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Would you oil the wood?


Joseph S. Wisniewski
 

Mike McArthur <mikemc@...> wrote:

I don't want to stomp on anyone's feet, but my Dad is a woodturner by
trade and although I don't know a huge amount about such things myself
(except that it took him an hour to make a beautiful Kauri cleaning rod
for my flute, an enormous amount of work went into it), I DO recall him
clearly telling me a number of times to never put olive oil onto wooden
items. Ordinary vegetable oil is OK but apparently olive oil tends to
cause the wood to discolour and gives bowls a horrible taste.
I don't want to step on anyone's feet either, but people have been putting
olive oil on musical instruments for hundreds of years, and it really
hasn't been a problem to date.

Olive oil is not a great tasting oil, but you should compare it to flax
oil (that's what health food people call linseed oil, a popular
woodturner's oil).

On a more serious note, any oil you use on a flute should have some
vitamin E added to it. This will prevent discolorations, rancid smells,
etc. One of my favorite oil mixes is equal parts almond oil and olive oil.
You want the purest, cleanest oils availiable. In the UK, you should have
no trouble finding medical grade olive and almond oil at a pharmacy. I
usually add the juice from one vitamin E capsule to 1 ounce (30ml or
125MHz or 72kG or 12 fathoms) of oil.

In the US, you can buy "sweet oil" at the pharmacy, which is ultra clean,
virtually oderless, olive oil. I mix this with Hain brand almond oil
(cleanest looking almond oil I've been able to find).

Some people oil bores with pure almond oil, others use pure linseed oil.
Remember, you must always use RAW linseed oil. BOILED linseed oil contains
toxic chemicals, and hardens to a laquer like coating in the flute bore.
Other popular oils include walnut oil and peanut oil. Mineral oils,
vaseline, and WD40 are to be avoided, as is dunking the flute in beer or
just pouring it through the bore (a common Irish flutist custom, believe
it or not).

If the instrument has any keys and pads, you must be extra careful not to
get oil on the pads.

I hope you dont intend drinking from your flute, but discolouration
would be annoying. The reason probably has to do with olive oils low
'freezing' point.
For recorders, you must periodically suck in on the flute to clear the
windway, so you will definatly taste your oil. You clear a baroque flute
the same way. First time I gave a silver Boehm flute a quick suck to clear
the headjoint, I thought I was going to be sick. The silver residue tastes
horrible!


Joseph S. Wisniewski | The views expressed are my own, and don't reflect
Ford Motor Company | those of the Ford Motor Co. or affiliates.
Project Sapphire | Trans Am, Daytona, Bonneville, and IROC are just
jwisniew@... | races, won by people driving Ford cars!


Sandi and Richard Schmidt
 

Joseph Said>>>>For recorders, you must periodically suck in on the flute
to clear the
windy, so you will definatly taste your oil. You clear a baroque flute
the same way. First time I gave a silver Boehm flute a quick suck to
clear
the headjoint, I thought I was going to be sick. The silver residue
tastes
horrible!<<<<

Haha, that reminds me of the time I went to tune tune an ocarina and it
wouldn't blow so I looked in the mouthpiece ant there were little spider
legs waving at me. Yuck. I just sat the whole thing out in the
garden. Poor little thing probably thought he was caught in a tornado.
One guy sent an ocarina back to us and said it didnt work, on closer
examination there was a bit of a cheeto or some other orange colored
cracker in the air way. Oh, sigh, the laments of and ocarina maker.

About the olive oil, I guess it is a matter of opinion but I have heard
the wooden spoon maker, Jim Wilson tell people for 15 years that he
finishes his spoons in olive oil. I will have to ask Romy what he
thinks He has been making Bamboo Flutes for a long time and he is very
persnickety. (Is that a word?) I like your formula Joseph, you
probably ought to market it. "J.W.'s Essential Super Duper Flute
Toot'n Oil." Quit your day job and hit all the folk music festivals.
No?
Who else oils on this list, and with what?
Max did you try it or not?

Down to the clay pit goeth I.

Adios
Sandi


 

As far as I know, Olwell bamboo flutes are pre-oiled(at least they
appear to be...). One thing that has concerned me about oiling mine,
is that the bore seems a bit rough(probably the nature of bamboo).
One would want to be very careful not to apply the oil to excess,
because it would be difficult to sop it all back up. Yet, if you
applied the oil lightly, you'd only end up oiling the lumps...
Therefore, I haven't oiled mine, and it seems ok(but like I've said, I
keep my house moist...(better for me, my instruments, and my husband's
equipment)
Also, be very sure not to use a *fuzzy*, or *fluffy* cloth.
Having done this once on an instrument, I'll just say, one doesn't do
it twice.
On a more serious note, any oil you use on a flute should have some
vitamin E added to it.
Good idea. Never thought of it... I never had a problem with
rancid smells, but then once I start oiling an instrument, I keep to a
regular routine, which each time probably removes some of the old oil.
I mean, it'd have to, because where would all that oil go? Sooner or
later the wood is going to have reached it's saturation point, and not
all of it gets rubbed off.
Hehehe, I have to admit, it gives me a certain pleasure to think
that perhaps that recorder got stinky(my wooden recorder was stolen a
few years ago). ;-)

Hain brand almond oil
(cleanest looking almond oil I've been able to find).
That's what I used to use. I came to like the almond oil better
than the olive oil. Wasn't available in our regular grocery stores
back then, but it was in our local natural food. Don't know if that
is still the case, as I am not currently oiling any instruments. One
of our local grocery stores has improved, and the natural food store
went down-hill, so I might try that grocery store the next time I need
good almond oil. :-(

Other popular oils include walnut oil and peanut oil. Mineral oils,
vaseline, and WD40 are to be avoided, as is dunking the flute in beer or
just pouring it through the bore (a common Irish flutist custom, believe
it or not).
Ewwwww. Have people really used vaseline and WD40? I suppose I
could see someone thinking baby-oil(mineral oil) was ok. Beer isn't
going to happen unless I have some old cracked instrument that I don't
care much if I ruin.

I hope you dont intend drinking from your flute, but discolouration
would be annoying. The reason probably has to do with olive oils low
'freezing' point.
Hmmm, I wonder if my olivewood flute will discolor over time? I
was also wondering if it was necessary to oil olivewood. I'm not
familiar with the wood, just the oil and the fruit...which puts me in
the mind of butter, which makes me think the wood is soft and greasy
to begin with, which I'm sure is a false impression...isn't it funny
how we get these ideas. :-)

For recorders, you must periodically suck in on the flute to clear the
windway, so you will definatly taste your oil. You clear a baroque flute
the same way. First time I gave a silver Boehm flute a quick suck to clear
the headjoint, I thought I was going to be sick. The silver residue tastes
horrible!
Ewwwww, nasty!!!! I never suck on it, but rather blow in
reverse. When I clear a windway on a recorder, I take the headjoint
off, seal the fipple-hole with the palm of my hand, and blow on the
open joint end. With a flute, take the headjoint off, turn it so the
embouchure hole is facing the ground, and blow from the oposite end.
It seems to work... Is there an advantage to sucking? Obviously,
blowing adds more moisture to the situation, but it's on the oposite
and more open end, so doesn't seem to cause a problem.
I loan most of my instruments out to others, so I don't think I
can think about sucking on them without getting really sick at the
thought. :-P


Lynn Hutchins petra@... ICQ#1734957(Tibicia)
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Hi Folks!!

Well in at the deep end so to speak.

I am certain that coming in late on this topic, due to my long absence
from the list, some other erudite person...like Joe W.....has pointed out
the purpose and history of oiling wooden flutes and recorders.

The historical reason is based on the fact that so many instruments were
made of boxwood...which warps very easily. The instruments were oiled..
not for the wood's sake.. but to line the corpus with an even coating of
a thickish, viscous oil which would allow an even distribution of moisture
after you had pulled it thru/swabbed it.

Expectoration...HELL..spit is spit on this list <<GG>>..needs to run down the
body and not settle in one spot and cause a widening of the bore........
and duff intonation!!

I can not comment on modern seasoned woods...I would think that they need
less...if at all??

I was amazed that someone did not like the taste of olive oil!!

As some of you know I am a fanatical cook and spend as much on a good bottle of
olive oil... extra virgin.. first pressing...(that always sounds rude..) as a
good bottle of wine!!

I never ate salad until I discovered good olive oil. It is like only ever
having drunk blended Scotch....J&B/Bells/Cutty Sark etc...and discovering
single malts......chalk and cheese!!

A lovely American girl brought me a bottle of special Bourbon on WIBB's
courses..."Knob Creek"...OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH!!

Regarding the problems with the windways of recorders (and fipple or
whistle-flutes). Take an eye-dropper. Fill it with washing up liquid...
yep the stuff you do the dishes with...well I do.. being poor and not having a
machine!! Turn the headjoint/instrument upside down and squirt a dropper full
of the liquid TOWARDS the slit you blow thru...ie from the strike edge to the
blowing beak...OK?? Hold your finger over the blowing slit and let the flute
absorb some liquid...say a minute or two. Release the stopping finger and allow
the liquid to flow out of the blowing end. Result?? Your droplets of spit
will flow thru...and cause problems in the small holes instead.....well at
least you will get a sound and not...hubble-bubble-toil-and-trouble!!!

Actually there is a solution to the next problem...have the thumb hole bushed
INTO the bore by about a couple of mms...and the spit just rides on down
on its merry old way,divide like a river over a boulder..not blocking the hole.

Please send me $25 each for this info..........hehehehehehehe..as our
(absent) Wendy would say.

Sensible Uncle Adrian...for once..OK <<GG>>
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--- In flutenet@..., "Joseph S. Wisniewski"
<jwisniew@... wrote:
Mike McArthur <mikemc@s...> wrote:

I don't want to stomp on anyone's feet, but my Dad is a
woodturner by
trade and although I don't know a huge amount about such things
myself
(except that it took him an hour to make a beautiful Kauri
cleaning rod
for my flute, an enormous amount of work went into it), I DO
recall him
clearly telling me a number of times to never put olive oil onto
wooden
items. Ordinary vegetable oil is OK but apparently olive oil
tends to
cause the wood to discolour and gives bowls a horrible taste.
I don't want to step on anyone's feet either, but people have been
putting
olive oil on musical instruments for hundreds of years, and it
really
hasn't been a problem to date.

Olive oil is not a great tasting oil, but you should compare it to
flax
oil (that's what health food people call linseed oil, a popular
woodturner's oil).

On a more serious note, any oil you use on a flute should have some
vitamin E added to it. This will prevent discolorations, rancid
smells,
etc. One of my favorite oil mixes is equal parts almond oil and
olive oil.
You want the purest, cleanest oils availiable. In the UK, you
should have
no trouble finding medical grade olive and almond oil at a
pharmacy. I
usually add the juice from one vitamin E capsule to 1 ounce (30ml
or
125MHz or 72kG or 12 fathoms) of oil.

In the US, you can buy "sweet oil" at the pharmacy, which is ultra
clean,
virtually oderless, olive oil. I mix this with Hain brand almond
oil
(cleanest looking almond oil I've been able to find).

Some people oil bores with pure almond oil, others use pure
linseed oil.
Remember, you must always use RAW linseed oil. BOILED linseed oil
contains
toxic chemicals, and hardens to a laquer like coating in the flute
bore.
Other popular oils include walnut oil and peanut oil. Mineral oils,
vaseline, and WD40 are to be avoided, as is dunking the flute in
beer or
just pouring it through the bore (a common Irish flutist custom,
believe
it or not).

If the instrument has any keys and pads, you must be extra careful
not to
get oil on the pads.

I hope you dont intend drinking from your flute, but
discolouration
would be annoying. The reason probably has to do with olive oils
low
'freezing' point.
For recorders, you must periodically suck in on the flute to clear
the
windway, so you will definatly taste your oil. You clear a baroque
flute
the same way. First time I gave a silver Boehm flute a quick suck
to clear
the headjoint, I thought I was going to be sick. The silver
residue tastes
horrible!


Joseph S. Wisniewski | The views expressed are my own, and don't
reflect
Ford Motor Company | those of the Ford Motor Co. or
affiliates.
Project Sapphire | Trans Am, Daytona, Bonneville, and IROC
are just
jwisniew@f... | races, won by people driving Ford cars!


Keith Pettway
 

Welcome back Joe! Where have you been? I getting oil confused, Who is DebHagan? <GGG>
Cheers!!
Papa Smurf (who plays metal so he doesn't have to worry about it)

At 08:26 PM 3/15/2004 +0000, you wrote:
Joseph S. Wisniewski | The views expressed are my own, and don't
reflect
Ford Motor Company
Dr. Keith Pettway
Professor of Flute
Delta State University


Dean Stallard
 

Dean Stallard
URL;
FlutewiseNorge;

I DO
recall him
clearly telling me a number of times to never put olive oil onto
wooden
items. Ordinary vegetable oil is OK but apparently olive oil
tends to
cause the wood to discolour and gives bowls a horrible taste.
Over here in Europe we tend to like the taste of olive oil, especially
virgin Italian;-) I use olive oi lon items I use in the kitchen simply
beacuse I like the odour when preparing food.


I don't want to step on anyone's feet either, but people have been
putting
olive oil on musical instruments for hundreds of years, and it
really
hasn't been a problem to date.
However olive oil is not as good for instruments as many other oils. This
has to do with the polymer content which is quite low in olive oil. Other
oils are better because over several applications they will build up a
protective polymer layer, sealing the instrument against excessive moisture
as well as protecting it from minor knocks and bangs. The oils that have
some of the highest content of polymers are linseed (which is why we use it
for cricket bats) and almond oil (which doesn`t stink like an artists
studio). I seem to remember that peanut oil is also very good, but not being
American I don`t use it for cooking or my piccolo<G>

Dean


mcelweewhite
 

--- In flutenet@..., "Dean Stallard" <stallard@p...> wrote:
I seem to remember that peanut oil is also very good, but not being
American I don`t use it for cooking or my piccolo<G>
It's been a long day. At first glance, I read that as "...cooking my
piccolo."

It might make a nice dish if you added a bit of chili oil and
garnished with green onions.

Best,
Lisa


Keith Pettway
 

Same here in Mississippi Dean (at least in my house). I would have trouble cooking without olive oil and garlic. <GGG> However the idea of the smell of rancid olive oil on an instrument is - well - less that appetizing.
Chez Papa Smurf

At 10:19 PM 3/15/2004 +0100, you wrote:

Over here in Europe we tend to like the taste of olive oil, especially
virgin Italian;-) I use olive oi lon items I use in the kitchen simply
beacuse I like the odour when preparing food.
Dr. Keith Pettway
Professor of Flute
Delta State University


Robert Neville
 

But if you cook the piccolo in olive oil, don't you get the famous
Mediterranean Flute Fry?

Robert

--- In flutenet@..., Keith Pettway <kpettway@d...> wrote:
Same here in Mississippi Dean (at least in my house). I
would
have trouble cooking without olive oil and garlic. <GGG> However
the idea
of the smell of rancid olive oil on an instrument is - well - less
that
appetizing.
Chez Papa Smurf

At 10:19 PM 3/15/2004 +0100, you wrote: