Re: Reply-To: in messages
Received from David M at 7/10/2018 09:10 AM UTC: The reason for using Reply-To: is that most of the members just reply to messages, even when the content of the message states to contact someone else. Reply-To: takes it out of their hands.
David In that EXACT situation --- responders being clearly told in every message to reply to Person X, and only Person X's email address is in this "Reply-to:" that you want to add --- the "Reply-to:" you want wouldn't be a problem. HOWEVER... a potential problem arises when Groups.io makes this facility available to people who don't make it clear that a response won't go to the location that responders expect it to go. That creates the potential for abuse. There's no need to create this potential when there are other ways --- admittedly less convenient --- to forward this email. Or perhaps Person X could send the announcements in the first place and you could set the group to reply only to the OP (Person X). Was this abused on Y!? I can say from personal experience that abuse was attempted, but failed due to the responders being situationally aware. Jim H
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Re: Can I transfer a Yahoo Group I don't own or moderate?
Right now I am not having problems with Y groups
They seem to be working fine, however I started the transfer process with 3 of my groups. 2 are already on IO and?then I will have 2 more?Y groups to transfer.
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The only thing that is bad about Y groups at the moment is there is no support or if there is they don't get back to you. ?I believe it has to do with the whole Oath thing.......... Verizon taking over AOL and Yahoo. I heard AOL is worse then it ever was.
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Date: 7/9/2018 11:52:23 PM
Subject: [GMF] Can I transfer a Yahoo Group I don't own or moderate?
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Also a good point.? And from what I hear, Yahoo is going downhill on a very fast bobsled.
Ellen
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Another way to approach this problem is: what are the criteria for io to decide if the yahoogroup name I enter for a transfer is valid or not? Are these criteria detailed somewhere? Is this group name field case-sensitive?
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Hi Bruce, I've been using one email address only, all the time, and there are no pending transfers. There's no reasonable explanation for the error message.
Kind regards,
Heijo
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Re: Reply-To: in messages
Received from Shal Farley at 7/9/2018 07:33 AM UTC:
David,
In Yahoo Groups, I could put a Reply-To: header in the message I sent, and when people replied, it would go to that address. I thought I knew Y!Groups inside and out, but this is a new one on me. I don't know if there may be some combinations of settings that prevents this from working, but it has worked for all my old Y! groups for many years.
It may be useful for those with good intentions, but it's a bad thing because it overrides the settings the Owner/Moderator thought he was making when deciding whether responses should be directed to the group or to the author being replied to. And - as one example - imagine engaging (foolishly) in a "candid" discussion about your boss and then have someone set the boss as the "Reply-to:" address. You too seem to have overlooked that this is an announcement group. Only the admin can send messages to it, and any replies go only to the admin. If the admin chooses to add a Reply-To: for an individual message, this is a good thing, because it saves him/her having to forward all the incoming replies to someone else. I'm glad Groups.io inserts a "Reply-to:" header that I assume overwrites any "Reply-to:" a sender may insert. But it doesn't always! Look at the headers. In the context of discussion groups where the Owner is given a setting to determine reply-to behavior, the Yahoo behavior is "broken." I'd hope Groups.io never considers implementing it. As I said, this is an announcement group... David
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Re: Reply-To: in messages
David, Seems to me that you are acting as a message relay for your announcement-only group. So you get an email from some other organization and then post it to your group - but you don't want any replies. Not at all. I am a person who sends announcements. Some of those announcements relate to other people, and they are the ones who need to see the replies. Have you looked at the Email integration feature which would allow you to create a receive-only email address that posts to your group? You subscribe the receive-only email address to the other org's mail list and Boom! you're out of the relay business... This would work if you want to relay all emails from the org's mail list to the group and it's okay for the group members to deal with the announcement and contact the other org without doing a reply to the announcement email. You could put a message in the footer reminding them. What you are proposing is a discussion group afaics, but more complicated. It would also be open to spamming I imagine. The reason for using Reply-To: is that most of the members just reply to messages, even when the content of the message states to contact someone else. Reply-To: takes it out of their hands. David
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Re: Adding members who don't/can't accept invitation
Understood. I only need it for one group at the moment.
Thanks again,
Mike
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On 7/10/2018 12:50 AM, Shal Farley wrote: Mike,
> I've set up a Group Transfer membership for my group.
Note that the plan is tied to the group, not to the owner/mod who happened to pay for it.
Shal
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Re: Adding members who don't/can't accept invitation
Mike, I've set up a Group Transfer membership for my group. Note that the plan is tied to the group, not to the owner/mod who happened to pay for it. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Re: Adding members who don't/can't accept invitation
Thanks. I've set up a Group Transfer membership for my group.
-Mike
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On 7/10/2018 12:42 AM, Shal Farley wrote: Mike,
> If they are having technical difficulties, can I manually
> add them to my group? If so, how?
You can if you upgrade your group to the Premium plan. Premium (and Enterprise) groups have a Direct Add page.
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If you click the Upgrade button in the Admin set of pages that will show you the plan you're on. Click the View/Change Plan button to see what your options are. I've used the Group Transfer (Premium For One Month) plan in my PTA group to handle the influx of members every year at school registration.
Shal
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Re: Adding members who don't/can't accept invitation
Mike, If they are having technical difficulties, can I manually
add them to my group? If so, how? You can if you upgrade your group to the Premium plan. Premium (and Enterprise) groups have a Direct Add page. /static/pricingIf you click the Upgrade button in the Admin set of pages that will show you the plan you're on. Click the View/Change Plan button to see what your options are. I've used the Group Transfer (Premium For One Month) plan in my PTA group to handle the influx of members every year at school registration. Shal -- Help: /static/helpMore Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiEven More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list
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Can I transfer a Yahoo Group I don't own or moderate?
Also a good point.? And from what I hear, Yahoo is going downhill on a very fast bobsled.
Ellen
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Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2018 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Can I transfer a Yahoo Group I don't own or moderate?
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I see your point.
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But if he named the IO group the same as the Yahoo group they may move there and a whole step could be skipped.
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He could also start over to get new members - and advertise his "new" group on the many ads letters that go out. I know 3 or 4 of them. Ilene
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Re: Where are things located? Too, was just:RE: [GMF] Group Member's Reply Bouncing
Find the link at the top in the nav bar labeled ?I think ¡°admin¡± Activate that and it will expand, or should.?Then you will find the options you need
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On Jul 9, 2018, at 12:41 PM, Shal Farley < shals2nd@...> wrote:
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Re: Where are things located? Too, was just:RE: [GMF] Group Member's Reply Bouncing
Thanks very much.
I'm putting these pieces together.
I am very grateful to all.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael Pavan Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 6:38 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: Where are things located? Too, was just:RE: [GMF] Group Member's Reply Bouncing ?find the administrative pages at that time. You will be in the Settings part of the Admin section if you can go to: /g/<GroupName>/settings (replace <GroupName> with your group's name)
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Re: Where are things located? Too, was just:RE: [GMF] Group Member's Reply Bouncing
?find the administrative pages at that time. You will be in the Settings part of the Admin section if you can go to: /g/<GroupName>/settings (replace <GroupName> with your group's name)
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Re: Where are things located? Too, was just:RE: [GMF] Group Member's Reply Bouncing
I think, I have found what needs done. I just haven¡¯t exactly figured out how or I should say where to go and fix it. I think what is happening is that she is subscribed to the list via one address and replying with another. I¡¯m going to get to the bottom of this issue. Right now though I¡¯m consumed with the workmen swarming all over the street and into my yard fixing a major water break. UG? As to the address I began with, it is the address I am using now. Thanks for all your help. And. No worries about positions. I¡¯ll figure it all. I hope? There have to be people like me who don¡¯t know all they know? I hope. ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 3:41 PM
To: GMF <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Where are things located? Too, was just:RE: [GMF] Group Member's Reply Bouncing ? Patty ? I began the group. Doesn¡¯t that make me the group owner?
?Yes, but if you use more than one email address Groups.io will only recognize as owner the one you were logged in with when you created the group. Unless you went into your Groups.io account and changed your email address - then ownership goes with the new one. I only have one moderator and I marked her so after I started the group.
?So you must have been able to find the administrative pages at that time. Specifically the Membership page. As far as telling me to the left or right of something. That to me doesn¡¯t compute. Screen reader users don¡¯t see things that way.
?Oh, my apologies. I thought they had a means to convey positional information. ?I don't know how to describe it then. I believe there are other GMF members, both sighted and not, who are familiar with screen-reader interaction with Groups.io, maybe one of them will chime in. Very frustrated because it seems like something has changed since I began this list.
?Those page navigation buttons haven't changed in quite a long time now. The only thing I can think of would be if you logged in using a different email address.
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Re: Group Member's Reply Bouncing
On 09/07/18 06:48 PM, Shal Farley wrote: spelling of the group's posting address. Given that she's *replying* to a
group message I don't know how that could go wrong, but it is easy to check Some email clients to their own thing. As far as lists are concerned, one possibility is that the OP hits "reply all", but sees only the sender, so manually adds the name of the list. The other possibility is that instead going to the list, it went to the sender, and that email address bounced. jonathon
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Re: Where are things located? Too, was just:RE: [GMF] Group Member's Reply Bouncing
Thanks Bruce. I¡¯ll keep this in mind too. ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce Bowman
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 3:00 PM
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Subject: Re: Where are things located? Too, was just:RE: [GMF] Group Member's Reply Bouncing ? On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 11:49 am, Patty Fletcher wrote: I¡¯m considering unsubscribing her and having her begin at the beginning.
If she wants to use two email addresses to post to the list, it's better for her to set up one as an alias.
Once you figure out which address is actually subscribed, have her log in (see /static/help#password), find the group online, and click on the Account menu at upper right. Scroll down and click on the bar labeled Advanced Settings for Email Aliases. Enter the second email address in the box and click on Add Email Alias.
This will allow her to POST from that secondary email address without any problems. All group email will still ARRIVE at the subscribed address, however.
Hope this helps,
Bruce
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Re: Where are things located? Too, was just:RE: [GMF] Group Member's Reply Bouncing
I began the group. Doesn¡¯t that make me the group owner? I only have one moderator and I marked her so after I started the group. As far as telling me to the left or right of something. That to me doesn¡¯t compute. Screen reader users don¡¯t see things that way. But. I¡¯ll go back and look later. I used it once before I¡¯m just not seeing it now. Very frustrated because it seems like something has changed since I began this list. ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Shal Farley
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 3:04 PM
To: GMF <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Where are things located? Too, was just:RE: [GMF] Group Member's Reply Bouncing ? Patty From what I¡¯m seeing I think it is the fact that she has two similar email addresses and she is sending emails from the wrong one.
?She can confirm this for herself. At the bottom of every message she receives from the group there is a "footer" containing some useful? links. At the bottom of those, next to the unsubscribe link, is her subscribed ?email address. Normally that's the address she must post from. I¡¯m considering unsubscribing her and having her begin at the beginning.
?There are other solutions, which might be easier or better.? 1) she can change her email address, if she'd rather receive messages at the other one. 2) she can make an "alias" that allows her to post from the other one while still receiving group messages at the one she is now. I¡¯m still quite lost when I go online to the group¡¯s info etc. I have yet to find the adman section even after I log in.
?The vertical column of buttons on the left of the group's web pages includes one named Admin, and it opens up to show buttons for the administrative pages of your group. If you're logged in, and visiting your group's pages, and you still do not find the Admin button, that likely means that you've logged in using an email address that is different from the one which owns the group.
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