On Jul 31, 2023, at 7:58 PM, Reynolds McClatchey <rey@...> wrote:

? The fork fingering is to make a half step. ?leave open one hole before a lower one.

The open g# key enables the Eb2 harmonic to be Eb3. The sound will be twice higher - an octave. The tube length for Eb2 becomes two lengths of Eb3 by having the g#

Open and interrupts the Eb2.

Violins half the string length by soft touching the string at half length to make a

Next octave.

Your flute embouchure is also required for the Eb3 where ever the fingers are.

So after you get happy with the Eb3 while fingering Eb2; then try opening the g#

While you have Eb2 fingering and see how it sounds.

Eb3 may then seem easier.

?

From Reynolds McClatchey on iPad

On Jul 31, 2023, at 7:35 PM, Amanda Shevitski via groups.io <amanda.shevitski@...> wrote:

? hey guys. What's going on? Oh my goodness! It just started pouring down rain over here where I live. I live in Florida. I live in a city called Pinellas Park. It's not too far from Tampa. By the way, the type of fingering that most of you are describing is known as the fork method with the flute. It's more of a Baroque way of playing. With the help of Miss Alice this morning, I discovered that I can literally split some of the notes. For example, the E flat that was giving me so much trouble, is able to be split. Same with the middle D. Anyway, the fork method with the flute is really hard to do. The only digit on my hands that stretch is a little bit more than the others is my thumb. I have a double joint in each of my thumbs. My other fingers only have a single joint, and so they can stretch about an octave. I can stretch about an octave or so on the piano with both hands. The fork method of playing the flute is really hard to do. It's really cool that I can split some of the notes.

On Jul 31, 2023, at 7:29 PM, sandy.sexton via groups.io <sandy.sexton@...> wrote:

?

You are so right, Papa.? I have such strong and happy thoughts of so many flute nutters.? Glenn was such a wonderful guy.? I loved Jen’s stories about life with the Countess.? Adrian was always so willing to give good advice, and you have always been there with your own brand of gentle encouragement.? Hooray for flutenet!? But then there were those piccolo haters….

?

Hugs,

Sandy (with ducks)

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Keith Pettway
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 10:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Flutenet] Some comments on open G#

?

Thank you LIsa. It is nice to remember some of our old group friends. We really cared about one another.

?

Papa Smurf/Keith

?

On Jul 31, 2023, at 7:35 PM, Amanda Shevitski via groups.io <amanda.shevitski@...> wrote:

? hey guys. What's going on? Oh my goodness! It just started pouring down rain over here where I live. I live in Florida. I live in a city called Pinellas Park. It's not too far from Tampa. By the way, the type of fingering that most of you are describing is known as the fork method with the flute. It's more of a Baroque way of playing. With the help of Miss Alice this morning, I discovered that I can literally split some of the notes. For example, the E flat that was giving me so much trouble, is able to be split. Same with the middle D. Anyway, the fork method with the flute is really hard to do. The only digit on my hands that stretch is a little bit more than the others is my thumb. I have a double joint in each of my thumbs. My other fingers only have a single joint, and so they can stretch about an octave. I can stretch about an octave or so on the piano with both hands. The fork method of playing the flute is really hard to do. It's really cool that I can split some of the notes.

On Jul 31, 2023, at 7:29 PM, sandy.sexton via groups.io <sandy.sexton@...> wrote:

?

You are so right, Papa.? I have such strong and happy thoughts of so many flute nutters.? Glenn was such a wonderful guy.? I loved Jen’s stories about life with the Countess.? Adrian was always so willing to give good advice, and you have always been there with your own brand of gentle encouragement.? Hooray for flutenet!? But then there were those piccolo haters….

?

Hugs,

Sandy (with ducks)

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Keith Pettway
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 10:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Flutenet] Some comments on open G#

?

Thank you LIsa. It is nice to remember some of our old group friends. We really cared about one another.

?

Papa Smurf/Keith

?

On Jul 31, 2023, at 7:29 PM, sandy.sexton via groups.io <sandy.sexton@...> wrote:

?

You are so right, Papa.? I have such strong and happy thoughts of so many flute nutters.? Glenn was such a wonderful guy.? I loved Jen’s stories about life with the Countess.? Adrian was always so willing to give good advice, and you have always been there with your own brand of gentle encouragement.? Hooray for flutenet!? But then there were those piccolo haters….

?

Hugs,

Sandy (with ducks)

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Keith Pettway
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 10:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Flutenet] Some comments on open G#

?

Thank you LIsa. It is nice to remember some of our old group friends. We really cared about one another.

?

Papa Smurf/Keith

?

?

Amanda, keep working on those tiny little mouth muscles, and you’ll get there.

Alice

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 7:58 AM Amanda Shevitski <amanda.shevitski@...> wrote:

wow! I had my consultation with Alice this morning. I was a little late, because I didn't realize that it would take a little bit of time for me to get back from my work out. Luckily, it is not a Flute problem. It is my armor sure. Luckily, I can split the E flat, which is very rare. Not many people can. Anyhow, splitting the E flat is easier than trying the fork fingering. I was trying my best, but it wasn't working for me. I can split my D as well. That's pretty cool. Anyhow, my workout went well today.?

On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:32 AM, Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

?

Thank you LIsa. It is nice to remember some of our old group friends. We really cared about one another.

Papa Smurf/Keith

On 7/30/2023 6:29 PM, Lesa Walter via wrote:

Hi Pappa Smurf,

I'm sorry to say that Brian is gone. But what a wonderful life he had! He gave so much to so many of us, even far away who never got to meet him in person. I miss his dear old soul. Below is his obit published by the equestrian community in Malawi:

IN MEMORIAM: BRIAN BURGESS (GBR), 1931-2014?

11 Feb 2014

Brian Burgess (GBR), Vice President of the Malawi Equestrian Federation and President between 2001-2003, has died at the age of 82. He passed away peacefully just before his 83rd birthday at home with his family on the Zomba Plateau in Malawi, where he had lived for nearly 40 years.

He took up Dressage while working as an officer in the British army and police force in the 1970s, and his passion for the discipline led him to the Spanish Riding School in Vienna (AUT) where he was trained by Hans Riegler (GER) and Arthur Kottas-Heldenberg (AUT).

He moved to Malawi in 1953, and with his wife Jayn Burgess (GBR), daughter Zoe Kayes (MAW), Deborah Murphy (GBR), Katherine Paul (GBR) and Diane Pieterse (RSA) founded the Malawi Equestrian Federation. He also set up the Plateau Stables, Malawi’s first Dressage instruction and residential training centre, with a string of Lipizzaners.

During the 1980s and 1990s, he travelled extensively in neighbouring countries to judge and train riders, and also further afield including to New Zealand.

"My father lived an exceptional life doing what he loved best”, commented his daughter Zoe Kayes and President of the Malawi Equestrian Federation. “He was also a keen musician, which was part of his love for Dressage and rhythm. Certainly for myself I have not only lost a father but my trainer and my mentor. He was a huge inspiration for us all in the Dressage community here in Malawi and will be very sorely missed”.

The FEI extends its sincere condolences to Brian Burgess' family, to the equestrian community in Malawi and to his many friends around the world.

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 03:32:08 PM MDT, Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

Yes, What a wonderful, colorful (or should I say "colourful?). Wonder if he is still with us on this earth?

Cheers!!

Papa Smurf/Keith

On 7/30/2023 4:19 PM, AliceFlute wrote:

And don’t forget our longtime old friend Brian in Africa, who signed his posts with O’pengis! Miss that old guy!

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 1:57 PM Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

Hello Folks - here is a brief background on the open G#. When Boehm
redesigned the flute in 1847, he wanted an open G#, not closed. The
closed G# caused many problems (especially on E3) that do not happen
with an open G#. So what happened that caused 99% of modern "Boehm"
system flutes to use closed G#? The bottom line - MONEY. The old system
flutes used a closed G3, and the players that had learned on the old
system flutes were reluctant to relearn fingering. Makers of the modern
Boehm flutes could sell more flutes if they had a closed G3 so...

There are not many flutists left that use open G# flutes. My mentor, and
friend William Bennett (WIBB), who left this earth a year ago May, was
one of the last (at least one of the last I know of) to totally use the
open G#. All of the flutes he performed on were either original open G#,
or he had them converted to open G#. I always was honored but quit
panicked when he shoved one of his flutes toward me with the words
"here, try this flute". I knew what to do, but it really scrambled my
brain to do it!

Cheers!
Papa Smurf/Keith

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On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:00 AM, AliceFlute <aliceflute@...> wrote:

?

“贰尘产辞耻肠丑耻谤别”

On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 7:58 AM Amanda Shevitski <amanda.shevitski@...> wrote:

wow! I had my consultation with Alice this morning. I was a little late, because I didn't realize that it would take a little bit of time for me to get back from my work out. Luckily, it is not a Flute problem. It is my armor sure. Luckily, I can split the E flat, which is very rare. Not many people can. Anyhow, splitting the E flat is easier than trying the fork fingering. I was trying my best, but it wasn't working for me. I can split my D as well. That's pretty cool. Anyhow, my workout went well today.?

On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:32 AM, Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

?

Thank you LIsa. It is nice to remember some of our old group friends. We really cared about one another.

Papa Smurf/Keith

On 7/30/2023 6:29 PM, Lesa Walter via wrote:

Hi Pappa Smurf,

I'm sorry to say that Brian is gone. But what a wonderful life he had! He gave so much to so many of us, even far away who never got to meet him in person. I miss his dear old soul. Below is his obit published by the equestrian community in Malawi:

IN MEMORIAM: BRIAN BURGESS (GBR), 1931-2014?

11 Feb 2014

Brian Burgess (GBR), Vice President of the Malawi Equestrian Federation and President between 2001-2003, has died at the age of 82. He passed away peacefully just before his 83rd birthday at home with his family on the Zomba Plateau in Malawi, where he had lived for nearly 40 years.

He took up Dressage while working as an officer in the British army and police force in the 1970s, and his passion for the discipline led him to the Spanish Riding School in Vienna (AUT) where he was trained by Hans Riegler (GER) and Arthur Kottas-Heldenberg (AUT).

He moved to Malawi in 1953, and with his wife Jayn Burgess (GBR), daughter Zoe Kayes (MAW), Deborah Murphy (GBR), Katherine Paul (GBR) and Diane Pieterse (RSA) founded the Malawi Equestrian Federation. He also set up the Plateau Stables, Malawi’s first Dressage instruction and residential training centre, with a string of Lipizzaners.

During the 1980s and 1990s, he travelled extensively in neighbouring countries to judge and train riders, and also further afield including to New Zealand.

"My father lived an exceptional life doing what he loved best”, commented his daughter Zoe Kayes and President of the Malawi Equestrian Federation. “He was also a keen musician, which was part of his love for Dressage and rhythm. Certainly for myself I have not only lost a father but my trainer and my mentor. He was a huge inspiration for us all in the Dressage community here in Malawi and will be very sorely missed”.

The FEI extends its sincere condolences to Brian Burgess' family, to the equestrian community in Malawi and to his many friends around the world.

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 03:32:08 PM MDT, Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

Yes, What a wonderful, colorful (or should I say "colourful?). Wonder if he is still with us on this earth?

Cheers!!

Papa Smurf/Keith

On 7/30/2023 4:19 PM, AliceFlute wrote:

And don’t forget our longtime old friend Brian in Africa, who signed his posts with O’pengis! Miss that old guy!

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 1:57 PM Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

Hello Folks - here is a brief background on the open G#. When Boehm
redesigned the flute in 1847, he wanted an open G#, not closed. The
closed G# caused many problems (especially on E3) that do not happen
with an open G#. So what happened that caused 99% of modern "Boehm"
system flutes to use closed G#? The bottom line - MONEY. The old system
flutes used a closed G3, and the players that had learned on the old
system flutes were reluctant to relearn fingering. Makers of the modern
Boehm flutes could sell more flutes if they had a closed G3 so...

There are not many flutists left that use open G# flutes. My mentor, and
friend William Bennett (WIBB), who left this earth a year ago May, was
one of the last (at least one of the last I know of) to totally use the
open G#. All of the flutes he performed on were either original open G#,
or he had them converted to open G#. I always was honored but quit
panicked when he shoved one of his flutes toward me with the words
"here, try this flute". I knew what to do, but it really scrambled my
brain to do it!

Cheers!
Papa Smurf/Keith

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On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:32 AM, Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

?

Thank you LIsa. It is nice to remember some of our old group friends. We really cared about one another.

Papa Smurf/Keith

On 7/30/2023 6:29 PM, Lesa Walter via groups.io wrote:

Hi Pappa Smurf,

I'm sorry to say that Brian is gone. But what a wonderful life he had! He gave so much to so many of us, even far away who never got to meet him in person. I miss his dear old soul. Below is his obit published by the equestrian community in Malawi:

IN MEMORIAM: BRIAN BURGESS (GBR), 1931-2014?

11 Feb 2014

Brian Burgess (GBR), Vice President of the Malawi Equestrian Federation and President between 2001-2003, has died at the age of 82. He passed away peacefully just before his 83rd birthday at home with his family on the Zomba Plateau in Malawi, where he had lived for nearly 40 years.

He took up Dressage while working as an officer in the British army and police force in the 1970s, and his passion for the discipline led him to the Spanish Riding School in Vienna (AUT) where he was trained by Hans Riegler (GER) and Arthur Kottas-Heldenberg (AUT).

He moved to Malawi in 1953, and with his wife Jayn Burgess (GBR), daughter Zoe Kayes (MAW), Deborah Murphy (GBR), Katherine Paul (GBR) and Diane Pieterse (RSA) founded the Malawi Equestrian Federation. He also set up the Plateau Stables, Malawi’s first Dressage instruction and residential training centre, with a string of Lipizzaners.

During the 1980s and 1990s, he travelled extensively in neighbouring countries to judge and train riders, and also further afield including to New Zealand.

"My father lived an exceptional life doing what he loved best”, commented his daughter Zoe Kayes and President of the Malawi Equestrian Federation. “He was also a keen musician, which was part of his love for Dressage and rhythm. Certainly for myself I have not only lost a father but my trainer and my mentor. He was a huge inspiration for us all in the Dressage community here in Malawi and will be very sorely missed”.

The FEI extends its sincere condolences to Brian Burgess' family, to the equestrian community in Malawi and to his many friends around the world.

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 03:32:08 PM MDT, Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

Yes, What a wonderful, colorful (or should I say "colourful?). Wonder if he is still with us on this earth?

Cheers!!

Papa Smurf/Keith

On 7/30/2023 4:19 PM, AliceFlute wrote:

And don’t forget our longtime old friend Brian in Africa, who signed his posts with O’pengis! Miss that old guy!

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 1:57 PM Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

Hello Folks - here is a brief background on the open G#. When Boehm
redesigned the flute in 1847, he wanted an open G#, not closed. The
closed G# caused many problems (especially on E3) that do not happen
with an open G#. So what happened that caused 99% of modern "Boehm"
system flutes to use closed G#? The bottom line - MONEY. The old system
flutes used a closed G3, and the players that had learned on the old
system flutes were reluctant to relearn fingering. Makers of the modern
Boehm flutes could sell more flutes if they had a closed G3 so...

There are not many flutists left that use open G# flutes. My mentor, and
friend William Bennett (WIBB), who left this earth a year ago May, was
one of the last (at least one of the last I know of) to totally use the
open G#. All of the flutes he performed on were either original open G#,
or he had them converted to open G#. I always was honored but quit
panicked when he shoved one of his flutes toward me with the words
"here, try this flute". I knew what to do, but it really scrambled my
brain to do it!

Cheers!
Papa Smurf/Keith

--

Composed on my touchscreen device. Please excuse typos.

Hi Pappa Smurf,

I'm sorry to say that Brian is gone. But what a wonderful life he had! He gave so much to so many of us, even far away who never got to meet him in person. I miss his dear old soul. Below is his obit published by the equestrian community in Malawi:

IN MEMORIAM: BRIAN BURGESS (GBR), 1931-2014?

11 Feb 2014

Brian Burgess (GBR), Vice President of the Malawi Equestrian Federation and President between 2001-2003, has died at the age of 82. He passed away peacefully just before his 83rd birthday at home with his family on the Zomba Plateau in Malawi, where he had lived for nearly 40 years.

He took up Dressage while working as an officer in the British army and police force in the 1970s, and his passion for the discipline led him to the Spanish Riding School in Vienna (AUT) where he was trained by Hans Riegler (GER) and Arthur Kottas-Heldenberg (AUT).

He moved to Malawi in 1953, and with his wife Jayn Burgess (GBR), daughter Zoe Kayes (MAW), Deborah Murphy (GBR), Katherine Paul (GBR) and Diane Pieterse (RSA) founded the Malawi Equestrian Federation. He also set up the Plateau Stables, Malawi’s first Dressage instruction and residential training centre, with a string of Lipizzaners.

During the 1980s and 1990s, he travelled extensively in neighbouring countries to judge and train riders, and also further afield including to New Zealand.

"My father lived an exceptional life doing what he loved best”, commented his daughter Zoe Kayes and President of the Malawi Equestrian Federation. “He was also a keen musician, which was part of his love for Dressage and rhythm. Certainly for myself I have not only lost a father but my trainer and my mentor. He was a huge inspiration for us all in the Dressage community here in Malawi and will be very sorely missed”.

The FEI extends its sincere condolences to Brian Burgess' family, to the equestrian community in Malawi and to his many friends around the world.

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 03:32:08 PM MDT, Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

Yes, What a wonderful, colorful (or should I say "colourful?). Wonder if he is still with us on this earth?

Cheers!!

Papa Smurf/Keith

On 7/30/2023 4:19 PM, AliceFlute wrote:

And don’t forget our longtime old friend Brian in Africa, who signed his posts with O’pengis! Miss that old guy!

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 1:57 PM Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

Hello Folks - here is a brief background on the open G#. When Boehm
redesigned the flute in 1847, he wanted an open G#, not closed. The
closed G# caused many problems (especially on E3) that do not happen
with an open G#. So what happened that caused 99% of modern "Boehm"
system flutes to use closed G#? The bottom line - MONEY. The old system
flutes used a closed G3, and the players that had learned on the old
system flutes were reluctant to relearn fingering. Makers of the modern
Boehm flutes could sell more flutes if they had a closed G3 so...

There are not many flutists left that use open G# flutes. My mentor, and
friend William Bennett (WIBB), who left this earth a year ago May, was
one of the last (at least one of the last I know of) to totally use the
open G#. All of the flutes he performed on were either original open G#,
or he had them converted to open G#. I always was honored but quit
panicked when he shoved one of his flutes toward me with the words
"here, try this flute". I knew what to do, but it really scrambled my
brain to do it!

Cheers!
Papa Smurf/Keith

--

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On Jul 30, 2023, at 7:30 PM, Lesa Walter via groups.io <hootieperch@...> wrote:

?

Hi Pappa Smurf,

I'm sorry to say that Brian is gone. But what a wonderful life he had! He gave so much to so many of us, even far away who never got to meet him in person. I miss his dear old soul. Below is his obit published by the equestrian community in Malawi:

IN MEMORIAM: BRIAN BURGESS (GBR), 1931-2014?

11 Feb 2014

Brian Burgess (GBR), Vice President of the Malawi Equestrian Federation and President between 2001-2003, has died at the age of 82. He passed away peacefully just before his 83rd birthday at home with his family on the Zomba Plateau in Malawi, where he had lived for nearly 40 years.

He took up Dressage while working as an officer in the British army and police force in the 1970s, and his passion for the discipline led him to the Spanish Riding School in Vienna (AUT) where he was trained by Hans Riegler (GER) and Arthur Kottas-Heldenberg (AUT).

He moved to Malawi in 1953, and with his wife Jayn Burgess (GBR), daughter Zoe Kayes (MAW), Deborah Murphy (GBR), Katherine Paul (GBR) and Diane Pieterse (RSA) founded the Malawi Equestrian Federation. He also set up the Plateau Stables, Malawi’s first Dressage instruction and residential training centre, with a string of Lipizzaners.

During the 1980s and 1990s, he travelled extensively in neighbouring countries to judge and train riders, and also further afield including to New Zealand.

"My father lived an exceptional life doing what he loved best”, commented his daughter Zoe Kayes and President of the Malawi Equestrian Federation. “He was also a keen musician, which was part of his love for Dressage and rhythm. Certainly for myself I have not only lost a father but my trainer and my mentor. He was a huge inspiration for us all in the Dressage community here in Malawi and will be very sorely missed”.

The FEI extends its sincere condolences to Brian Burgess' family, to the equestrian community in Malawi and to his many friends around the world.

On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 03:32:08 PM MDT, Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

Yes, What a wonderful, colorful (or should I say "colourful?). Wonder if he is still with us on this earth?

Cheers!!

Papa Smurf/Keith

On 7/30/2023 4:19 PM, AliceFlute wrote:

And don’t forget our longtime old friend Brian in Africa, who signed his posts with O’pengis! Miss that old guy!

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 1:57 PM Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

Hello Folks - here is a brief background on the open G#. When Boehm
redesigned the flute in 1847, he wanted an open G#, not closed. The
closed G# caused many problems (especially on E3) that do not happen
with an open G#. So what happened that caused 99% of modern "Boehm"
system flutes to use closed G#? The bottom line - MONEY. The old system
flutes used a closed G3, and the players that had learned on the old
system flutes were reluctant to relearn fingering. Makers of the modern
Boehm flutes could sell more flutes if they had a closed G3 so...

There are not many flutists left that use open G# flutes. My mentor, and
friend William Bennett (WIBB), who left this earth a year ago May, was
one of the last (at least one of the last I know of) to totally use the
open G#. All of the flutes he performed on were either original open G#,
or he had them converted to open G#. I always was honored but quit
panicked when he shoved one of his flutes toward me with the words
"here, try this flute". I knew what to do, but it really scrambled my
brain to do it!

Cheers!
Papa Smurf/Keith

--

Composed on my touchscreen device. Please excuse typos.

On Jul 30, 2023, at 7:18 PM, Fletcher James <fjames@...> wrote:

?

This could also be due to a leaky pad on your flute. If you have another flutist that you can get together with, simply swap flutes & try to toot a few times. If yours is bad, then they will find the Eb difficult, and you will find it easy.

?

yes. I'm able to play the lowest flat, and the middle E flat. I cannot get my extreme high E flat. Or high high E flat. Sandy, is there a way that I can verbally converse with you? Perhaps via WhatsApp or zoom? If you want, you can privately email me. If that's OK too.

?

Hi Amanda,

???? An open hole flute doesn’t refer to the tone holes in the body of the flute.? It refers to the keys.? An open hole flute has holes in the keys.? The pads underneath are donut shaped (for want of a simple explanation).? You can look through the holes in the keys into the body of the flute.? Some people have trouble getting their fingers in a position to cover the holes in the keys.? If you don’t cover the holes in the keys, the flute won’t play the note you want.? Some people with open hole flutes will put plugs in the holes of the keys.

?

??? Some people prefer to play on a closed hole flute.? The key doesn’t have a hole and the pads underneath are a rounds shape, filling in the underside of the entire key.? Usually, student flutes are closed hole as it’s easier to get the correct notes as finger placement doesn’t have to be as exact.

?

??? Open hole flutes don’t usually have plugs.? The plugs used for open hole flutes are removable and tend to be used if a player has trouble covering the holes in the keys with the fingers.? When a player is new to using an open hole flute, he/she sometimes uses plugs at first and gradually removes them.

?

???? In regard to your 3^rd octave Eb not sounding, maybe there’s a problem with the direction of the air stream leaving your lips.? Are you able to play the notes above the Eb?

?

Regards,

Sandy (with ducks)

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Amanda Shevitski
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2023 12:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Flutenet] Syrinx and fingerings

?

what? I'm a little bit confused. My main Flute I think is an open hole. Stopped by keys, but having pads on the underside of the key which covers the hole. At least I think that's what type of flu I have. Don't open hole flutes usually have plugs on the keys? My Flute has no plugs on the keys. every time I try to do the E flat, it does not come out. I've got four fingers down on the right hand, and four fingers including my thumb on my left hand. That includes my pinky on my right hand. The middle ear flat, is done when you lift your left pointer finger up. Having all your other fingers down. E flat, not ear flat. Sorry.

On Jul 29, 2023, at 9:14 PM, Reynolds McClatchey <rey@...> wrote:

? Maybe her flute as key is g# not ?closed. Needs open with 4 left minder (4 th) open and do not the key open. Make the whole E b open. Need hole open to make e flat.

No 4 fingure do not close that open.

?

?

On Jul 29, 2023, at 7:31 PM, Amanda Shevitski via groups.io <amanda.shevitski@...> wrote:

? well, I'm not sure if my MIO Flute, the one that I play mainly is closed or open hole. The one that I have as a spare is a close hole. I had to have a couple of pads replaced on my main flute recently. Last year I think it was. All All of my fingers are down. For some reason though, the E flat is not coming out properly. Is there a way that I can maybe talk to you verbally??

On Jul 29, 2023, at 1:51 PM, grace larayne <silvermusic@...> wrote:

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Check your right hand fingers carefully to make sure that you aren’t opening a trill key.?

Grace the Bass?

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From: Amanda Shevitski
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 10:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Flutenet] Syrinx and fingerings

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yes. That's what I tried. For some reason, the flat three is simply alluding me. By the way, do you use Zoom or ?WhatsApp? Perhaps you can walk me through it? I'm trying to go by what you're describing. Also, I am so glad that I found a net work of flute players and teachers that I can talk to and converse with. I have tried what you are describing, but this note is simply eluding me. I can do low E flat, middle E flat, but that high E flat is just eluding me. The middle ear flat is the one where you lift up on your left index finger, and the rest of your fingers are down.

On Jul 27, 2023, at 8:42 AM, Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

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Amanda, E flat three should not be difficult. Are you putting down the little finger left hand? E flat is fingered it all the fingers we have on their "home" keys, Left hand thumb, 1, 2, 3, 4 / right hand 1,2,3,4. Does this help?

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On 7/26/2023 8:25 PM, Amanda Shevitski wrote:

I mean E flat three. The one that is above E flat too.

On Jul 26, 2023, at 8:47 PM, Louis Bertrand via groups.io <louis@...> wrote:

?Hi Brent,
Same here, I'm no expert but one thing to check is how your student is holding her flute. Perhaps the pinky is compensating for an unsteady posture.

Louis Bertrand

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On Jul 25, 2023, 7:30 p.m., Brent Eresman via groups.io < beresman2003@...> wrote:

Hi Folks! ?I have not been very active on this site, generally lurking and reading. ?However, I was working with a student today on the Syrinx, and brought cup a question regarding "best practices". ?I would like to check in with the great minds of flute (yes, you!) to see what you think of some advice I have given her.

For the record, my main instrument is clarinet, but I double on flute and saxophone. ?I can play all pretty well (though, as I tell folks, only one at a time...) ?I have had several years of flute lessons as an adult, from a professional here in Dayton. ?

The student in question is a high school student, pretty accomplished. ?The question involves the use (or not) of the Eb pinky key when playing some of the lower notes. ?In bar 16, there is a D natural, followed by an F and E natural, then a Db. ?She was using the Eb pinky key when playing the F and E, then sliding to the Db key. ?I told her to not use the pinky key for those notes. ?The difference is almost nonexistent, and it makes the technique much cleaner. ?Same thing in the next measure.

The other place is bar 22, where I told her to keep her third finger down for the entire last 8 notes. ?It makes it much easier and cleaner. ?

Both of these go against what I was taught (*always* use the "correct" fingerings!), and I told her that, if she goes into music (I think she has better prospects, career-wise, though), she might find resistance to these ideas. ?Basically, I wanted to get folks' reactions, and see what other ideas you might have.

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And don’t forget our longtime old friend Brian in Africa, who signed his posts with O’pengis! Miss that old guy!

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 1:57 PM Keith Pettway <keith@...> wrote:

Hello Folks - here is a brief background on the open G#. When Boehm
redesigned the flute in 1847, he wanted an open G#, not closed. The
closed G# caused many problems (especially on E3) that do not happen
with an open G#. So what happened that caused 99% of modern "Boehm"
system flutes to use closed G#? The bottom line - MONEY. The old system
flutes used a closed G3, and the players that had learned on the old
system flutes were reluctant to relearn fingering. Makers of the modern
Boehm flutes could sell more flutes if they had a closed G3 so...

There are not many flutists left that use open G# flutes. My mentor, and
friend William Bennett (WIBB), who left this earth a year ago May, was
one of the last (at least one of the last I know of) to totally use the
open G#. All of the flutes he performed on were either original open G#,
or he had them converted to open G#. I always was honored but quit
panicked when he shoved one of his flutes toward me with the words
"here, try this flute". I knew what to do, but it really scrambled my
brain to do it!

Cheers!
Papa Smurf/Keith

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