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Re: Sidebar - Gmail dotted email addresses
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWell I don't want to start trading insults, but I am somewhat dismayed by the cavalier attitude to standards being displayed by some participants of this thread. The Internet rose to prominence over the alternatives like Compuserve, AOL and even Apple's and Microsoft's attempts at creating their own proprietary networks (so unsuccessful I cannot even remember their names) just because it was based on standards that everyone could and did use. So don't dismiss 'standards' as being something rather irrelevant and able to be subverted at will, because that's what it is, whatever you may like to think. Semantics aside, I have no idea what Google's rules are. I only commented on what has been stated here and far from being the 'nonsense' you wish to believe, there has most certainly been a problem with the use or not of a dot in the user part of the email address (i.e. before the @). It is also a fact that a previous post on this Group (probably to this very topic) indicated the poster believed that the dot was irrelevant and ignored which is the exact misunderstanding to which I was referring and which can lead to the exact problem being discussed. This is not wild speculation on my part. I don't wish to continue the debate, but the Internet is already awash with problems caused by the lack of adherence to standards and the promotion of such 'idiosyncratic cleverness' (Apple's words) here is symptomatic of the problem although to be honest, I expected a more mature understanding of the subject on here. Oh well. Ken ?G i l l e t t _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
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Re: Sidebar - Gmail dotted email addresses
Well yes indeed, Microsoft is a prime example of not abiding by even their own standards. However, I did not say standards cannot be changed, just that there's a right and a wrong way to try and change them. But I won't bother repeating it all again.
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Peter,
Wondering if I could ask Groups.io to do a second transfer of theI realize you said it was water under the bridge, but for anyone else in that position I think the procedure is to go to the In Process page and delete the completed transfer record. Then you can initiate a new transfer. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: True permalink for photos?
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Andrew,
is there the equivalent of a permalink to a photo that will not changeApparently not, according to Bruce's tests. It is something I wished for long ago, but hasn't happened yet: That thread is locked, but perhaps the topic of Permalinks to resources should be brought up again in beta. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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Re: True permalink for photos?
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 04:34 PM, Andrew Dumbleton wrote:
However, the photo number appears to rely on the photo number as determined by name order and with the ability to change the name and add or delete photos (quite expected photo album tasks), this would then seem to result in different links to the album photos. Is this correct...Yes, it seems to be correct. I was able to change the "photonumber" by simply editing its description. ...and if so, is there the equivalent of a permalink to a photo that will not change when other photos are added/deleted or the photo name is changed?I've been fiddling around with this for the last 20 minutes, right-clicking and saving download links and such. So far the answer has been no...the URLs for each photo seem to be dynamically generated. Hope this helps, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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Re: Sidebar - Gmail dotted email addresses
UKenGB,
However, as someone else mentioned, although Google (and other emailIt isn't a case of subversion. Gmail's usage is compliant with the standard. From rfc5322: 3.4.1. Addr-Spec Specification An addr-spec is a specific Internet identifier that contains a locally interpreted string followed by the at-sign character ("@", ASCII value 64) followed by an Internet domain. ... The local-part portion is a domain-dependent string. In addresses, it is simply interpreted on the particular host as a name of a particular mailbox. There is nothing in the specification requiring that two different spellings of a local part either SHOULD or MUST represent different mailboxes. And in fact aliased addresses are quite common. Yahoo Mail, as one example, has the "disposable email address" feature which allows a user to create many aliases for their own mailbox. But can they be absolutely sure that no-one else operating thoseYes, that domain owner can be absolutely sure. No other server gets to decide which mailbox corresponds to a given local part in their domain. In the example we're discussing, the user of one of those addresses isNonsense. We've no idea what beliefs the other person may have held. And in any case whether she'd used mizelly or miz.elly the result would have been the same: mistaken delivery to Ellen. The dot was not a factor in what happened in Ellen's case. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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osvclua,
The transfer "from" box has wired the domain "yahoo.com" and cannot beIgnore it and put your group's name in anyway. The invite you send in Step 2 will bring the transfer agent to the correct group. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 04:03 PM, Gary Vaught wrote:
Well, I already started the transfer - without members - and I don't know if I can go back and transfer members after the fact.? I highly recommend that you NOT do that. All member content will be associated with you (the owner's) account; and although you can manually reassign much of it back to the individual members later, it's cumbersome. See also?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Transfer-from-Yahoo-Groups#FAQ? |
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Re: Sidebar - Gmail dotted email addresses
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWhen someone misspells their email address, the chances are that the different spelling is actually used by someone else. Hence why so often you are forced to type your address twice to try and ensure you entered it correctly. But (human) errors obviously still slip through. However, as someone else mentioned, although Google (and other email providers) might see it as their right to be able to subvert the standards to suit their own ends within their own systems, it is manifestly a bad idea to do so as these emails are not wholly restricted to their own controlled ecosystem and have to traverse the rest of the Internet which will not be operating by those same rules. Yes, in many cases it will be ok because it should make no difference to the intermediate servers. But can they be absolutely sure that no-one else operating those servers might also try to get clever clever in a way that conflicts and then it all breaks down. The only way email works across the entire Internet is due to STANDARDS and as with other Internet services, the more users (which includes corporations like Google) try to subvert those standards, even though they may believe it's not going to affect anyone else, the more problems it actually causes when it becomes clear those 'clever' developers didn't actually think through all possibilities and the ramifications of their meddling then seriously affects a lot of people. It can also confuse the users and mislead them into thinking something is a standard when it is not. In this case a user thinks a dot before the @ is irrelevant and ignored. But that is ONLY the case within Google's servers. To the rest of the Internet that sticks to the standards, a dot there is another character of equal importance and hence makes such variations different actual addresses. So Google, by their internal meddling have created a probably rather large number of email users who are completely misinformed about how email addresses can be used. It's not hard to see what a bad situation this creates. In the example we're discussing, the user of one of those addresses is under the mistaken belief that the dot makes no difference and hence takes no care when entering their email address to be stored somewhere and may or may not include the dot. After all, it makes no difference does it (they think). Well, maybe not within Google's servers, but when that stored address is used to send out email, the message originates on and travels via non Google servers who WILL differentiate between addresses that do or do not have a dot (or any other character differences of course) and will send on the message to the textually accurate address as has been used, but which may or may not be the correct user. So, due to Google's meddling, a user has inadvertently used the wrong address, thinking the dot makes no difference, but in fact causes the messages to be transmitted to someone else entirely. It is WRONG for organisations like Google to think they can operate on their own set of rules as it only applies to them, because that's not actually how it is. Standards are not there to be ignored and subverted. Without them, the Internet would cease to function.? If they want to change the way email addressing is utilised, they need to lobby the authorities and get the standards changed to incorporate their 'improvements'. If these are considered not to be an improvement, then they shouldn't be trying to do it in the first place. But this meddling to suit their own internal fancies is most definitely a really bad idea.
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Re: Weekly Summary...?
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There is a Daily Summary option, but I don't remember ever having a weekly option.
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Gary,
Well, I already started the transfer - without members - and I don't know if I can go back and transfer members after the fact.You can. Or before you say "go" in Step 4 you can change any of the content checkboxes and Update the transfer instructions. If the content transfer completes without the members (their email addresses from the Y!Group) added to the Groups.io group then their content is disassociated from their account, meaning that they can't edit or delete their content. That's true whether you transfer them later or invite them, or however they join later. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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