Re: Posting as Owner / Moderator
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:52 pm, Gerald Boutin wrote:
I was only referring to the original New Topic and Reply issues.
Yes. But those were never intended or expected to hide email addresses. If, however, a moderator chooses to send a New Topic from the group owner address, the email and archived message should be anonymized, as the Send Message feature allows. And it doesn't. So this does not seem to be working.
As far as the Send Message feature goes it does a better job of anonymity. It does not reveal the Owner's personal email address.?
Exactly. The New Topic (send from owner address) feature should work the same way, but does not. That's what would be expected. So that does seem like a bug.? -- J
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Re: Posting as Owner / Moderator
I was only referring to the original New Topic and Reply issues. As far as the Send Message feature goes it does a better job of anonymity. It does not reveal the Owner's personal email address. It does still show the IP address that was used. That feature seems to be working as intended.
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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 09:25 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 09:05 pm, Gerald Boutin wrote:
there are other areas that are not anonymized.?In the email, the "Reply to Sender
But those areas aren't supposed to be, and aren't assumed to be, anonymized. An email specifically from the "group owner" in the Send Message feature from a member's page was designed specifically so that the owner/moderator can be identified only in that capacity, rather than with their member identity or email address. Group messages are never assumed to be anonymous. Email addresses are not hidden in groups.io.
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Re: Posting as Owner / Moderator
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 09:05 pm, Gerald Boutin wrote:
there are other areas that are not anonymized.?In the email, the "Reply to Sender
But those areas aren't supposed to be, and aren't assumed to be, anonymized. An email specifically from the "group owner" in the Send Message feature from a member's page was designed specifically so that the owner/moderator can be identified only in that capacity, rather than with their member identity or email address. Group messages are never assumed to be anonymous. Email addresses are not hidden in groups.io. ? -- J
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Re: Posting as Owner / Moderator
There is more to it than that.?In addition to what you have seen, there are other areas that are not anonymized.?In the email, the "Reply to Sender" link identifies the poster's account email address.?The IP address of the computer that was used to generate the message is also shown in the header of the email.
I don't know that anonymity was really the point of the exercise. On the other hand, if I expected that the "Reply to Sender" link would get to all Owners, that would not happen, unless I used the "Reply to Group" link in the email.
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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 07:12 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
Shal,
I see what you mean. That's analogous to what I see. However, that is still problematic. The display name should not show up IN THE EMAIL. When I send a message to a group member from the owner address using "send message," the display name does not show up in the email.
The whole purpose of using the +owner address (at least, to my understanding) is to anonymize the message. When the display name is included - "Shal Farley" in your case - it defeats that purpose.
Messages sent from the owner address using the Send Message feature appear in emails only as coming from GroupName+owner [at] groups.io. That's what one would expect using the +owner dropdown address in New Topic. Yet instead, your display name shows up. I think this is extremely misleading to group owners who expect that by using the owner address they will be anonymized. They aren't.
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Gerald Boutin I did forward the email. It was not copied and paste. Joe Gerald Boutin
Even better if you forward the raw email including headers. Depending on your email client, the option will be something like "Show Original". Or it might be even easier just to forward the actual email rather than just copying the text. --? Gerald Boutin
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Re: Posting as Owner / Moderator
Shal,
I see what you mean. That's analogous to what I see. However, that is still problematic. The display name should not show up IN THE EMAIL. When I send a message to a group member from the owner address using "send message," the display name does not show up in the email.
The whole purpose of using the +owner address (at least, to my understanding) is to anonymize the message. When the display name is included - "Shal Farley" in your case - it defeats that purpose.
Messages sent from the owner address using the Send Message feature appear in emails only as coming from GroupName+owner [at] groups.io. That's what one would expect using the +owner dropdown address in New Topic. Yet instead, your display name shows up. I think this is extremely misleading to group owners who expect that by using the owner address they will be anonymized. They aren't.
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Re: Posting as Owner / Moderator
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 06:29 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
It actually does change the email address,
Shal, Not in the email I received in my test just before posting. The message came from my own email address, not the group owner address. ? -- J
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Right, it's not working yet. The dropdown is there (which surprised me) but unfortunately, it doesn't change the email address in the archive OR in email.
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote: After doing a bit of testing and sleuthing,?I do not see any difference in post style, etc between the two choices. As far as I can tell, the option only changes the from email address when the post is sent in email format.
It would seem the option has been around for quite some time, based on a Trello card dated January 23, 2015.?"Web posts from group owner should show in archives as being from group+owner, not the person who posted."
The card was also updated Feb 20, 2015 for "Also ability to reply as group+owner."
So, it seems those additional features are not yet implemented.
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Gerald Boutin
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 04:58 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
Wow, all this time and I never noticed you could do that (post as moderator). Wonder when it was added.
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When you see a link in a contact list or a message, you are seeing a link written in HTML.? This is the code used for web sites and links.? A "mail to" link has the portion that you see in your list, but there is another portion that you can't see that contains the actual email address.? So, when you edited the address, you only edited the visible portion, not the actual code of the link. In order to get the actual address, you would have to edit that html portion also.
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On 3/20/2018 5:29 PM, Nancy P via Groups.Io wrote: I'm using AOL desktop software and she's not in my contact list. ?I did send emails to her at the old email address but it's when I click on the hyperlink of the new address that the old one (magically!) appears.
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Even better if you forward the raw email including headers. Depending on your email client, the option will be something like "Show Original".
Or it might be even easier just to forward the actual email rather than just copying the text.
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Gerald Boutin
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Re: Posting as Owner / Moderator
After doing a bit of testing and sleuthing,?I do not see any difference in post style, etc between the two choices. As far as I can tell, the option only changes the from email address when the post is sent in email format.
It would seem the option has been around for quite some time, based on a Trello card dated January 23, 2015.?"Web posts from group owner should show in archives as being from group+owner, not the person who posted."
The card was also updated Feb 20, 2015 for "Also ability to reply as group+owner."
So, it seems those additional features are not yet implemented.
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Gerald Boutin
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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 04:58 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
Wow, all this time and I never noticed you could do that (post as moderator). Wonder when it was added.
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Re: Transfer of Yahoo Groups to IO Errors
Bruce In another of my groups there was a problem with the transfer. All the message archives did not copy over and several other problems. Like we would approve messages and they did not go to the message board. Mark did do another transfer and fixed the problems with messages. I was kind of hoping it can be done with this other group as well. We shall see Thanks Joe Bruce Bowman
If you've already received some kind of "transfer completed" message then I suspect Mark is not planning to work on it any more. It won't hurt to ask him but I'm sure there are other groups waiting in the queue.
It's my understanding that Yahoo Groups has been down a lot recently and you may be forced to transfer some content manually...if you can.?Frankly, if "in most groups [out of 22] the info was transferred with no problems," I think you should count your blessings.
Good luck,
Bruce
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How long did it take?
Ken L.
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On 20 Mar 2018, at 2:55 PM, Denny G. < wu6x@...> wrote:
So, everyone is posting their issues and problems and I thought it about time for some positive comments ... Our radio club's transfer went perfectly! All members, files, photos, and posts on Y!G came over without a hitch. I only had to re-enter the recurring events in the new calendar and we were up and operating. The few emails that bounced were chalked up to "bad or no longer existing". So, deleted those and waited for the those "few" to rejoin. They did ... No issues!
Thanks so much, ... everyone in our 100+ person Club loves the new platform.
Best regards,
Dennis - WU6X
SFARC Moderator
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Re: Posting as Owner / Moderator
Me neither.? I just checked it out and saw the down caret for the dropdown.? But all it changes is the email address but it keeps your signature which is cool, Whoever said Mark would never make it as a programmer?<g> -- Bob Bellizzi
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Re: Posting as Owner / Moderator
Wow, all this time and I never noticed you could do that (post as moderator). Wonder when it was added.
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Shal Farley