On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 02:22 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

The difference in footers has to do with whether the message was formatted
(HTML) or plain text. It does not depend on your group's *Reply-To* setting.

You can force all messages to have the formatted footer, if you want: check
the *Force HTML Emails* checkbox in the Message Formatting section of your
group's Settings page.

I used to be part of a non-Yahoo group where moderators severely chastised members for writing their posts in HTML. So I've learned to steer clear of HTML and write in plain text, which, I must admit, is less headache provoking without all that flourish of colours and fonts. Yet, the kind of plain text footer mentioned by Janet is really annoying.

The "Force HTML Emails" choice might cause any problems to members, I wonder?

Marina

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John,

But I'm curious why subgroups have an Admin/Usage menu item, but the
main group it's instead under Admin/Upgrade.

Because you can't upgrade a subgroup: the primary and all its subgroups share the same plan.

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If I add an image to a message, sometimes it comes after the text and other times it interferes with the text. How can one add it so it always comes after the text?
Stan

Shal,

"However, what ken said: when the Y!Group's members are copied in, those
email addresses already in the Groups.io group are skipped, so their
subscription preferences (individual, digest, etc.) and posting privileges
are not copied."

Question. If a member in YG had a No Email preference, and the No Email
preference was not allowed in a Groups.io group, what email preferences
would the member have after a transfer?

Don

Janet,

That explains the formatting, but not the missing "Reply to Sender"
option. So is that something not possible with the text versions?

The Reply to Group and Reply to Sender links are "mailto:" links. Those have proven problematic in plain text (not all email interfaces "linkify" them) and they are particularly ugly as URLs. For example:

mailto:desertminis@...?subject=Private:%20Re:%20Re%3A%20%5BGMF%5D%20Has%20something%20changed%20with%20the%20message%20footers%3F

So, while it might be technically possible, Mark felt that on the whole including them would be more trouble than they're worth.

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Dave,

I asked yesterday if there was any particular order in the processing
of transfers. So far no one has answered that.

In addition to what Duane said, Step 3 may take more or less time for a given group depending on how well the copy operation goes.

I changed that to unmoderated. Would that have made a difference?
Should we send a reminder email, letting them know we changed that
status?

I think no and no.

If we do, does it have to come from the person who created the .io
group? Or can it come from another person with owner permissions and
status on the .io group?

I think communication with the transfer agent can be from any owner of the Groups.io group. IIRC Mark has said that about the email in Step 2.2. However, to avoid confusion it would probably be best for all messages to come from the same owner, if there's a need for more than the one "Go" message.

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Stan,

It may be, as J stated, that Yahoo is just behind implementing this,
but then if they are, it seems yahoo would already be black listed by
a lot of ISP's ...

I think Doug and others may have overstated it in calling the result "blacklisted" - though with some of the services out there who knows. My impression was more that it feeds into the list service's reputation, as part of the overall "spam" detection algorithms.

since messages marked as spam surely must have occurred given the huge
group memberships in YG's.

Quite so. A perennial complaint over the years has been that Y!Group messages frequently end up in people's spam folders - even Yahoo Mail users. I think it has long been the case, with most webmail services, that one user marking Groups messages as spam can adversely affect deliveries to other users.

The carrot, as I understand it, for a list operator to sign up with an email service's FBL is improved deliverability (to Inbox, rather than to Spam). But only so long as the list operator follows the rules and stops delivery to reported addresses. For the new kid on the block, this carrot may be much more valuable than to an established service such as Yahoo Groups.

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I have always felt man's/woman's (or woman's/man's as you prefer) laws are more complex than those of nature. :-)
Nature's laws are set in stone. Our laws are continually evolving.
Stan

Donald,

If you started a group on io and later did the transfer from Yahoo
would that work?

Yes. In fact it is required - Step 0. ;-)

However, what ken said: when the Y!Group's members are copied in, those email addresses already in the Groups.io group are skipped, so their subscription preferences (individual, digest, etc.) and posting privileges are not copied.

Also, message numbers are assigned as the Y!Group messages are copied in, so they will get intermingled with messages being posted in the Groups.io group.

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Stan,

Are you saying that if a member accidentally, or the internet
provider purposely, codes a message as spam that this action gets
sent back to IO and then the person is unsubscribed, without the
group owner's approval, because of it?

Not with all email services, but yes with some.

Though, at least in the case of messages automatically delivered to the spam folder, it seems to be the act (user or automated) of deleting the message while still in the Spam folder which triggers the notice back to the list provider (Groups.io, in our case). Hence the advice, if you use such an afflicted service, to always check your spam folder and mark as "not spam" any messages from Groups.io groups that may have landed there. Well, all legit messages actually.

Does the same thing happen in YG's?

No.

I don't know the actual timeline, but J is correct that this is something relatively new (in the last several years) that some email services are doing, and something in which Y!Groups never to my knowledge participated.
(email)

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Barb,

I did not receive an automatic acknowledgement that the initial
[email protected] invitation was received (sent about 24 hours ago) -
and no, it's not in Spam/Junk either.
...
Should I wait or re-send? (I do know the whole process is going to
take weeks.... my only concern is the fact that apparently we were
*supposed* to get an auto-respond.)

I would wait. But perhaps send a polite note to [email protected] telling them your Y!Group name and the fact that you did not receive the expected notice. You can cite Mark's message in Beta about it:


He knows that some people appear not to receive the notice, but may think they've simply not checked their spam folder. IIRC the Y!Groups -owner forwarding has been known to simply drop some messages, possibly because it thinks they might be spam. There's no way to know when that happens.

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Only Mark knows the sequence used and he hasn't stated what it is.? If it were me, I'd take care of Enterprise first, Premium second, and Free last.? Mark may not agree and simply transfer in order of request.? The Posts Moderated shouldn't have made any difference since he doesn't post anything, just needs moderator status to access some of the information.

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>I have put a Pending Subscription message on the lists that I run.

This seems like a great solution. My group here (I have 4 still over at Yahoo) is restricted to homeowners in our subdivision. We need to know who you are and your address before anyone is admitted. An email of iluvhorses@... tells me nothing about the person. Usually I need to invite folks but sure enough someone signed up on the web this week and I could not identify who they were without contacting them first.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 02:12 pm, Group Moderator wrote:

You're saying a message can get sent to Spam on its own, and then can get automatically deleted on its own (!), triggering the member to be unsubscribed? Is there nothing that can be done about this?

Yes, it really happens.? It gets reported and/or asked about often.? Nothing can be done about it until the email services stop doing it.? Some services don't have a way to add things to a white-list.? The only way around it, for now anyway, is for the folks on those services to change to another one that doesn't have the problem. ;>)

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Yes, I understand it is being marked as spam by the receiving provider (or the member. I can do this in my ISP's system), not Groups.io. It seems there is a communication gap. If this is not happening in YG's then it is something groups.io owners will have to contend with that they do not have to in YG's. Hence, my question of whether this is happening in YG's. Although a member will receive a link (as you say) to be back in the group, I am sure some will be confused. It may be, as J stated, that Yahoo is just behind implementing this, but then if they are, it seems yahoo would already be black listed by a lot of ISP's since messages marked as spam surely must have occurred given the huge group memberships in YG's.
Stan

On 2/21/2018 2:08 PM, Douglas Swearingen wrote:

It makes no difference if this happens in YG's or not.

This is being marked spam by the receiving provider. NOT Groups.io.
If Groups.io does not agree to this it will be blacklisted and no emails will be able to be sent out. All your members have to do is, check their spam, mark those that may end in the spam folder as not spam. Then if they want to delete the messages all is okay. IF the simply delete everything that is in their spam folder they may run the risk of being removed from the group.

As well, if they are removed from the group for the above spam related reason, the member will receive a link to be back in the group. All they have to do is open the link and click on it.

Doug

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We have been patiently waiting for a transfer from YG. I asked yesterday if there was any particular order in the processing of transfers. So far no one has answered that.?

I ask because of the previous post in this thread that indicated that 'Barry G' sent the invitation the day transfer.io was made a member of our group with moderated status. Our request for transfer was sent on Feb. 8 or 9. We still have not been transferred, but it seems Barry G's group was yesterday. In other words, it appears that his group has jumped ours in line, if in fact there is a formal line.

I don't want to antagonize anyone, but some of our members would like to know realistically when we can expect to be transferred.?

I did discover this morning that, while transfer.io was made moderator of our YG, with all permissions unchecked per the instructions, that membership was still in the default new member status of Posts Moderated. I changed that to unmoderated. Would that have made a difference? Should we send a reminder email, letting them know we changed that status? If we do, does it have to come from the person who created the .io group? Or can it come from another person with owner permissions and status on the .io group?

TIA

Dave

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