Re: Number of Groups.io Members
But for the foresight of Mark, millions of Yahoo group users would be stranded today. Big corporations have no interest other than making money. It is the great idea in the mind of a dedicated person that blossoms into something great which really helps everyone. Thanks Mark
On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 2:26 PM Bill Burns < billb@...> wrote: On 12/9/2019 3:06 PM, Marv Waschke wrote:
> Hats off to Mark on his system architecture. Transferring all those Y!
> Groups is an accomplishment, but as a retired system architect, I am
> more impressed by the performance of in the face of a rapid
> increase in traffic. Scaling up may sometimes be easy in theory, but
> doing it in practice as well Mark has, is really incredible.
It's no coincidence that Mark was also the architect of ONElist in 1998.
This then became eGroups and was subsequently sold to Yahoo, where it
turned into Yahoo Groups.
Yahoo then kept making "improvements" until everything finally
collapsed.? And here we all are.
Mark tells the full story of how he founded Groups.io:
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I have tried signing in with old address already. ?No luck. ?Says I am not verified yet so cannot get in. ?
And I know the address changed as I am in the group twice. ?Once as owner and one as a regular member (with different email addresses). ?That way I can see what regular members see (as it is different than what an owner sees). ?So I can see my owner address was changed and I could not have verified the change since I never could have received it.
I even tried contacting the owner but it must send to the improper address, so not coming to me.
Any way for Groups to change my address to be proper or make my secondary address an owner?
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 07:51 PM, D&J Edgar wrote:
If an email does not get confirmed will it automatically revert to before the change at some point?
It shouldn't have changed unless you clicked the link in the verification email.? As Bruce said, try signing in with your original account/email. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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Re: Invalid request, no reverse DNS for.... Not just an Outlook problem
I contacted my server. They tested and tried it and their reverse DNS is indeed properly set up. See link below... And the original error message...
host lb02.groups.io[173.255.221.194] said: 500
Invalid request, no reverse DNS for 209.242.224.96 (in reply to RCPT TO
command)
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 07:51 PM, D&J Edgar wrote:
If an email does not get confirmed will it automatically revert to before the change at some point?
It shouldn't have changed unless you clicked the link in the verification email.? As Bruce said, try signing in with your original account/email. Duane -- Help: /static/helpGMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wikiSearch button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 04:59 PM, Christopher W. wrote:
It looks like the Direct Add API </api#direct_add> may be
what you're looking for. It supports both the main group and sub groups.
It's not clear whether the Remove Member API
</api#remove-member> works on sub groups or just the main
group. That sounds like a good question for the Groups.io API group
<>. I haven't tried either one myself, though.
For creating a user, there's the Register User API
</api#user>, but it looks like you can only set the initial
password. Though, on another branch of this thread it looks like you're
actually looking for single-sign on, so this is probably not what you're
looking for in practice.
Thank you, Christopher. I'll look into this. - Gary
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 04:45 PM, Christopher W. wrote:
A feature of an Enterprise group is single-sign on using Auth0 with "others
by request". </static/pricing> You may want to contract
support to figure out if this plan is the right fit for you.
BTW, the Alpha API /login call is ugly in that it sends a user's password
across the Internet in cleartext--eek!
The API must be called over a HTTPS connection
</api#authentication>, so it's not sent in the clear. If
you can't trust HTTPS, then you lost a long time ago. :-)
Thanks again, Christopher. I'm realizing now that my goal of single-sign-in (Wordpress -> Groups.io) is a pipe dream. I can't modify/manage users' settings because the relationship of users to groups is many-to-many, and the users' universal credentials (of course) need to remain independent of any one group. Check. Then, since I don't want my users to have to sign up for Google or Facebook, those being the recognized validators of authority, I would likely be unable to self-generate a token that Groups.IO API would grant sufficient proof for a Groups.io login. Understood. We're a non-profit and can't afford Enterprise membership, but I sense that Auth0 or another method created "by request" would either be unfeasible or too expensive for us. I understand now why the security is the way it is, and it looks to have been designed well. And of course I trust HTTPS--it's just that I would never be able to obtain a user's password in the first place to make the call--unless, that is, they had already given it to me, which is a messy manual workflow on its own, and something I would never want to do. Thank you all again for your helpful replies. Thanks for helping me to realize both the beauty of the API / functionality, and that I can't get single-sign-on. Best, Gary
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Re: Home Page Does not Allow Text as shown
On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 08:54 PM, David Peters wrote:
It was the formatting that I pulled in that was messing my page up.? Thank you for your patience and help.??
I was able to update the page to look like I wanted it to.
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Looks good. The links to bylaws, constitution are clickable. You might want to reconsider this and put them in Files in your group. A style thing - I would take the underlining off your club name. Underlining usually means clickable. And off Pride of Ownership.? With Advanced Toolbar, you can add formatting to these two, including colour! Frances ? -- FAQ on Moving from Yahoo GroupsGMF Wiki: (unofficial) Help for members (and would-be members) and group managers
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Re: Home Page Does not Allow Text as shown
It was the formatting that I pulled in that was messing my page up.? Thank you for your patience and help.??
I was able to update the page to look like I wanted it to.
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 4:03 PM David Peters via Groups.Io <dtpeters63= [email protected]> wrote:
Thank you all for the?feedback.? I will try this at home later tonight.
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 03:44 PM, Frances wrote:
I looked at your Groups.io homepage and you seem to have pasted a section on top of the description box. Or something!
Francies -- I noticed that, too. There appears to be some position: absolute or other style directives messing things up, such that content is lying on top of each other.
David -- If you are cutting-and-pasting from a Word document or some other web site, don't. Clear everything out and edit your Description using the editor's own menu tools.
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Not getting the confirmations since there is no such thing as the domain I put in error () so suspect it gets bounced. ?And because there is no such domain I cannot sign into it to get it.
If an email does not get confirmed will it automatically revert to before the change at some point? ?And at what point would that be? 30 days? ?I can deal with that I guess but if it does not revert back, have I lost the group? ?
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 08:03 PM, < djedgar1970@...> wrote:
As an owner I really, really messed up.? I changed my email address except I typed in the wrong ending.? I typed in when I should have been .? So the address gets changed and suddenly I am a NC owner member with the wrong address.? Never got the confirmation email, cannot get into my own group to fix either.?
That's peculiar. If you don't receive the confirmation email and click on the link therein, the address associated with your account should not have changed.? Have to tried logging in using the old email address? Bruce
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 08:03 PM, <djedgar1970@...> wrote:
As an owner I really, really messed up.? I changed my email address except I typed in the wrong ending.? I typed in gmail.net when I should have been gmail.com.? So the address gets changed and suddenly I am a NC owner member with the wrong address.? Never got the confirmation email, cannot get into my own group to fix either.?
That's peculiar. If you don't receive the confirmation email and click on the link therein, the address associated with your account should not have changed.? Have to tried logging in using the old email address? Bruce
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Re: Honey, I shrunk the photos
Duane,
Agree that the Groups.io settings reduce size, not quality.? My goal was/is the opposite, to keep the? size and to reduce quality.? Many? of the pictures in the albums I worked with were 100K? or less when downloaded, and looked fine for this? use.? The ones
I "degraded" still look quite? good, adequate for the purpose.? Just a different preference.?? The fact that groups.io puts the? attachments in? an album means that I can easily delete large ones if needed.
Dan
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Moving to Groups.io without Yahoo Easy Transfer
#howtoguide
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As an owner I really, really messed up.? I changed my email address except I typed in the wrong ending.? I typed in gmail.net when I should have been gmail.com.? So the address gets changed and suddenly I am a NC owner member with the wrong address.? Never got the confirmation email, cannot get into my own group to fix either.?
What can be done?
If i try to get in by using the wrong ending, I just get notified that I have not been approved yet.
Group in question is Groups.io/g/TCMG
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OK, think I got something working right now.?? The Alexa and DuckDuckGo BOTs already have made a pass-thru the main page.? On DDG, with the search of Yanmar Owners Group, the result ranking is #4.? It's a few above the old YG version.? Without the word Group, it's much further down the rankings.? In time I hope, this too would over shadow the YG version.
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I'll have to hit google, bing and yahoo a little later to be sure their BOT crawls thru.
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So, white-on-white text will help the BOTs like meta data tags and descriptions.? It's not perfect, but it does help.?
With the sub-group of the ARCHIVE messages, I may use the Yahoo term to tag that location for members who hadn't joined yet after the move and Yahoo goes DARK.
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 01:22 PM, BWA Webmaster wrote: I hadn't thought of subgroups, but yes, I could add or delete members from
the "active members" subgroup as necessary. However, I understand this is
a manual process, unless I'm missing an API hook for this purpose. It looks like the Direct Add API < /api#direct_add> may be what you're looking for. It supports both the main group and sub groups. It's not clear whether the Remove Member API < /api#remove-member> works on sub groups or just the main group. That sounds like a good question for the Groups.io API group <>. I haven't tried either one myself, though. For creating a user, there's the Register User API < /api#user>, but it looks like you can only set the initial password. Though, on another branch of this thread it looks like you're actually looking for single-sign on, so this is probably not what you're looking for in practice. -- Christopher Warrington
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 03:03 PM, BWA Webmaster wrote: I'd much prefer to have access some sort of security token, like an OAuth
or a private key, so that I can access the API (without sending anyone's
password in cleartext), get my user logged in as themselves, and then hand
them off to Groups.IO. Given the current API, I can't figure out a way to
do that. A feature of an Enterprise group is single-sign on using Auth0 with "others by request". < /static/pricing> You may want to contract support to figure out if this plan is the right fit for you. BTW, the Alpha API /login call is ugly in that it sends a user's password
across the Internet in cleartext--eek! The API must be called over a HTTPS connection < /api#authentication>, so it's not sent in the clear. If you can't trust HTTPS, then you lost a long time ago. :-) There are some potential defense-in-depth arguments for using something other than the plain text password. But, things like OAuth tokens also need to treated as confidential data and should only be sent of HTTPS as well, even if your service never see the user's password. Most POP, IMAP, and SMTP servers I've used work similarly to the login API: they establish a secure connection and then send the username and password over the connection. Yes, there's legacy here, as these protocols were invented a long time ago. -- Christopher Warrington <lists@...>
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(BTW, the Alpha API /login call is ugly in that it sends a user's password across the Internet in cleartext--eek!)
As I understand it the API is rapidly evolving right now due to mobile app development (its primary application), so if you're relying on documentation you may find that it is out of date.
Any help from the group (or the develops) would be most appreciated!
GMF is strictly user-to-user, no Groups.io employees here. You may have better luck getting current info, or advice from experience, in the , which at least is moderated by Groups.io (Mark Fletcher).?
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Re: Embedding the signup form in wordpress.com?
On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 05:47 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
The promote form is exactly the one I am talking about. The promote form does not seem to work with wordpress.com at all.
The form provided on the Promote page (in the "copy/pasted into your site" box)?is in raw html. If you switch the Wordpress editor to that mode and then paste it in, it might work better. Just a thought, Bruce
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... I'm trying to figure out a way to use the API to pre-log-in a website user from within WordPress, and through API Login functionality, log them into Groups.IO automatically.
Do you mean that you want to redirect a user of your WordPress site directly to your Groups.io group and have them land in a logged-in session? If so, that's way out of my depth (and it doesn't seem like it should be possible).
Maybe you could somehow trigger the Email Link To Log In function, targeting their email address. But they'd have to receive and click through that email message to land in a logged in session, it wouldn't be direct web site to web site. You could explain it to the user as a necessary verification of their email address.
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On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 03:46 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
it might be worth noting that it is possible to use Groups.io without having a password
Hi, Chris - I should have been more clear in my initial request--sorry about that. Okay, here's my goal: Our organization has a website that has special functionality and a repository of useful data available only to members. They have to log in to the website to get at it. I'd like to be able to hand them off to Groups.IO and have them already logged in to their account (using the same email address). I don't really care what their password is, nor do I want access it--that's not the point. (BTW, the Alpha API /login call is ugly in that it sends a user's password across the Internet in cleartext--eek!) I'd much prefer to have access some sort of security token, like an OAuth or a private key, so that I can access the API (without sending anyone's password in cleartext), get my user logged in as themselves, and then hand them off to Groups.IO. Given the current API, I can't figure out a way to do that. Any help from the group (or the develops) would be most appreciated! Thanks again for your quick responses. - Gary
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