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On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 03:52 pm, toki wrote:

Under the EU Data Privacy Rules, it is theoretically possible for one to
be in violation of the rules.

The bigger legal risk is a copyright violation.
A user claiming that their original content was not licensed for display
on Groups.IO.

After reading all this, I am full of doubts and I wonder if I should have known better and relocate just members without their own content (messages).

I am going through the relocating process now, well before May, do you think I could be still sued for copyright violation?

Marina

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 11:38 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

Groups.io does not yet have a web-based fill-in box, but I don't know
how useful Yahoo Group's feature of that type is, when there's no custom
question asked.

At some point in my YG group, to keep the focus on the group subject, we started to restrict memberships. In our website and on the group page we stated clearly that only subscription requests with a short introduction were accepted.
Members wishing to join the group used the Yahoo box to introduce themselves and explain in a few words why they were interested in the group.
Pending members with no description were contacted by the moderator in charge and kindly asked to come out of the dark.
It worked well.

Marina

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 12:37 am, Shal Farley wrote:

That's odd. I found that group in the directory and I don't see any bold-faced
word. In fact, it doesn't look like the directory shows any formatting that
the group Description might have.
Or maybe you've gone on to other testing by now, as that group's Description
looks very short (one sentence) and no formatting also on the group's home
page

Many thanks for your help, Shal.

That group description was meant to be short, so length it's not problem in that case.
My other group description, on the other hand, was meant to be a bit longer (not excessively), but Groups Directory shows just a line and a half of text.
From that cut off description it isn't even clear what the group is about.
I turned both descriptions into plain text days ago, so there was no further testing going on, what you saw is the actual text.
Can you have a look at my second group, please? Search for Biblit in Groups Directory
/g/Biblit

If you're still seeing one of those words in bold, maybe there's a plug-in or
other software affecting what your browser is showing you. Otherwise I don't
know how to explain it.

I tried visiting Groups Directory with Microsoft Edge and then with my smartphone (searching with Google and Chrome). Even with my husband's Mac I still see that word in bold (plus the strangely shortened text).
Maybe something irreparable happened between me and Groups.io when I created the two texts.
I don't really know how to sort this out.
Food for wizard's thought.

Marina

Thank you, Shal. I'll wait it out, then.

By the way, I've found out that you cannot invite people to a subgroups. You can either add them (which is a Premium Group feature, if I am not mistaken) or they must joing the group on their own (through the subscribe address, I presume).

Marina

Marina,

I was going to create two subgroups, one for moderators and the other
for expanded discussion (meetings organization, off-topics, etc.), but
I wonder if I'd better wait until the main group (4000+ members) has
successfully relocated.

I would say create them before sending the Go email, or wait until you receive the "completed" notice. Either way should be fine, but I wouldn't risk creating them while the transfer is in progress.

Shal

Marina,

I have another small group I created to test Groups.io.
The group description in Directory has the same problem: same word in bold.

That's odd. I found that group in the directory and I don't see any bold-faced word. In fact, it doesn't look like the directory shows any formatting that the group Description might have.

Or maybe you've gone on to other testing by now, as that group's Description looks very short (one sentence) and no formatting also on the group's home page:



If you're still seeing one of those words in bold, maybe there's a plug-in or other software affecting what your browser is showing you. Otherwise I don't know how to explain it.

Shal

Shal,

All I can say is before I approved this person, they replied to my email asking them if they got the Pending Subscription email, which they told me No...I did ask them to check their Spam folder. I have two more people I have not approved yet, and I have asked them the same question about the Pending Subscription, but no word back from them yet. One member on GMF thought I should send this problem to Support, so I did. Mark emailed me asking for the email addresses of these three people, so I sent that information to him. Not long after I sent that information to Mark I received a request from a new person to join, and this time I got the email from them pertaining to the Pending Subscription. Go figure.

Don

mary,

I need to send different "pending" and "welcome" messages and I see
groups.io only lets one be active.

It only allows one of each type to be active.

There should be no problem having both a Pending Subscription notice and a Welcome notice active at the same time. I have both in some of my groups.

Shal

Don,

I looked at the Most Recent Successful Delivery, and it said Message;
Welcome notice: Welcome Message, Delivered 11:46 am. Most Recent
Unsuccessful Attempt: No email deliveries

Ok, this was after you approved the member. So I'm not sure the evidence for what happened to the Pending notices should still be here.

It does say that there were no unsuccessful attempts, so that likely means that the pending notices were accepted by the person's email service, but I'm not 100% sure. All notices should be bounce tracked, just like message posts are, I'd cite it as a bug if I had evidence that one wasn't tracked.

Shal

Marina,

I would like to give the main group members the opportunity to contact
the moderation subgroup, but I don't want them to be actually part of
the subgroup or read messages among moderators.

In the Message Policies section of the mod subgroup's settings, check "Allow Non Subscribers to Post
Posts by non-subscribers will be moderated, instead of rejected".

The two limitations are:

1) Non-members here means any non-member; there's no way to restrict it to just members of the primary group.

2) Messages from the primary group members are moderated when posting to the mod subgroup. This one might be considered an advantage, but I mention it because it is not optional.

Shal

Richard,

... we prefer to make sure they are willing to follow our rules and
procedures and are going to participate properly for our group. Yahoo
has a feature to allow just that type of thing and I was hoping that
io Groups did too as it has been very helpful for us.

Which Y!Group feature are you referring to?

As mentioned earlier in this thread Groups.io does have the automatic notice sent to Pending subscribers feature. It is sent from the group's +owner address, and replies by the prospective member go to the +owner address. Does that do what you want?

Groups.io does not yet have a web-based fill-in box, but I don't know how useful Yahoo Group's feature of that type is, when there's no custom question asked.

Shal

I have thought from the start that this is a dangerous lack in groups.io as compared to FB groups. It would be great if someone would call this to Mark’s attention again in beta. I’m pretty sure it’s on trelllo but I think it really needs to be bumped up,

On Feb 13, 2018, at 11:14 PM, Dave Sergeant <dave@...> wrote:

One of my groups is restricted to paid up members of our club and we
need to confirm this before approving them. Another group is for TV
repair technicians and for health and safety reasons we need to confirm
they are reasonably qualified to work on these items.

Approving them and getting them to say who they are in their first post
(or moderating their postings) does not achieve our requirements as
they would be able to read messages and access files as soon as they
become members. All our content is available to members only and it is
important to keep this so.

A simple box to type a few words on the joining screen, like
Yahoogroups has, would solve most of these issues.

Dave

[excess quote trimmed by moderator]

I agree with Don. Even just one question does the job.

One of my groups is restricted to paid up members of our club and we
need to confirm this before approving them. Another group is for TV
repair technicians and for health and safety reasons we need to confirm
they are reasonably qualified to work on these items.

Approving them and getting them to say who they are in their first post
(or moderating their postings) does not achieve our requirements as
they would be able to read messages and access files as soon as they
become members. All our content is available to members only and it is
important to keep this so.

A simple box to type a few words on the joining screen, like
Yahoogroups has, would solve most of these issues.

Dave

On 13 Feb 2018 at 18:44, Sharon Villines wrote:

As an email groups fan, why do you need to know this before approving
the membership? Why not just ask them to introduce themselves in their
first message and address these questions. And do you save this
information?

Tony,

Under my Account is Preferences, then Time Display. which can be set
to Relative (ie 5 minutes ago) or Absolute (ie Jan 13, 2016, 4:47pm)

Yes, however as I said, and you quoted...

On Feb 11, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

...
This control by the way is largely or entirely ignored, and Mark
ought to remove it. He's settled on using abbreviated absolute time
everywhere, with hover text showing the full date/time string.

Shal

everyone has the right to do what they want in their own groups.? Our shih tzu group has been going for 14 years and is a small select group of people who are truly interested in this breed.

Cherrill 
Be kinder than necessary; 
for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

The only reason I ask people to put down a reason for wanting to join our groups, is to know they are real people, and not a Spam bot. When we were actively using YG on a rare occasion a member's computer would get infected, and send out Spam to our members in our group. On those occasion I would tell the infected person on the side what was coming from their computer, and they needed to do something about it before sending any more posts to the group. If anymore Spam came from their computer, then they knew they were going to get kicked off the group. Once they got clean again, they could join the group again. I can't really remember a time when a person joined the group with the intentional purpose of Spamming the members or the group, so I think the practice of asking prospective members why they want to join a group is a good idea. I had to rely on YG to protect the group from bad things as much as they could, and I did what I could to help out the cause.

Don