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Re: Moderation

 

Hallelujah. This looks like the problem. A lot, though not all of the topics are moderated. I can see how to unmoderate them topic by topic, but is there a way to do them all? I had topics over a certain number of days checked. I have now unchecked that as well. (I think I thought that had to be checked so I¡¯d been gradually increasing the number of days.)

Many thanks for all the efforts people have been making, I think I am almost there!

Elizabeth

On 29 Mar 2018, at 21:18, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Have you inadvertently moderated threads? Check for gavel icons in Topics view. Are you using hashtags that were inadvertently edited to moderate their threads?


Re: Anyone else experiencing missing digests?

 

The ISP providing their email service (for the IEEE) is Telstra, the biggest Australian ISP. Of digests 200 - 294, 271, 288 and 289 were not delivered. They also missed 1 digest on another group.io group they are on. Googling, Telstra do sometimes block certain domains.

Noel


Re: Can someone explain to me... unsubscribed for marking a message as spam

 

I have added a list of Service Providers with which Groups.io is known or believed to operate FBLs to the draft wiki.?

/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Removed-for-spam

The sources for the list were posts on this and the beta group, with the arguable exception of rocketmail; its inclusion seemed logical given its ultimate ownership.(Being in the UK my knowledge of US and other worldwide SPs is rather incomplete.)

If any members of this group have personal knowledge of other SPs operating FBLs then please edit the list accordingly; the most likely source is anecdotal evidence based on Owners & Moderators seeing members unceremoniously removed from groups they operate.

I am still awaiting details of the amended "notice to members", but hope of seeing a copy is beginning to fade.

Regards,

Chris


Re: Moderation

J_Catlady
 

Shal,

Those aren¡¯t quibbles. We are 100% on the same page.

On Mar 29, 2018, at 11:47 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

J,

A couple quibbles:

She also says (2) is not the case ...
She did say that 2 is not the case.

(she has checked her settings and claims the group is set to NuM(1)).
That's irrelevant. Moderated and New Users Moderated are independent checkboxes - they could both be checked.

And (3) can't be the case because she complains that although her
group is set to NuM(1), the same members' posts continue to come up
for approval.
That would happen if "Unmoderate After" were left set to "Not enabled" (or if she were wrong about 1 or 2). However her opening post implies that it is set to "1 approved post".

Anyway, one purpose of my screenshots is to make sure we're all talking the same language, but another is to see if that prompts anything in Elizabeth's memory (or causes double-checking) that might falsify any of the claims made so far.

Shal


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Re: Moderation

 

J,

A couple quibbles:

She also says (2) is not the case ...
She did say that 2 is not the case.

(she has checked her settings and claims the group is set to NuM(1)).
That's irrelevant. Moderated and New Users Moderated are independent checkboxes - they could both be checked.

And (3) can't be the case because she complains that although her
group is set to NuM(1), the same members' posts continue to come up
for approval.
That would happen if "Unmoderate After" were left set to "Not enabled" (or if she were wrong about 1 or 2). However her opening post implies that it is set to "1 approved post".

Anyway, one purpose of my screenshots is to make sure we're all talking the same language, but another is to see if that prompts anything in Elizabeth's memory (or causes double-checking) that might falsify any of the claims made so far.

Shal


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Re: Moderation

J_Catlady
 

In other words, sans the screenshots, the only situations in which posts require moderation are?

(1) the member is moderated
(2) the group as a whole is moderated
(3) the members are NuM (temporarily moderated)
(4) the topic being posting in is moderated.

Elizabeth swears on a metaphorical stack of bibles that (1) is not the case (I assume there's no "M" next to these members' names). She also says (2) is not the case (she has checked her settings and claims the group is set to NuM(1)). And (3) can't be the case because she complains that although her group is set to NuM(1), the same members' posts continue to come up for approval.

So if all of that is correct, the only possibility left is (4): the topics are moderated, either (a) through directly having been set to "moderated," or (b) having been indirectly set to "moderated" through use of a moderation-coded hashtag. If (a), a gavel will show up next to the topic in the topics view. However, the gavel doesn't show up in case (b). But if there are any hashtags on the thread, you would just check those.
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Re: Moderation

 
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Elizabeth,

Except that that doesn¡¯t explain why people I know have posted many times on the Yahoo group and are not listed as moderated on groups.io, including myself, are being moderated now. They were not being moderated on yahoo.

Well, this isn't rocket science, so absent some glitch in the system we should be able to figure this out if we take it step at a time.

There are two primary controls over whether a member's messages are moderated: The member's Posting Privileges, and the group's Moderated checkbox.

First the Posting Privileges,
found at the very bottom of each member's page in the Members list:

If one of the Override's is selected that control's the member's posting. I recommend that you set the members you wish to be unmoderated to Default group policy, as shown above. I generally do not recommend that members be set to Override: not moderated, except possibly for a few highly trusted members.

For those members set to Default group policy the next relevant control is the group's Moderated checkbox, found on the group's Settings page:


You want the Moderated checkbox to be unchecked, as shown, for normal circumstances in your group. If a flame war or other disturbance happens in your group you can check that box to moderate the group until the disturbance is under control.

To satisfy the Spam Control criteria, at least one of the other checkboxes in this section must be checked. Generally a group would choose between Restricted Membership or New Users Moderated.

That? covers normal circumstances. There are a few other cases, but those are unusual in most groups.

The group may allow non-subscribers to post to the group, found just below the Spam Control section in the group's Settings page:


As it says, if this is checked posts from
email addresses not listed in the Members list are always moderated, regardless of other settings. If unchecked those messages are rejected.

A moderator may set a particular topic to be moderated, this is found in the More menu under any message in the topic:


This is a handy way of quelling an out-of-control topic, or one that is likely to generate controversy, without resorting to moderation for all messages (the Moderated checkbox, described above). Such topics are marked with that gavel icon, as J described.

Finally (I think), a moderator can create or edit a Hashtag to have it cause messages in a topic with that hashtag to be moderated, this is found on the Edit Hashtag page:

It can be handy to have such a hashtag in the group. It allows someone who knows that the topic they wish to post might be controversial to cause their first post in the topic to be moderated. That gives moderators a pre-emptive ability to approve or reject the topic even when the posting member is not normally moderated.

Shal


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Re: Daily Digest Problem #issue

 

Thank you.? You have all been extremely helpful.?
Val


Re: I would like new members who have been approved to be able to post messages immediately without further approval.

 

Mike,

?? It won't let me uncheck the box? "New users moderated".? ?I have set it to unmoderated after 1 msg.? There is no option to set it to zero.

Uncheck New users moderated altogether.
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Unfortunately you're copy/paste didn't show the state of the checkboxes, but note the text at the bottom of the Spam section:

Spam Control

...

Which means you'll need to check Restricted Membership to satisfy the Spam Control criteria. That would seem to be ok given that your subject text says? "...members who have been approved..."

Don't forget the blue Update Group button at the bottom after you make the changes.

Shal


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Re: I would like new members who have been approved to be able to post messages immediately without further approval.

J_Catlady
 

We can't see from this which ones you have checked.
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Re: Importing Facebook Group info and membership list #importingdata

 

I'll actually stay with facebook as I c care less. In fact I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner.?Anyway I have over 2000 people ?my facebook, some of which are family about 500 of them and some are people I network with so leaving for me is not an option, besides I really don't give a care what happens to my data, it's ?all being ?mined and is all out there ?anyway ?and who ever finds it can easily look.
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But what the person is asking I don't think can be done, unless you do it by hand which would suck big time.

On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:43 PM, William Ll <wcarns661@...> wrote:

Sara,

?

I have a closed group setup in Facebook and when you post to the group, it puts it up on the group page and, if you are group member, you get a notice of a posting.? We have not had a lot of activity on the Facebook Group because most of our members are older and not real friendly towards Facebook. We only have 14 members in the Facebook segment of our group. Our postings do not go to individual Facebook pages.

?

Now that Facebook has become such a problem with compromised data, even those members we do have on Facebook want to leave - and I am in that group. Also, I am seriously thinking of shutting down my personal page.

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That¡¯s what I think I know.

?

Bill

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Re: I would like new members who have been approved to be able to post messages immediately without further approval.

 

Here is the "settings" page.
? ?It won't let me uncheck the box? "New users moderated".? ?I have set it to unmoderated after 1 msg.? There is no option to set it to zero.
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Spam Control

Restricted Membership

Members require approval before being allowed to join the group.

Announcement Group

Only moderators are allowed to post.

Moderated

All posts require approval before being sent to the group.

New Users Moderated

Posts from new subscribers require approval.

Unmoderate After? ?? ?? ? Not enabled ? ?? ?? ? 1 approved post ? ?? ?? ? 2 approved posts ? ?? ?? ? 3 approved posts ? ?? ?? ? 4 approved posts ?? ?? ?

Automatically unmoderate new users after N consecutive approved posts.


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Re: $$ Contributions

 

There's an item on the TODO list to allow charges via your group, , but no telling when that might happen.? For our club, I use Paypal, but another service might work better for you.

Duane
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Re: FW: Permanent Error

 

Looks to me like it was rejected by comcast, according to the details, so never got to groups.io

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Re: List of participation members? #howtoguide #membership

 

Yes, that worked.? Thanks!


$$ Contributions

 

What's the easiest mechanism to use to collect member contributions re site expenses, eg paypal or ?????


FW: Permanent Error

 

I just got rejected for not having a subject. Is that an IO deal or something I've not run into since doing Email?

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: mailer-daemon@... [mailto:mailer-daemon@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 3:36 PM
To: pkonanz@...
Subject: Permanent Error

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed permanently:

* [email protected]

Reason: Permanent Error


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Re: merging two groups (revisited)

 

I don't see why not.? There have been reports of merging Y! groups here with no problems.? The order of the messages may leave a bit to desire because of the time lag, but they should be there.

Duane
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Re: I got unsubscribed!

 

One additional bit of information before you tun into it.? The 30 day login is per device.? If you log in using your computer, it will stay for 30 days unless you log out.? If you log in on your phone or another computer a few days later, that login won't expire until 30 days from that date, but the first computer will log you out after it's original 30 days.

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Re: Member Requests support his STMP alias

 

SMTP stands for Simple Message Transport Protocol. Its basically how all email systems send messages.

The statement of groups.io not knowing what it is is a very generic statement from your user.?

I suggest you ask for more information as the fact that everyone receives their email and can reply via email to posts in their groups proves that Groups.io does understand the protocol.

What issues is the user seeing. If details are provided maybe troubleshooting is possible.