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Re: Why use hashtags in a group?
#hashtags
Why not edit the message and you can them change the hashtag in the description. On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 9:28 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
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Re: Why use hashtags in a group?
#hashtags
Yes, what you have written is more accurate. I have selected "Only Moderators Can Create Hashtags". The setting means that posts can be tagged only with existing hashtags, but there have not been any hashtags used *as hashtags*. I should note that there were some existing messages that were to be transferred that had a pound symbol in the title and caused problems with the transfer. At this time, moderators are not to add hashtags.
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Unfortunately for those of us who remember farther back than computers, what this does is effectively disallow the use of a pound symbol in a title. In my groups this may be a minor annoyance, and I would like to be able to simply turn them off, but looking to the future that would limit further use. It appears that technology is eliminating a written character that we used, instead of finding a solution that didn't limit what a poster might wish to write. I wonder if the future will bring the limitation of other characters. Dano On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 04:22 pm, D R Stinson wrote:I've left them turned off.What do you mean? How can you turn them off? I've already set |
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Re: Why use hashtags in a group?
#hashtags
J wrote:
I've already set mine to only allow moderators to create them.Although J prompted me to ask, the questions that follow are open to anyone who wishes to eliminate or restrict the use of hashtags in their group(s). And of course, anyone wishing to weigh in with other perspectives is invited to do so as well. I've provided the pro-active hashtag example of my PTA group, and implicitly a laissez-faire example in GMF (where I've made no attempt to control their use). However, since I've opined that hashtags may not be useful in all groups, I'll ask about the con side of the question. What motivates you to prevent the occurrence of hashtags in your group's message Subjects? Or is that even what you're trying to do? Here are some related rhetorical questions to see if they help prompt any thoughts: Is it something about how they appear in the Subject line, in email or in the Messages section on-site? Is it the Hashtags page itself? Are you concerned that members who find it will be confused by it? Or are you trying to avoid feeling compelled to spend effort on keeping it tidy? Is it the appearance of the #Hashtags button in the left column of your group? Would you turn that off if you could? Shal |
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Re: Why use hashtags in a group?
#hashtags
J - Good question. Like Shal, I couldn't figure a need for them in my groups so I've left them turned off. I was concerned that it would just add confusion for the group members, since they've not used them previously. As you noted, if the search works well, is it necessary for most groups?
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Re: removing a hashtag from a thread title
J's reply to Duane moved here: Shal |
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Re: removing a hashtag from a thread title
J,
I want to remove an erroneous hashtag from someone's thread but don'tIf you're talking about using "Edit Topic" item from the More menu on a message in the archive, then I think you can edit the Subject freely and it will affect the whole topic (thread) without splitting it. Now if you're asking about the effect that has on subsequent replies to messages already posted, I'm not sure. I'm sure Mark said something in beta@ about having to keep the old subject(s) so that future replies would still match the thread, but I don't recall if he did it. Given that he already keeps old copies of message bodies when they're edited it doesn't seem too big a stretch to do the same with Subject lines. But even if not, I thought at one point it was known that hashtags were excluded from the Subject match for threading purposes. But it has been a long time. Either way this is something that you could learn in a test group before making the change in a "live" group. Shal |
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Re: Why use hashtags in a group?
#hashtags
J,
I'm thinking of doing away with hashtags altogether in my group.Hashtags may not be useful in every type of group. For example, I haven't been encouraging their use here in GMF because I haven't really worked out how to get value from them. Hypothetically I can think of categories that might be useful, but I just haven't taken action. What is their advantage if search is working fine?Even if search is working fine, having them gives you a set of uniform search targets. For example in my PTA groups I use the hashtag page as a kind of index to several broad topics. #asb - Associated Student Body events/announcements #award - Awards given by the PTA to students/teachers/community #donations - Requests for PTA or school activities #events - generic #fundraiser - for PTA or affiliated groups (clubs) #meeting - Notice and agenda for PTA unit meetings #membership - PTA membership drives #minutes - of PTA meetings #phone - Weekly announcements (from the school) #principal - Special messages from the school principal #registration - School Registration #scholarship - Given by the PTA #volunteer - Requests for PTA or school activities Usually when I want to know something I'll have an idea which of those categories it will have been in. So starting the search in an appropriate hashtag makes sense, and often no further search is needed: the item will be obvious in the list for that hashtag. I implicitly assume that other members find them useful that way, but in fact I'm pretty certain that the number of times any member (other than the co-owners and I) reads the site pages at all is a number near zero. When I acquire the round tuit to move my alumni groups over from Yahoo I expect I'll do something similar. Or as an alert within a thread title as to what a thread is about?That too. Particularly since I think most of the PTA membership is email-only. Maybe the hashtags help them search within their email folders, assuming they keep any of our messages. Shal |
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Re: Spam coming from Closed Yahoo group
LeeAnne,
My apologies Shal! I didn't realize you needed the whole thing:That's ok. There's nothing really new here, but it does provide confirming evidence that the message really was sent by someone using the member's AOL account. X-Received-SPF: pass (domain of aol.com designates 204.29.186.162 asThis was an authentication test done by Yahoo. Because the message claimed to be from AOL, Yahoo looked up AOL's publicly published records and learned that the server which delivered the message to Yahoo (204.29.186.162) is listed by AOL as one of its own. That means the spammer wasn't using some other email service or device to send this message. Authentication-Results: mta1006.groups.mail.ne1.yahoo.comAnother test by a receiving Yahoo server. This says that AOL signed this message, and "dkim=pass" says that the signed parts of the message haven't been altered since that signing. X-Received: from 127.0.0.1 (EHLO oms-a015e.mx.aol.com)And this field is where a Yahoo server recorded the transaction when it received the message from a server that said it was AOL. Fields below this point must be considered suspect, because they may have come from the sending party. But given that Yahoo has authenticated the sender as AOL, we can trust them. X-Received: from 23.238.160.9 by webprd-m49.mail.aol.comThis field documents an internal AOL transaction, but it is interesting in that it says the protocol was HTTP, not an email protocol. This means that the sender was connected using AOL's web interface rather than using an email application on a computer or mobile device. X-MB-Message-Source: WebUIThese are more fields added by AOL for its own purposes. More confirmation that the message was sent by a user of AOL's web interface. No the member was not moderated before this message. I moderated herDo you happen to recall the specific setting the member had before you moderated her? Was it "Default Group Policy" or "Override - posts are not moderated"? Wow, that is so weird. Does that mean that somehow who ever hackedNo. At this point I suspect some form of error on Yahoo Group's part. Whether a "glitch" that let this one through, or something else, like the Override setting having too broad an effect. Shal |
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Re: Spam coming from Closed Yahoo group
LeeAnne,
I mentioned it because I am pretty sure it did have (or least wantedWell, no. Had this been a legit message those links would have gone to a page at Google where you could view or download a file that had been put there. In this case who knows, and unless you're a security researcher you probably don't want to know, what evil those links would actually take you to. This is strange because we have never allowed attachments in ourI think it is a did-not-happen; it does not look like anything was attached to the email message. Shal |
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Re: Spam coming from Closed Yahoo group
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 01:04 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
My apologies Shal! ?I didn't realize you needed the whole thing: Return-Path: <//////////@aol.com> [mod note: trimmed out boring parts]
No the member was not moderated before this message. ?I moderated her after the email.
Wow, that is so weird. ?Does that mean that somehow who ever hacked the email account also hacked yahoo's control to not allow posting?
Have done so. ?Thanks for the warning. ? -- ?Archivist |
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Re: Spam coming from Closed Yahoo group
On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 03:12 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I'm not sure why you mentioned this. Did the message have an attachment? I mentioned it because I am pretty sure it did have (or least wanted to have?) an attachment. ?Here is a copy of the actual message on line. If I mouse over the red download link (red arrow) it makes a hand. This is strange because we have never allowed attachments in our posts. ?Another should-not-have-happened. ? ?Archivist |
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