Perhaps group owners could have an option to disable the Unlike button if they don't think it fits the character of their group. Or disable the Like button for that matter...

A less charged term could also be used: Yea/Nay? Pro/Con? Or just Thumbs Up and Thumbs Down...

Drew



On 10/26/17 05:14, J_Catlady wrote:

There is no unlike button in many media for the simple reason that it can get nasty. I would not want an unlike button in groups.io.
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J,

I think it was Shal who posted the link explaining why even Facebook eliminated it.

I don't recall. In any case Facebook has moved on to offering icons to express one's reaction:



They to are not anonymous. You can hover on them to see who has clicked which.

Shal

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 02:05 pm, Duane wrote:

I don't think that has, or should have, anything to do with what may be on Groups.io

And I think it should. My point is that the civilized sites eliminated dislikes long ago, and for good reason. I think it was Shal who posted the link explaining why even Facebook eliminated it.
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J

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 01:55 pm, Arno Martens wrote:

I am against saying NO without giving a reason.

IMO non-anonymous dislikes would create even more hostility than anonymous ones. I'm with Arno on this.
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J

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 12:51 pm, J_Catlady wrote:

Can someone name some platforms (besides the odious, troll-ridden craigslist
forums) that have an unlike as well as a like button

I don't think that has, or should have, anything to do with what may be on Groups.io This is a whole new concept in a groups site, so shouldn't be limited by what is or isn't present elsewhere. If Mark limited this site to what was previously available, there would have been no reason to start it.

Duane

Thank you, Shal,

The 'anonymous' was added as an after thought just before sending.
I am against saying NO without giving a reason.
Better still, offer an alternative.

Arno

Cathy,

I am clicking on the calender and nothing is showing up.

If you are not currently logged in to the site you cannot add entries to a group's calender even if you can see it (calendars can be publicly viewable).

If you are not an owner/mod of the group it is possible that the group's calendar setting does not allow members to create events.

The settings are:

o Public can view, Subscribers can view and edit
o Subscribers can view and edit
o Public and subscribers can view, moderators can edit
o Subscribers can view, moderators can edit
o Subscribers cannot view, moderators can edit
o Calendar is disabled

Otherwise I can't think of a reason that clicking in the calendar wouldn't bring up the page to create or edit an event.

Shal

Arno,

Just being an anonymous naysayer does not further any cause.

Likes are not anonymous in Groups.io - you can click on a link to see a list of who liked the post. I would expect that unlikes would not be anonymous either.

I don't know if that affects your evaluation of the proposed unlike feature, but it may tend to reduce the willy-nilly use of unlike.

Shal

I think a better venue for this conversation/debate would be the beta group, so that Mark can see the responses. I am very strongly against an Unlike button. All of the better media either never had one or have gotten rid of it by now, for what I think are obvious reasons.
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J

I feel an "Unlike" option should not be there.

I don't think posts should be treated as polls.
If one disagrees with an idea, one should post and reply why ones
thoughts are different.

Just being an anonymous naysayer does not further any cause.
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Cheers,
Arno


Wed, 25 Oct 2017 23:37:27 -0400, "Drew AF2Z" <pubx1@...>, wrote:

Actually, it would be quite useful to have an unlike button. Why only a
thumbs up? There should be a thumbs down also.

Clicking thumbs down would cancel one thumbs up. Every post would be a
poll, with the final tally registering a democratic judgement yay or
nay. This would be a little more participatory for people who don't want
to post a negative comment but would nevertheless like to register an
opinion a little stronger than the only current alternative, namely to
ignore.

Drew

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Can someone name some platforms (besides the odious, troll-ridden craigslist forums) that have an unlike as well as a like button? Facebook got rid of it a long time ago. The news outlets don't have it. Where does this feature exist, currently??
J

Bob,

If you think that the pittance Premium and Enterprise groups pay for
the services we all receive, you are wrong.

That's not what Mark himself says.

He has stated a couple of times that Groups.io is already operating in the black and he expects that to get stronger over time. I wouldn't be surprised if that statement excludes compensation to himself - that he may consider his "sweat equity".

Yet we insistently yammer that we need and are entitled to more!
more! more!

Ginny's proposal, and mine, is that groups that want more pay for it.

I don't propose it as an entitlement or charity, I'm hopeful that Mark can set a price for extra storage that covers its direct and indirect costs, with money left over to contribute to the support of free (basic plan) services and Groups.io as a whole.

Shal

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Drew,

As for rarely bothering to look for it, that is the current situation.

I'm hoping that the long-awaited "notification overhaul" will include an option to receive an email notification when someone likes (or unlikes) a message of yours.

Right now the likes have too little visibility on the web as well. Which is one of the reasons I've proposed "has likes" (among others) as a message filter to go with the existing date range filter. But the more complete solution for the web is that a like on one of your messages (or other content) should be in your online list of notifications, however that is presented.

Shal

On 26 Oct 2017 at 9:06, Dave Sergeant wrote:

Unless it was included in the email versions as well it would be pretty
meaningless. Even if it were, most of us who read the emails rarely bother
to look for such things.

Well, the "like" or "+1" is implemented via email. Seems like the "unlike"
or "-1" could be done just as easily.

And email-only readers wouldn't see either. Very little difference from the
existing feature, except that it would balance the ability to like and dislike.

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Jim
Poston@...

<< Shake well before using. >>

Having an email mechanism for Like and Unlike is a separate issue.

As for rarely bothering to look for it, that is the current situation. Having a balanced system (Like & Unlike), however implemented, might at least prove more engaging to users.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 10/26/17 04:06, Dave Sergeant wrote:

Unless it was included in the email versions as well it would be pretty
meaningless. Even if it were, most of us who read the emails rarely
bother to look for such things.
Dave

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There is no unlike button in many media for the simple reason that it can get nasty. I would not want an unlike button in groups.io.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1@...> wrote:

Actually, it would be quite useful to have an unlike button. Why only a thumbs up? There should be a thumbs down also.

Clicking thumbs down would cancel one thumbs up. Every post would be a poll, with the final tally registering a democratic judgement yay or nay. This would be a little more participatory for people who don't want to post a negative comment but would nevertheless like to register an opinion a little stronger than the only current alternative, namely to ignore.

Drew

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Thank you for asking, Shal
If you? think that the pittance Premium and Enterprise groups pay for the services we all receive, you are wrong.
We are Mark's favorite charity? and he works full time for our benefit, as a volunteer
Mark has given us so much for absolutely no charge; more than available anywhere else for our needs.
Yet we insistently yammer that we need and are entitled to more!? more! more!

I WOULD SO TOTALLY UNLIKE THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION.
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Bob Bellizzi

The Corneal Dystrophy Foundation active i

I brought this up over 2 years ago in beta@ when the Like function was first introduced. There was a lot of discussion, but I don't think a final decision on any changes was ever made. I now find myself using Like to agree with a post instead of a 'me, too' or 'thanks' post being needed, but I'd still like to see alternatives.


Duane