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Jeff ErnstFriedman
 

I want to try out the Slack member integration mentioned in the features section but I am not seeing any how-tos. I don't see it mentioned specifically under the paid features.

I go here:?

Go to Sync'd with Slack team

You must authenticate with Slack to continue.

Authenticate With Slack
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And? when I click it gives me an OAUTH error message.?

I am stuck on what to do next.


Re: Viewing Group message format settings

 

David,

Yes I know, but as you say, it doesn¡¯t include them all, especially
things like delivery type etc.
Delivery type?

That's something each subscriber sets for him/herself. That you can see on your Subscription page. In the left column, just below the link for the group's home page.

Shal


Re: Viewing Group message format settings

 

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Yes I know, but as you say, it doesn¡¯t include them all, especially things like delivery type etc.
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We are not the same persons this year as last; nor are those we love. It is
a happy chance if we, changing, continue to love a changed person. -William
Somerset Maugham, writer (1874-1965)

On 11 Dec 2017, at 18:04, Dave Sergeant <dave@...> wrote:

The basic settings are listed on the home page of the group under Group
Settings. This obviously doesn't include them all.

Dave

On 11 Dec 2017 at 16:25, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

Can a non-admin view the settings of a group they are a member of?
A bit like Mailman allows you to query the list to determine settings.










Re: timezone in digests

Arno Martens
 

Mon, 11 Dec 2017 13:23:53 -0800, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>,
wrote:
Your email header shows.
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:14:25 -0800
The date field is ordinarily supplied by the email user interface, in my
case Thunderbird. "-0800" is my current UTC offset (U.S. Pacific
standard time). During Daylight time my offset is -0700.

Delivery-date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:15:41 +0200
That field was most likely added by your email service. So we have:

10 Dec 2017 23:14:25 -0800 my time, equals
11 Dec 2017 07:14:25 -0000 UTC, equals
11 Dec 2017 09:14:25 +0200 your time
11 Dec 2017 09:15:41 +0200 your email service received it
--------------------
= 1:16 Time in transit

FWIW I received a group post on Sunday from Amsterdam, NL with a PST
time stamp.
Because of this thread I eMailed the poster to check and he replied CET
= 0100
This off list reply was shown as UTC exactly.

Arno.


Re: FW: One member having mail issues, help please.

 

Hi Gilly,

One of my members is having issues with cc ing in me and a few other
members each time she posts to group.
If these are replies she's posting, some email interfaces allow the user to select "Reply to all" as the default reply method. That would likely post to both the group and the original sender. She'd have to look for that setting in her email interface.

I¡¯m pretty sure the issue is her end but I also remember seeing a
settings page regarding reply to all etc ( I don¡¯t think that¡¯s the
issue as it¡¯s just one member, but would like to be able to find it
again!)
In the Message Policies section of your group's Settings page is the "Reply To" option. It can be set to one of:
Group,
Sender,
Moderators, or
Group and Sender.

I agree with you though, this isn't likely the problem if it is just the one member having the issue.

Shal


Re: timezone in digests

 

Tony,

Your email header shows.
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:14:25 -0800
The date field is ordinarily supplied by the email user interface, in my case Thunderbird. "-0800" is my current UTC offset (U.S. Pacific standard time). During Daylight time my offset is -0700.

Delivery-date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:15:41 +0200
That field was most likely added by your email service. So we have:

10 Dec 2017 23:14:25 -0800 my time, equals
11 Dec 2017 07:14:25 -0000 UTC, equals
11 Dec 2017 09:14:25 +0200 your time
11 Dec 2017 09:15:41 +0200 your email service received it
--------------------
= 1:16 Time in transit

Actually, all but a second or two of that time in transit would have been spent waiting in GMF's Pending queue (because 100% of messages here are moderated).

A major problem in email timezones is that gmail uses their own
timezone, irrespective of where the email originates.
That's not always the case. I know gmail users in other timezones whose Date field is correctly represented in their UTC offset.

But even so, I'm not sure why it would be a major problem if Gmail did always use their own timezone.

Shal


Re: Viewing Group message format settings

 

The basic settings are listed on the home page of the group under Group
Settings. This obviously doesn't include them all.

Dave

On 11 Dec 2017 at 16:25, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

Can a non-admin view the settings of a group they are a member of?
A bit like Mailman allows you to query the list to determine settings.


Viewing Group message format settings

 

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Can a non-admin view the settings of a group they are a member of?
A bit like Mailman allows you to query the list to determine settings.


Every man is a damned fool for at least five minutes every day. Wisdom consists in not exceeding the limit. -Elbert Hubbard, author, editor, printer (1856-1915)





FW: One member having mail issues, help please.

 

From: Gilly Gmail [mailto:gilly.pidler@...]
Sent: 11 December 2017 12:00
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: One member having mail issues, help please.

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Hi I¡¯m Gilly and I run a health support group on here. One of my members is having issues with cc ing in me and a few other members each time she posts to group. I¡¯m pretty sure the issue is her end but I also remember seeing a settings page regarding reply to all etc ( I don¡¯t think that¡¯s the issue as it¡¯s just one member, but would like to be able to find it again!)

Any ideas of things to check my end, she¡¯s working on it her end but as I¡¯m new to IO and so is she I want to make sure we don¡¯t miss anything that needs checking. Many thanks everyone. Please reply to gilly.pidler@...

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Gilly UK xxx

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Re: timezone in digests

Arno Martens
 

Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:51:33 +0200, "Tony Moody" <aim@...>, wrote:
Your email header shows.
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:14:25 -0800
Delivery-date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:15:41 +0200 [this is correct for South Africa]

A major problem in email timezones is that gmail uses their own timezone, irrespective of where
the email originates. Here is a timestamp in an email from somone just a mile or so away from
me.
Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:09:21 -0800 (PST)
Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:10:05 +0200

Are you sure that your correspondent has set his computer clock to the
correct time zone.
Happens a lot here, and when I point it out, the usual reply is "Oh, I
didn't even notice."

Arno


Re: Messages List for Owners/Moderators Only

Arno Martens
 

Sun, 10 Dec 2017 16:13:28 -0800, "Shal Farley" <shals2nd@...>,
wrote:
Instead of CC'ing everyone when communicating amongst each other ...
You don't need to CC (or better, bcc) everyone individually, just cc the
group's +owner address.

The message in question was sent to group+owners. One only replied.
I have no means of knowing that they all got it. With a hoped for
Messages-to-owners list I would know that they all could see it.

... it would be nice to have a second (folder for) Messages in the
left margin to keep a record accessible to group management only.
As Duane mentioned, many have wished for a page for +owner messages that
works much like the group Messages page, but is available to mods and
owners only and includes messages sent to and from the +owner address.
Arno


Re: timezone in digests

 

Hi Shal,

Your email header shows.
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 23:14:25 -0800
Delivery-date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 09:15:41 +0200 [this is correct for South Africa]

A major problem in email timezones is that gmail uses their own timezone, irrespective of where
the email originates. Here is a timestamp in an email from somone just a mile or so away from
me.
Sun, 10 Dec 2017 00:09:21 -0800 (PST)
Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:10:05 +0200

It can drive one mad.

OK,
Tony

On 10 Dec 2017 at 23:14, Shal Farley wrote about :
Subject : Re: [GMF] timezone in digests

Al,

> The Timezone should be able to be set by the owner

Perhaps we could suggest that a member timezone be one of the settings the
admins (owners/moderators) can make in the Def Sub Settings tab of the
group Settings page.

If the joining member hasn't already set their timezone (in their
account settings) then it could be pre-set from this default member value.

> If I have no control over the individual users Timezone
> Then the messages will be 3 hours off for everyone and
> confuse the posts as to the request and what is the actual
> time and when the request is due

I'm not sure what you mean by "the request", but message content (a time
written in the body of a message) is never adjusted for timezone. So if
you are posting instructions with due dates and times, those won't be
affected.

The member's timezone affects what the member sees on the web site as
times that messages and other content is posted, and events in the group's
calendar. When the member first signed up and logged into the web site
they had the opportunity to set their account timezone. If they're looking
at the group calendar there's a control there to set the member's account
timezone also. So for most members this won't really be an issue.

At one time it was said that on that first log-in the system would
automatically detect the member's timezone and set it accordingly. I can't
easily test that (I'm in US. Pacific time) so I'd be happy to have someone
in another timezone confirm or deny that for me. Note that means the first
log-in of a given email address. If Groups.io has ever seen the email
address before (joining your group or any other) then this does not apply.

However Digests are the exception - members might be email-only,
receiving Digests without having ever logged in to the web site. So to
handle that case having a default timezone set by the group admins may be
beneficial.

Shal


Re: timezone in digests

 

Al,

The Timezone should be able to be set by the owner
Perhaps we could suggest that a member timezone be one of the settings the admins (owners/moderators) can make in the Def Sub Settings tab of the group Settings page.

If the joining member hasn't already set their timezone (in their account settings) then it could be pre-set from this default member value.

If I have no control over the individual users Timezone
Then the messages will be 3 hours off for everyone and
confuse the posts as to the request and what is the actual
time and when the request is due
I'm not sure what you mean by "the request", but message content (a time written in the body of a message) is never adjusted for timezone. So if you are posting instructions with due dates and times, those won't be affected.

The member's timezone affects what the member sees on the web site as times that messages and other content is posted, and events in the group's calendar. When the member first signed up and logged into the web site they had the opportunity to set their account timezone. If they're looking at the group calendar there's a control there to set the member's account timezone also. So for most members this won't really be an issue.

At one time it was said that on that first log-in the system would automatically detect the member's timezone and set it accordingly. I can't easily test that (I'm in US. Pacific time) so I'd be happy to have someone in another timezone confirm or deny that for me. Note that means the first log-in of a given email address. If Groups.io has ever seen the email address before (joining your group or any other) then this does not apply.

However Digests are the exception - members might be email-only, receiving Digests without having ever logged in to the web site. So to handle that case having a default timezone set by the group admins may be beneficial.

Shal


Re: timezone in digests

 

The Timezone should be able to be set by the owner

I have a NY based EST group

I set the group to EST

If I have no control over the individual users Timezone

??????????????? Then the messages will be 3 hours off for everyone and confuse the posts as to the request and what is the actual time and when the request is due

??????????????? To have over 250 users change the timezone is not practical

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??????????????? I understand that in some groups members can be in different timezones ¨C yet there should still be an override for the owner based on the requirements of that group

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Al Rosen

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Re: Messages List for Owners/Moderators Only

 

Arno,

Instead of CC'ing everyone when communicating amongst each other ...
You don't need to CC (or better, bcc) everyone individually, just cc the group's +owner address. That will send a copy to all the owners/mods at their email service. I do that when replying to a member from my email. If I reply via the group's web site there's generally a checkbox to bcc all the moderators.

... it would be nice to have a second (folder for) Messages in the
left margin to keep a record accessible to group management only.
As Duane mentioned, many have wished for a page for +owner messages that works much like the group Messages page, but is available to mods and owners only and includes messages sent to and from the +owner address.

As a footnote to that, any messages you send to a member via your own email interface, even if you spoof the From as being the +owner address, won't be received by Groups.io (and therefor won't be in that +owner page) unless you explicitly cc the group's +owner address when you send it.

Shal


Re: Messages List for Owners/Moderators Only

 

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 02:22 pm, Arno Martens wrote:
Hopefully Mark will be able to add an additional Messages list where all
owner messages would be viewable as a "conversation"
Yes, there are many of us hoping that will be included in the overhaul, along with other requested features.? It will likely require extensive programming work, so no telling when it might happen (especially with the mass migration from Y! lately.)

Duane


Re: Messages List for Owners/Moderators Only

Arno Martens
 

ADD ON

Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:33:17 -0800, "Duane" <txpigeon@...>, wrote:

Unfortunately, there's currently not a single place to see all the messages.? You have to look at "Frances".? There have been several requests on beta@ to have an overall view and include replies by the owner/moderator that aren't now logged.? There's a major overhaul of the notifications planned, , but only Mark knows the schedule.

Duane

Thank you, Duane

Found "'+owner Messages' page for each member"

but that shows what that person posted to the owners of that group.
Hopefully Mark will be able to add an additional Messages list where all
owner messages would be viewable as a "conversation" as the 'enemy'
calls it.


@"J_Catlady" & "Frances"

There are 6 moderators and 2 owners in that group.
Instead of CC'ing everyone when communicating amongst each other it
would be nice to have a second (folder for) Messages in the left margin
to keep a record accessible to group management only.

Arno


Re: Messages List for Owners/Moderators Only

Arno Martens
 

Sun, 10 Dec 2017 11:33:17 -0800, "Duane" <txpigeon@...>, wrote:

Unfortunately, there's currently not a single place to see all the messages.? You have to look at "Frances".? There have been several requests on beta@ to have an overall view and include replies by the owner/moderator that aren't now logged.? There's a major overhaul of the notifications planned, , but only Mark knows the schedule.

Duane

Thank you, Duane

Some times I am even denser than at other times but I cannot find the
"'+owner Messages' page for each member".


@"J_Catlady" & "Frances"

There are 6 moderators and 2 owners in that group.
Instead of CC'ing everyone when communicating amongst each other it
would be nice to have a second (folder for) Messages in the left margin
to keep a record accessible to group management only.

Arno


Re: timezone in digests

 

Jonathan,

It isn't my settings that matter, but those of one of the members of
the group. Is there any way I can check this?
No, the user's timezone is part of their account information, not available to group moderators.

Perhaps a suggestion could be made (in beta@) to include a display of the member's timezone in their subscription page, Membership tab. (available through the Members list). Like their User Name it wouldn't be appropriate to let a group owner or moderator change it, but displaying it might be ok.

Shal


Re: timezone in digests

 

Jonathan,

When I go there it seems to be asking for a password. I don't
recall ever setting any passwords.
You might not have. You can log in by clicking "Email me a link to log in" and never bother to set a password. The emailed link will log you in for 30 days.

How do I find out what this is?
There's no way to find out what your password is. You can set one (or reset it) using the emailed log-in link, as above, or by clicking the "Forgot your password?" link.

So does every member of the list need to set their timezone?
Yes. I thought that the timezone was automatically detected when each user first logs in, or maybe the first time they post. But maybe not. And it wouldn't help a digest user who hasn't logged in or posted yet anyway.

Shal