You bring up a good point.
Some Band are UnFair, but suppose half are due to a "bad player....?"

Once ideas are garnered here, we could take Mark an idea in Beta to have anyone Banned have a red B by their application so we can make a better decicion about their application.

Maybe in non-restricted lists, they'd have to be approved even there.

BillSF9c

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 07:16 AM, Peter Cook wrote:

From??

There's a thread over on beta about group members finding out about potential per-member pricing changes from their group owner and leaving GIO as a result. My position had been that I wouldn't say anything about this unless I knew specifically how and when my members would be impacted by pricing changes. But now it seems that people are hearing about the pricing discussion through the grapevine - without context or clear understanding, of course - so I'm forced to consider whether to pre-emptively issue some kind of reassurance.?

Anyone else noodling about this?

Pete

After reading these posts I decided to send out a special announcement to my members letting them know there were no fees being levied against my group. It's a shame we have to deal with idiot rats who abandon the ship for no reason and, even worse, start false rumors that cause trouble.

Have you looked under Admin > Invite

Where you should find a list of those invitations sent

My guess is the first didn't get actioned as it was the wrong format

Checking the Invites sent should tell you if the second batch went

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Michael

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:10 AM, Sandi D. wrote:

you could try to dispute the $220 charge

Mark has asked that that not be done as it costs him money (in addition to the refund.)? It does take him awhile sometimes, but he will reply and try to get it straightened out.

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 08:25 PM, M Gang wrote:

??? I do want to continue - BUT!?? at a $20 / month membership.

I am sorry to hear of your problem. Echoing Duane, support is overwhelmed. Much of it is because of Yahoo Groups shutting down and groups coming over to GIO. The GIO owner is trying hard to but there's only so much time in any given day.?
It will take a while, longer than you hope. But do expect you will get a reply.?

I think maybe you selected the wrong option. One option is for $20 a month (ongoing). One option is for $220 for one year. One option is a one month updgrade for $20 that will be downgraded after a month.?

Last week I selected the "one month $20 updgrade to be downgraded after a month" option. I was charged $20. I received an emailed receipt showing the terms were for just one month and would then be downgraded. So I can say that is how it works when that option is selected.?

Depending on how it was billed, you could try to dispute the $220 charge and they will likely drop it during the period of waiting for GIO Support to reply to you and work out a resolution.?
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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:53 AM, Michael Pavan wrote:

- it does not allow the Moderator to Delete Group

But with all permissions, they can do the next best thing - lock down the group and/or remove all members.

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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 10:31 AM, Doug Ruth wrote:

3) If I create several "Removed Member" notices (e.g., for different removal reasons), and none of them are active, will I be given a change to select one in the removal process, or do I have to make one active before initiating removal?

No.? You have to select one to be active before using the function.? I have one that I use most of the time, so it's the active one.? I have to remember to change to another if needed.

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| What happens if the Founder gets hit by a bus?
Nothing, as long as at least one of the moderators has all privileges (and there's no need to delete the group.)

This leaves the group with no real Owner - only their abandoned Account remains as Owner.

The reason a group may have only one Owner is that they want to ensure that another Owner does not depose them.

Giving a Moderator all Permissions:
- does protect the Owner from being deposed IF there is only one Owner
- however, if there are 2 or more Owners, all but one can be Removed by that Moderator.
- it does not allow the Moderator to promote anyone to Owner.
- it does not allow the Moderator to Delete Group

All of this means that having no 'Owner Succession' feature does not solve the problem, only 'kicks it down the road'.


I'm this real concern will continue to be periodically brought up.
So far, only some Moderator Permissions have consequently been modified, which is an improvement but not a Solution.

Unfortunately, its priority has never risen high enough to institute a solution, hopefully it won't be too many more years before this obvious need is addressed.

My suggestions are:
- That there be a hierarchy of Owners (to encourage multiple Owners), set by the most senior Owner controlling whether junior Owners can remove a more senior Owner or Delete Group).

- That Owner Succession be automated with its trigger(s) controlled by the most senior Owner, so that Groups.io management is never burdened by having to be involved.

Michael

Thank you for your answer. That's what I had resolved by finding no mention of it in the manuals. Now I'll work on proposing a change in the app that will allow a Moderator to make that change on a document. Being able to Forward something should be allowed; being able to moderate/edit/change it to the degree you are permitted would also make sense.

Doug,

1. The Removed Member notice is sent only to the member who is removed.
2. No one else is notified except moderators, if they have the correct notice set in their subscription settings.
3. I believe (though I'm not 100% certain) that you have to select the current active notice in your group's settings and that you are not given the option when you are about to remove someone.

Pete

1) If there is an active "Removed Member" notice, does it only get sent to the removed member, or to all members?

2)? If a member is removed, what do the other members see?? Do they get any kind of notification about the removed member?

3) If I create several "Removed Member" notices (e.g., for different removal reasons), and none of them are active, will I be given a change to select one in the removal process, or do I have to make one active before initiating removal??

I did the former (none of the "Removed Member" notices active) and got to the "Are you sure you wish to remove this member from the group?" prompt with a choice of Cancel or Yes.? I canceled because I wasn't sure if I'd be given the opportunity to select the desired "Removed Member" notice.

Thanks,
Doug

Our Yahoo group lost it's sole owner 4 years prior to Groups shutting down. The apprehension in our group was palpable at the thought of losing 19 years of genealogical archives. We miraculously located and managed to work with the owner's surviving spouse and daughter to recover full access so that we could add new owners and effect the move to GIO. We were fortunate but so many others were not.

If at all possible with regard to trust and amicable relations, I?most strongly recommend a minimum of 2 owners because you just never know when or if it will be needed.

At the very least, IMHO, sole owners should designate a receiver and arrange to transmit their GIO password to same out of respect for those they leave behind.
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On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 09:10 AM, KWKloeber wrote:

What happens if the Founder gets hit by a bus?

Nothing, as long as at least one of the moderators has all privileges (and there's no need to delete the group.)

Duane
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What happens if the Founder gets hit by a bus? ?Isn’t it the same catch-22, just a different level created?

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 04:54 AM, Dan Tucker - FireTuck wrote:

Is there a way for someone with the privilege to Forward (or Reply), appending the Special Notice trigger?

Only the way you're doing it, copy-paste.? BTW, just because someone is on Special Notice doesn't mean they haven't read it.? I do all of my reading online, so have all the groups I'm on set to SN.? On the groups I own, I use it very sparingly, maybe once per year, if that.

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Don't feel dumb. I just had a small browser window open and got that display and almost had a heart attack.

Kathleen

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 07:25 PM, M Gang wrote:

Their method to deal with the subscription is very poorly programmed.

I just looked and the buttons are clearly labeled as to what you're signing up for - $20/month or $220/year.? Support is your only hope.? I think Mark is working overtime trying to get the app finished, so it may be awhile before you get a response.

BTW, this is a user-to-user group, so no one here can do anything about matters such as this.

Duane
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