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I was reading in April 2004 archive and found posts stating that anti-
oxidants and cox inhibitors may block the effectiveness of the Budwig
protocol, which would mean that we shouldn't be taking many vitamins
and minerals and not curcumin, turmeric, holy basil etc. We should
keep our wholesome (vegan) diets, fo/cc and fs, sunshine, and that is
all.

Any comments?

Paul,
please give the message number(s) for reference.

Wilhelm

On another subject....does anyone know the relationship of the increase of
PSA numbers and lowering level of albumin? Since low levels of albumin have
been linked to all cancers it is assumed that this could be a sure way of
determining cancer by watching these two numbers? If anyone has any
documented information in this regard, I would appreciate it.

Thanks
Ed

Wilhelm,
Here are the references to the use of anti-oxidants and Budwig
Protocol. ( 17583, 938, 1907 and more )
I haven't found the references to the cox inhibitors. The post
concluded that the action of the cox inhibitors was the action
required to use omega 3 properly. I think I remember it being posted
by Greg Watson. But I have yet to find it.

Paul
--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Wilhelm Hansen" <wilhelmh@t...>
wrote:

Paul,
please give the message number(s) for reference.

Wilhelm

Wilhelm,
Here is the reference to the cox inhibitors. ( 17548 ) Also
referenced in that post is this table



My question would be this, since curcumin and turmeric are both cox2
inhibitors, does that interfere with omega 3 oils? I have read that
the cox2 is the "bad" one,(even though we need them in a healthy
body) in a cancerous body and that cox1 is good. Which one actually
is used for omega 3 utilization.
Paul


--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Wilhelm Hansen" <wilhelmh@t...>
wrote:

Paul,
please give the message number(s) for reference.

Wilhelm

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Paul Cates" <paerca@h...> wrote:

I was reading in April 2004 archive and found posts stating that anti-
oxidants and cox inhibitors may block the effectiveness of the Budwig
protocol, which would mean that we shouldn't be taking many vitamins
and minerals and not curcumin, turmeric, holy basil etc. We should
keep our wholesome (vegan) diets, fo/cc and fs, sunshine, and that is
all.

Any comments?

I would need to see powerful evidence to the contrary for me to stop
the various supplements I'm taking, all of which are supported by
either clinical or anecdotal evidence (or both).

Terry

Paul,

Sorry, I was busy but I want to get back to your post below. Thank you for identifying theses the message numbers.

As I mentioned on a number of occasions taking antioxidant supplements can interfere with the Budwig Diet (naturally occurring antioxidants in food are ok).

In that regard I find Greg Watson's post (msg # 938) is very interesting. I had not seen it because it was posted just before I joined this list and I missed it. Later, when he brought this subject up again, I took him up on it as I recall. The study he cites says that flaxseed oil (FO) has an anti-cancer effect (slowing tumor growth) but less so when antioxidants are added. This supports Dr.Budwig's position that antioxidants counter the effect of her diet.

Their finding seems to be right but their reasoning as to why it works like that and why it is suppressed with antioxidants is not right - at least not according to Dr.Budwig. The researchers and Greg Watson conclude that the cancer cells are killed by a massive onslaught of free radicals from rancid FO, and since antioxidants keep the oil from getting rancid, they interferes with this process. Neither of these two conclusions are right. If that were so, we may as well consume rancid FO in the first place - and we know that to be wrong.

According to Dr.Budwig the reason for the anti-cancer activity is that FO (combined with quark or CC) promotes bio-oxygenation and that antioxidants interfere with that process.

Wilhelm