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Re: arrrggghhhh! I don't get it (just a rant)

J_Catlady
 

On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 11:20 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I'm still not surprised that someone might resist what may seem to them to be alarmist information.
Shal, absolutely, in retrospect it was stupid to give the proverbial unasked-for advice. I couched it in alarmist terms only because I was sure they would ignore it otherwise. I should never even have made the attempt.
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Re: arrrggghhhh! I don't get it (just a rant)

J_Catlady
 

After my group transferred, we had exactly one snafu: a member sent her email with her logon link to another member, trying to be helpful, and then the member logged into that member's account. (That snafu, IIRC, was the origin of the 60-minute time-out on the login link.:) After that, most people using email were not even aware of the change. We have some group members who STILL think we're in yahoo. It was that seamless. :)
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J
Re: arrrggghhhh! I don't get it (just a rant)

 

Last night I was asked what I was going to do after the transfer is complete.

I told them that when complete. please post only on groups.io
All posts on the old group will be moderated.
No new members will be approved for the YG list.
The moderators will no longer moderate (and approve messages) on
a timely basis.
The old YG group will be an archive, until YG dies, it will not grow.

So Far all quiet, this was a Special Notice so all should have received it by now

ken

On 2018-01-23 08:39, J_Catlady wrote:
This morning I went back into that yahoo group (mainly out of morbid
curiosity - I'm not going to post any more there) and found a deluge
of angry, sarcastic posts - yahoo groups is just fine, we don't need
you telling us what to do, bla bla bla. Thanks for the support,
everyone!
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Re: arrrggghhhh! I don't get it (just a rant)

 

I agree...unfortunately there are some people who don't like/cannot deal with change of any kind, so no matter what you do they will complain. ;-)
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Kevin Conod
kdconod@...
Re: arrrggghhhh! I don't get it (just a rant)

J_Catlady
 

This morning I went back into that yahoo group (mainly out of morbid curiosity - I'm not going to post any more there) and found a deluge of angry, sarcastic posts - yahoo groups is just fine, we don't need you telling us what to do, bla bla bla.?Thanks for the support, everyone!
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J
Re: arrrggghhhh! I don't get it (just a rant)

 

I tend to agree with Don.? I've had a number of yahoogroups since probably 2002 or so and before NEO, I (as administrator/owner/moderator) was able to do a number of things administratively that NEO took away.? Over time, I've found that when you have a problem, you end up with an automated Q&A session that takes you to a FAQ entry that probably doesn't answer your problem.? Getting a human to talk to is pretty much a thing of the past.? They have made changes without advance notification, and many of my older members have a lot of trouble with the CAPTCHA process to change email or join the group, so they end up quitting in disgust.? I had two specific groups I was targeting for a move - the first one had about 150 members and it went like clockwork.? No hiccups whatsoever and it's been going for probably 6-8 months.? My other group was like nearly 1000 folks and I wanted to wait a bit.? What I found was that Yahoogroups access was getting flaky while groups.io wasn't, so I finally decided to migrate the larger group.? It took a little longer (probably because of the demand from former yahoogroup users to move) and some things didn't make it (files mostly, apparently because something is going on over at Yahoogroups - so I'll have to check and see what is happening before I shut down that group).

And, in any transfer like this, you will lose some people and you will gain others.? There are always growing pains, but those folks who are ranting and raving at you for recommending a move are stuck in a paradigm they don't really understand.? I made the migration to Yahoogroups from a LISTPROC server hosted at a university back in 2002.? My co-owner and I talked about the alternatives - we were looking at Majordomo, possibly hosting LISTPROC on a UNIX machine locally, Yahoogroups, Googlegroups, and for whatever reasons back then, we opted for Yahoogroups.? Every option has it's pros and cons, but so far (knock on wood), groups.io has been solid.

Bill Hickey
Boulder, CO
Re: YGroups GMF probs?

 

I have found hiccups occasionally in sending invitations or some other routine maintenance, but those have, at least until now, been corrected within a day or two.? Where I am seeing a problem is in the Management Reports. The last entry into any of the reports is January 1st. While this isn't critical, it is annoying, as I check Moderator Activity and Membership Activity frequently. I have taken the precaution of downloading my lists, so even if a transfer should no longer be possible, I will have a list of emails for sending invites from groups.io and starting that way. I've been loathe to make the change on this one list as I expect a series of problems that I just don't want to deal with. My two smallest lists are doing fine on groups.io.

Cacky

On 1/22/2018 8:42 PM, Wm. Paul Mitchell wrote:
Anyone having further problems with GMF on YGroups?

Just went to check it and no messages load but the header and main page say 'No New Messages'. And the Message Page (Archives) there show that the latest posts are on Dec 31st. That was not the case earlier today?

Wondering whether Verizon/Oath might've sanctioned some of the discussions or removed them even.

Curiouser & Curiouser...!

Any thoughts or comments about this.

Paul M.
CostaRicaLiving Moderator/Owner (both on YG & .IO)
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Re: member got deleted

 

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Lena thanks. Did not know this.
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Anita
Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?

 

Can I suggest you send your group an email from your migrated group - by email to your Groups.io email address or by logging into your group space on Groups.io and sending something from there?

Then your group members will see they are still group members and are receiving email from the group.?

I hope most most of your members are receiving mail. My group is set so that Special Notices is the least frequent delivery method. If you have Special Notices only, send your first message via your group site and tick the Special Notices checkbox.?

Frances
Re: Message Settings #groupowner

 

DOH! Face/Palm moment. Thanks.
Re: Are Adult groups allowed on groups.io

Johnny M Ross
 

Well its an adult film star group, so I dont think it is appropriate for here. This website is so much like yahoo groups, except for yahoo allowed adults only groups. Too bad they went under, they were the best for this type of group. Do you have any alternatives that accept adult groups and reach a wide audience.? I think google groups is dead now like yahoo?
Re: Are Adult groups allowed on groups.io

 

There's no way to have a group limited to adults only. To know whether your group is acceptable, you should read Conditions of Use > User Conduct in the TOS. If you still aren't sure, you could send a message to [email protected] for clarification. I think it will depend on the content and intent of the group.

Duane
Re: Message Settings #groupowner

 

They can use the email commands, shown at /static/help#emailcommands for some. They can also sign in to the site and go to any of their groups, select Subscription from the left menu, and change as needed (being sure to Save when done.)

Duane
Are Adult groups allowed on groups.io

Johnny M Ross
 

Hi, I wanted to transfer my adults only yahoo group to groups.io, but I cannot find any info that adult groups are allowed on here.Can anyone tell me for sure and if so how do I make my group available to adults only. I have not posted or done anything til I find out if my group is allowed. If not, I will be deleting it as soon as I get a reply. Thank You.
Message Settings #groupowner

 

How can members change the own email settings??

Norman
MediaPro
Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?

 

Secretary,

They would have had no idea the group was up and running as I'd never
told them,
Each would have received a "welcome" message from Groups.io, whether or not you set one up under Member Notices.

so this message must (I assume) have gone out to ALL the new members
set up as part of the migration. There was nothing "user-initiated"
about it as they would have no way of knowing that IO was there
waiting.
Bad assumption. That's clearly the message sent when your Director went to the Groups.io site and clicked on the ""Email me a link to log in" button.

So, I think you are saying that everyone will now need to log on to
/login, then type their old YG e-mail address then
either "Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in" to access
member-only areas like Wiki.
Correct. While they're there they can set a password if they like, or they can simply use the "Email me a link to log in" button when needed and never have a password.

Shal
Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?

Secretary
 

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Hi Shal,

This is what our Director received:

Hello,
Here is a link to log into your Groups.io account:


It will expire in 60 minutes, on 01/22/2018 at 11:29pm GMT,
 but you'll stay logged in for 30 days, unless and until you log out.
If you did not ask for a login link to be sent to you, please ignore this email.

Cheers,
 The Groups.io Team

They would have had no idea the group was up and running as I'd never told them, so this message must (I assume) have gone out to ALL the new members set up as part of the migration.? There was nothing "user-initiated" about it as they would have no way of knowing that IO was there waiting.

So, I think you are saying that everyone will now need to log on to /login, then type their old YG e-mail address then either? "Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in" to access member-only areas like Wiki.

Thanks.
On 23/01/18 11:33, Shal Farley wrote:

Secretary,

> However, the message received, presumably by all members (I had
> already joined as a tester so didn't get a message), asked them to
> click on a link in the next 60 minutes.

That message should not have resulted from the transfer, per se.

That sounds like the "Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in" message. Which is always user-initiated, so the user should be prepared and ready to receive the message.

> What I don't understand is what I need to do next to get the guys
> fully active.

For receiving and posting group messages by email, nothing. They are good to go once copied in by the transfer agent.

To access members-only areas of the group web site they need to log in. To do that the first time they can use the Log In page and select either
"Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in". They will need to enter their email address (the one copied over from the Y!Group), receive the message, and use the link in it within the allotted time.

Shal




Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?

 

Matty,

Is there a fallback option - i.e. if you don't click the link within
its lifetime, do you turn into a pumpkin or do you have an option to
request access or something?
As mentioned to Secretary, the timed link is only sent in response to a user action, and is only associated with logging in to the web site.

If the link times out, just request another on the Log In screen.

Shal
Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?

 

Secretary,

However, the message received, presumably by all members (I had
already joined as a tester so didn't get a message), asked them to
click on a link in the next 60 minutes.
That message should not have resulted from the transfer, per se.

That sounds like the "Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in" message. Which is always user-initiated, so the user should be prepared and ready to receive the message.

What I don't understand is what I need to do next to get the guys
fully active.
For receiving and posting group messages by email, nothing. They are good to go once copied in by the transfer agent.

To access members-only areas of the group web site they need to log in. To do that the first time they can use the Log In page and select either
"Forget your password" or "Email me a link to log in". They will need to enter their email address (the one copied over from the Y!Group), receive the message, and use the link in it within the allotted time.

Shal
Re: What action is required by members after the transfer?

 

You are confusing a couple of things. Firstly you and your members need
to do absolutely nothing, after the transfer they receive an email
telling they have been transferred - there is a link to click in that
email if they do NOT want to be in the new group, there is no time
limit on that link.

I think what you are talking about is the first time they visit the
group they are asked to set up a password - they will then be emailed a
link to enable that and that link is valid from one hour only from the
time they click it. If they decide not to set up a password they will
still be members but won't be able to access the group via the web,
only email.

Dave

On 23 Jan 2018 at 2:38, Secretary wrote:

However, the message received, presumably by all members (I had already
joined as a tester so didn't get a message), asked them to click on a
link in the next 60 minutes.? This was daytime USA, but just before
midnight in the UK, so the probability of any/many clicking on the link
in time is approaching zero.

What I don't understand is what I need to do next to get the guys fully
active.? Advice would be much appreciated as we have our first event of
the year - a repertoire whole weekend away - this coming weekend!
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