On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 10:10 am, WBennett wrote:

1... Do these count towards what amount of data a free group is allowed??

As Marie Alline said, stored files of any kind count against your allocation, whether uploaded, embedded or attached.

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2... Even though the images are in-line, they show up in the messages with a paper clip, as though they were attached... is this correct? This is what I see in the message list.

If you enable photos at all, embedded images are stripped from the message and stored on the server so they can be redisplayed in this manner. The same goes for any photo attachments...they are treated identically.

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3... If I delete the images in the Photos, will that take them out of the email they came in??

Short answer:? yes.

Longer answer:? We get free message storage, but that free ride does not include images. They all land in the Emailed Photos folder.?Deleting the image removes it from the server. Keeping it on the server allows it to appear in the message archive, but at the cost of taking up a portion of available storage. You can't have it both ways.?

Disabling photos altogether will not be a viable option for most people. I do recommend setting of a size limit on images. 1024 should be adequate for any online viewing. That way one subscriber can't send a number of huge images to the group and take up your whole allocation. Do also check into the "Delete Old Attachments" setting that Marie Alline mentioned.

Attached [non-photo] files are even more problematical. They take up space on the server but there's no convenient way to get rid of them. Thankfully they do not tend to accumulate as much as photos do. See?/g/GroupManagersForum/message/3542

Hope this helps,
Bruce

In order to not have your letters broken up, you need to go into the admin settings under "Message Formatting" and check the box "Force HTML Emails". To not have them build up in your photos, disable photos. Yes, your email and photo buildup does count towards the amount of data a group is allowed. Free or paid. Another thing you can do to help is, under "Message Formatting" there is an out of space option to "Delete Old Attachments".?
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On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 08:41 pm, Yvette Money wrote:

Result of 2nd test message rejection:? Still no "Bcc to me" or "Bcc all moderators" have shown up in my email or in my spam folder so not working for my group yet.? Does it take time for Mark's change to take effect?

Here's what Mark said about that:? "It works, but... It was not sending the message to any moderator that didn't have the Pending Messages notification enabled."

This kinda makes sense. Anyone who is responsible for reviewing/approving incoming messages *should* have this notification enabled...and they would be the very people interested in message moderation activities. However, it doesn't make sense for sending of Member Notices and other +owner messages in the context of approving member applications, helping subscribers with problems, etc.?

From today's ChangeLog:

• CHANGE: When sending a message to a member and BCC All is checked, we previously would not send the message to a moderator that didn't have the pending message notification enabled. We now always send the message to all moderators.

The way I read it, Mark changed the way the Member Notices are handled but not the moderation activities. So I suggest you enter all your Moderator accounts and ensure their Pending Message notification is enabled.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

hi peeps,

My impression is that quite a few people (out of ~ 3k membership) had stopped paying any attention to the yahoo group, when neo format was imposed by yahoo (i.e. they got fed up with neo difficulties) --
so they indicated "unsubscribe" when they got the email about being in the groups.io group --
some folks emailed that they hadn't been in "X group", when they were, they'd just forgotten about it --
so they had basically already left the yahoo group but not bothered to/weren't able to unsubscribe.

We did special announcements of "thinking of/planning to move group to groups.io", then "moving!"

The group had been going since 2000, so many people joined many years ago, and it could have gotten lost in the shuffle.

Interestingly, for some members who read the group as email, they didn't seem to really notice the change in platform!

(though we always try to poke people to read a group at its site, so can look at Files, search archived messages, etc.)
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Yes it is. But I found a work around for my group. I simply disabled photos. If I want to use photos at all, I can enable them in the files section. Since I do html email with a lot of graphics attached, I did not want them to build up and take up all of our space in the group. Thanks for your suggestions.
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On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 09:23 pm, Marie Alline wrote:

How do I keep the graphics from my html emails from uploading to a folder on the photos page when I send them through the group?

I asked for this feature in beta a couple of weeks ago, but I'm sure it was not the first time. Even worse, every time someone replies to your message without first stripping the image, you will get another copy. And another, and another...

Right now the only way I know to keep embedded images from landing in the "Emailed Photos" folder is to not embed them at all, but to place them in cloud storage somewhere and add the URL to your message via an <img> tag.

Hope this helps,
Bruce

Duane; thanks for that. There is one problem that is beyond even Mark and that is the sometimes capricious way in which members title albums they are uploading, resulting in closely related albums being at opposite ends of a list of >250 albums. I am punishing myself for past misdemeanours by going through the photo archive renaming albums to get things into some sort of sensible grouping. Moving photos between albums would obviously be highly beneficial anyway, as it would allow the number of albums to be reduced.

It may not be the best solution but I am going to trial a Photo Album Index (with links) in our Group wiki. Looks promising so far...

Chris.

I’m using an iPad. When I include a photo in a message there doesn’t seem to be a way to retitle the photo. So when it goes into the Emailed Photos album it has a camera generated name on the image.

is there a way to move an image from that folder into a personal album?

i don’t have access to a PC.

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IIRC, hard bouncing members are not included in the transfer to Groups.IO.
Because of that I would presume the actions seen are post transfer.

I did not think of it at the time but someone suggested to leave the old group open but put everyone on moderation.
If anyone now still posts to the old group they can receive an eMail telling them to subscribe to the new IO group.

Since at least one of the options in the Spam Control area must be selected, it would probably work best for you to select only Restricted Membership.? After they are approved, no further moderation would be needed.

Then go to Admin > Settings and select the Member Notices tab at the top.? If you don't have an existing Welcome message, choose to create a New Notice, make it a Notice type of Welcome, and add the information you want before using the Add Notice button at the bottom.

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Though I can't find it at the moment, I'm pretty sure Mark has mentioned that he plans to add those settings, and more.

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There are plans to add several features to the photos section, shown on the Photos card at . I don't think Mark is keeping that site updated much any more though.? I believe he mentioned that he's looking for a way to keep us updated that won't use a lot of his time.

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On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 01:09 am, Michael Jaross wrote:

Is there a way to get more information from prospective subscribers?

Yes; it's simple.

Set up a "Pending Subscription" message ("Settings" then "Member Notices") and make sure that it is set to "Active". When an application turns up in "Pending" this message will automatically be sent to the Applicant.

How you word it is entirely up to you. You then decide to admit (or not, as the case may be) the applicant based on their response.

Chris

Should the need arise rearranging the a "Files" section is straightforward; Folders can be created and Files moved between them. I have just done this on the group I moderate because over the years it had become rather untidy.

There appears to be no equivalent process available for Photos; OK they can be deleted, but short of downloading each and everyone and then uploading them again into a newly created Folder there is no way that I have found of reorganising them. Apart from downloading and uploading again being tedious beyond description I suspect that the attributions might well be lost in the process. There also appears to be no way of creating an Index so that users have some chance of finding what they want to see without having to go through each and every Photo in each and every Album. We seem to have 253 Albums, and an estimated 1500 - 2000 photos.

Has this caused headaches for other Owners & Moderators, or have I missed something obvious? Should we be asking for the means to edit / index Photo Archives more easily? I suppose that judicious editing of Album Titles might be a possible start...

Chris

As a moderator, when I get a new subscriber approval email from?, all I get is the prospective subscriber's email address. We would like to vet our members a little bit more to limit misuse. Is there a way to get more information from prospective subscribers? Thanks.

Michael Jaross
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Marie; is your Group set up to enable attachments or not? If yes, does it need to be? If that is the case then the only other solution is to remove your graphics at source. If you don't need the ability to accept attachments then disable them.

Chris

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