wiki".

Shal


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On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 06:26 PM, JMichaelTX wrote:

Thanks for sharing this file. I've got your file, but how do I use it / apply it to my groups.io sub-group wiki?

You should probably read that entire thread.

When I use the raw html editor and save my work, groups.io strips many inline style definitions that I feel are totally benign. Rumor has it that groups.io itself is using this style sheet, so try applying some of the style definitions in that file to your own html and see if they work in your wiki. I personally never got around to that and am intrigued to hear your results.

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On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 05:37 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

GMF's Wiki is public and can be found in Google searches. So it isn't a general problem with Groups.io Wikis. Maybe with subgroup Wikis, I've just created one in a test group to see if it can be found. I haven't yet taken any measures (below) to call it to the attention of the search spiders. I'll let some time elapse first to see if it is found without such prompting.

Shal, it is now one YEAR later, and the JXA Resources page still does NOT show up in a Google search.

Any ideas?

Comes up as the second hit for me:


Best,

Glenn

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 05:37 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

GMF's Wiki is public and can be found in Google searches. So it isn't a general problem with Groups.io Wikis. Maybe with subgroup Wikis, I've just created one in a test group to see if it can be found. I haven't yet taken any measures (below) to call it to the attention of the search spiders. I'll let some time elapse first to see if it is found without such prompting.

Shal, it is now one YEAR later, and the JXA Resources page still does NOT show up in a Google search.

Any ideas?

Don,

My group just recently experienced a large number of members who are
bouncing; /all on the same date October 10th/.

What Duane said.

Have you looked at the "Recent Bounces" on the Email Delivery History tab of those members' pages in the Members list? The bounce reason stated by their email service may be informative.

Another Interesting bit of information; Yahoo groups shows no bouncing
to the same goups.io members.

Even if those members are being sent messages from Y!Groups, their bounce tracking has been unreliable at best over the last couple of years. There are both kinds of errors: good addresses that haven't been removed from bouncing status and bad addresses that haven't been added to it.

There's also a possibility that Y!Group messages were "whitelisted" against whatever caused the the bouncing of the Groups.io messages. That's where the exact response code and text might be informative.

It might be a good Idea for Mark to contact ATT and Yahoo to see if he
can have them correct this issue.

I believe he does track deliverability issues with the various receiving services, so if that was a widespread event he's probably aware of it.

For What It's Worth I don't any members from either service listed as bouncing recently in GMF's Member Activity log, but that's a relatively small sample (10 att.net and 124 yahoo.com members).

Shal


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On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 08:03 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

It now resides in the GMF files area alongside the original.

Thanks for sharing this file. I've got your file, but how do I use it / apply it to my groups.io sub-group wiki?

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 04:34 PM, Duane wrote:

Have you set your Account > Preferences, Editor Preference to Markdown?

Yes, of course. Else I would NOT get a table at all using MD code. I get a table, just without any borders.

Ken,

I believe it’s not so much what Outlook requires, as it is what the
outgoing email server (in my case imap.aol.com) wants to see.

For DMARC-related issues this is correct. Sending services can publish (via the DNS system) policy guidance that receiving services may use whenever they receive a message that has that sender's domain in the From information, yet was delivered to the receiver by some other service (such as a mailing list).

When Groups.io receives an inbound group posting it checks the published policy of the sender, and if it is "quarantine" or "reject" Groups.io rewrites the From address so that it has groups.io as the domain, in place of the sender domain. That helps to ensure that receiving members' services deliver the message to Inboxes, rather than Spam or rejecting (bouncing) them. That's because messages that are delivered by a server owned by the domain given in the From address are, generally speaking, regarded as less "spammy" than messages that are delivered by an unrelated server.

That said, Outlook and some other services have their own issues with receiving messages that have traveled through mailing lists, especially messages from their own domain. A message claiming to be from their domain that arrives from an external source (e.g. a mailing list) is automatically suspect in their eyes.

I used to use totally POP email on Outlook with my AOL addresses, ...
so switched to imap ...That’s when I noticed I couldn’t use the alias
<ken@weekendrproducts>, I must use <weekendrproducts@...

If you are talking about messages you send I think the switch from POP to IMAP was coincidental. Those protocols are only used when you fetch messages from your email service; when you post you're using SMTP in either case.

If you're talking about how you see messages you receive from the group, that's sounds odd but I suppose not impossible. I would expect your receiving service to apply the OBO rewriting regardless of whether you view the message through their web interface, a POP client, or an IMAP client.

Unless it is your client software doing the OBO rewrite. I suppose that too is possible.

Shal


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Have you set your Account > Preferences, Editor Preference to Markdown?? If so, then I can't think of a reason it shouldn't work.

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Loopy,

This morning I sent email to my group using a different email address
(gmail) and it still came through with 'Loopy via groups.io'

I'd have to see the entire From field from the header to understand this. My experience is that messages posted from gmail addresses don't have any rewriting of their From field.

I can understand it being the email provider in one case but in both
email providers? Other people in the group don't have these issues
...

Do you mean that you received the message and looked at it in two different email providers? it is always possible that your email provider is rewriting the From field on messages received from lists for its own reasons.

The fact that other members of your group are not having the issue tends to point a finger at your receiving email service / user interface.

Shal


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i don’t know if this makes sense, is correct, clarifies, or confuses things, but it’s what I posted later in reply to the original question?


I believe it’s not so much what Outlook requires, as it is what the outgoing email server (in my case?) wants to see.

I seem to be unable to create a Markdown table that shows table/cell borders, as shown in this guide:

Here is an example:

First Header	Second Header
Content Cell	Content Cell
Content Cell	Content Cell

Also, notice how the table headers run together. How do I fix this?

<br. Any ideas/suggestions?

On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 02:15 PM, Don Clark wrote:

Is this a competitive?restriction by Yahoo and ATT against Groups.io?

I seriously doubt it.? They're probably not even aware that Groups.io exists.? It's just something that seems to happen regularly with those services.? I'd say about 50% of the time, things start working again before the members go to Bounced (red) status, possibly a bit more.

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On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 02:16 PM, Paige Loter wrote:

Two days ago my calendar events disappeared from google on my computer but not on my phone or on ical.

That would make me think that Google is 'improving' things again.? They've changed things before that have caused problems for Groups.io.

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Thank you,?Toby. I have used the wiki to help many people subscribe to the calendar. It works fine. Except for the Android users.?

My calendar setting is already at "Subscribers can view, moderators can edit"

I realize that cozi and google and ical will receive the same ics file and handle it differently, but I'm wondering if there is some reason why some events show up and others do not. Have we set something on those specific events to make them not appear or appear? I can't figure out what it would be since they were all entered by the same person in the same way.?

All members of my group that have tried have been able to successfully subscribe to the calendar either with google or ical... except the android users. There are a couple of them. I will check that they have settings on their end to enable sync and viewing.?

Regarding the google refresh, I had my calendar subscribed on google and ical. Both working fine. Two days ago my calendar events disappeared from google on my computer but not on my phone or on ical. I did not change anything. I tried removing the calendar and resubscribing. It appears on the left as one of my calendars but it is empty. What's going on? It was working fine a couple of days ago and I haven't changed anything?

Paige

My group just?recently?experienced a large number of members who are bouncing;?all on the same date October?10th.
The total number of bouncing members was 28.

It is most interesting that of the 28, ATT was the email service provider for 4, and 21 was to a Yahoo address.
I have noticed that ATT is still handling email sent to Yahoo addresses.

Another Interesting bit?of information; Yahoo groups shows no bouncing to the same goups.io members.

Is this a competitive?restriction by Yahoo and ATT against Groups.io?

Don Clark

It might be a good Idea for Mark to contact ATT and Yahoo to see if he can have them correct this issue.?

Paige,
There is some info here ->?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Sync-with-your-Google-Calendar
Be sure to check the visibility of your calendar in Admin -> Settings


Groups.io provides an ics file (feed.ics) via a custom URL.? The ics file contains the events in your group calendar.? What the client (user's calendar program) does with those events is the client's responsibility.
There is no mechanism for groups.io to push new/updated events to the client, the client can only poll the server to see if the feed.ics file contains new contents.? Google seems to poll daily.
I use Google calendar and an android phone (8.0.1) and can view group events on my PC and phone calendars.? Also check calendar settings to ensure that the subscribed calendar is enabled for sync and viewing (checkboxes in both cases).
Some (on google forums) have reported that the refresh is not too reliable and the only workaround I'm aware of is to remove and re-add the calendar. YMMV.
Thanks.
Toby

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Non members are not allowed?access in my groups either. But all members in the group should be able to vote because the group was set up so members are unable to post to the group except for the handful that offer tag offers in the group. The other members would have nothing to offer to the group. ? ? ? ? ? ?